Northern View: Whole world 'laughing their tits off' at bang average battlers, Dupont the greatest No.9 in generations

By Mick Cleary / Expert

The Germans have a word for it – ‘schadenfreude’ – which to the rest of the sporting world roughly translates as ‘laughing your tits off when England get stuffed.’

Enough of the cheap jibes. England have no need of others to lay the humiliation card on them. They will be doing that themselves over the coming weeks and months never mind days: reproachful, self-critical and wholly mindful that they have shown themselves to be down among the also-rans of the global game only six months out from the Rugby World Cup. A bang average team, at best, and that’s on a good day.

And they will have to be at their very best, at their 2019 World Cup semi-final versus New Zealand best, if they are to stop Ireland marching to a Grand Slam in Dublin next Saturday. Ireland’s spirited 22-7 win over Scotland at Murrayfield means that a simple win (and given England’s wretchedness you can only imagine that it would be so at the Aviva albeit Ireland have a horrendous injury toll to contend with) will be enough to give them title, Slam, happiness and a monumental Guinness-induced hangover.

For the thousands of England fans currently hiding in a darkened room (many of whom had reached that sanctuary long before Ben O’Keeffe had blown his final whistle, the tip-tip of many stadium seats being a cruel soundtrack to the closing stages), there is one paltry straw to clutch. The last time the World Cup was held in France, England were crushed 36-0 by South Arica in a Friday night horror show at the Stade de France, seemingly bereft and without a prayer of progressing until, glory be, a few weeks later they came within a Mark Cueto disallowed try of beating the ‘Boks in the final having seen off the Wallabies and then the hosts, France, en route to that final. Ok, put that straw back in its box. Desperate times lead to odds-defying thoughts.

It would take an enormous leap of faith for even the most die-hard Red Rose supporter to envisage anything but defeat and possibly carnage at the Aviva with Grand Slams on the line and English noses to be rubbed in dirt. England were truly abject, devoid of idea or defensive shape, not so much on the back foot throughout (a minor rally early in the second half notwithstanding) as a distant spec in France’s rear-view mirror, bullied at the breakdown, mere bystanders so often as the action whizzed past them.

For those who love the modern fetish for data driven analysis I saw one such post-match spreadsheet which had England ‘ahead’ on virtually every metric bar that curious little one that detailed ‘England, one try, France, seven.’ Stats have their place I suppose – in the wastepaper bin? – but those of us of an older age prefer to judge by the eye, by the majesty and power and grace and intelligence and brutal beautifulness of the play shown across 80 enthralling minutes by those in blue.

From Le Crunch to Les Miserables for England, maybe, but rather than dwelling on England’s misfortune for too long – stop sniggering there at the back – it is only right that we should genuflect before the magnificence of this generation of French player. In showing the wit and boldness and clarity of thought and deed to dismantle England, les Bleus proved themselves to be every bit as commanding in the field as any of their illustrious predecessors, from the Jean-Pierre Rives class of the seventies through Serge Blanco and his buccaneering mates and onwards through to the back-to-back Slammers captained by one of this class of 2023, current manager, Raphael Ibanez.

Damian Penaud’s second try was a thing of classic simplicity, crisp handling, running at pace and from the right depth. I was once rebuked by the legend that is Philippe Sella for daring to mention the word ‘flair,’ in what was meant to a compliment of French play. Sella pointed out that it was nothing to do with so-called flair, it was a matter of rehearsal of running lines, of correct passing, of holding depth, ingrained from an early age. Right things at the right time in the right way. France played to that brief on Saturday.

You would not have picked one Englishman over his opposite number for a combined XV. There were towering performances to admire right across the park – from Cyril Baille in the no.1 shirt right the way through to the points accumulator at the rear, Thomas Ramos. Lock Thibaud Flament – two tries, magnifique. No.8 Gregory Alldritt – formidable. (Returning from injury) centre Jonathan Danty – colossus.

(Photo by Jean Catuffe/Getty Images)

And then there is Antoine Dupont who is without doubt the best scrum-half I have ever seen in the flesh. Gareth Edwards was the king of the no.9 shirt but Dupont is now right up there alongside him, ahead of greats such as Joost van der Westhuizen, Fourie du Preez, Nick Farr-Jones, George Gregan, Agustin Pichot and Dave Loveridge. Dupont tops the lot, for his technical prowess (check out his chip kick out of defence and then his inch-perfect slitherer to within a metre of the try-line), his energy, his awareness, his strength, his kicking, his – you get the picture. He’s got it all. And it is one obvious reason why his mere presence has put France right back alongside Ireland as favourites to claim the Webb Ellis trophy. And England? Forget it.

Ireland illustrated that they are the masters of dealing with adversity, coming through to win no matter what. The All Blacks used to have that quality. Ireland do too now. They lost three forwards within the opening 24 minutes, saw two hookers go off to leave flanker, Josh van der Flier, having to throw in at the lineouts and prop, Cian Healy, packing down in the middle of the front-row. Chaotic ? Yes. Ruinous ? No.

Ireland pulled away in the second half despite such monumental set-backs. There have a raft of players injured and only a six-day turnaround. No problem. St Patrick’s Day on Friday, England to be beaten on Saturday for the title. What more could you ask for?

Elsewhere, there was some relief for Wales who approached Rome in danger of doubling as ancient lions pitched into the Colosseum, served up for easy slaughter to general entertainment. Warren Gatland had acknowledged ‘splits in the camp’ over the pay dispute with the well-travelled, garlanded coach was having to deal with three successive defeats in the Six Nations for the first time in his career.

A first wooden spoon for Wales in 20 years, a tumble outside the top 10 in the world rankings? From such depths came the fight-back, a heartening return to a bit of form and long overdue. In his second incarnation, Gatland has had to sift through the mess and muddle of Welsh rugby to blend a new squad in time for the World Cup.

His master-stroke in Rome was to recall scrum-half Rhys Webb for his first start in six years, the one-time Toulon exile bringing much-needed energy and bounce in the bonus point 29-17 victory. The 34 year old was at the heart of everything, aided it has to be said by a throwback Italy performance, riddled with error and uncertainty.

Italy had spells of liveliness but they botched too many chances, missing the potency of the injured Ange Capuzzo. That they finished well does indicate that their early-championship form was no flash-in-the-pan. Even so, another wooden spoon beckons.

It’s been a terrific championship. A fitting finale awaits.

The Crowd Says:

2023-03-16T13:06:34+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Mick, maybe you could have saved Eddie from his England exit by pointing out he didn't need all the research and analysis guys, just a well-travelled journo alongside him, with an eye that can take everything in at one glance! Then he might still have a job in West London :laughing:

2023-03-16T13:03:01+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Lots in flux atm H. We'll see. Yes, it comes to something when England can't even reduce the game to a boring slug-fest, doesn't it? :stoked:

2023-03-16T10:08:14+00:00

Kane

Roar Guru


They had one big game in them, they were done when asked to play two in a row.

2023-03-16T09:39:12+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


Or their Oz coach thought beating the ABs was all they needed to do to win a WC. No team is ever going to out muscle SA which was Jones' plan which is why he lost. Wales took a different approach and did much better. We saw at the weekend what happens when England lose the physical battle they don't have much else.

2023-03-16T09:30:29+00:00

Highlander

Roar Guru


Gday Nick, where were you yesterday? That great English trait of getting into a ‘boring’ arm wrestle looks to have gone, for now at least.

2023-03-16T09:20:25+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Great point H, and a more interesting one than any made in the article itself! Since the EP abandoned relegation try scoring has gone through the roof. Teams are much more content to develop their styles of play throughout the season, and not 'contract' around defence and kicking if they are under threat to drop. So there is much more ball movement and the refs tend to clamp hard on defensive spoiling around the ruck. It will prob benefit English rugby in the long term but there are teething problems, for sure.

2023-03-14T23:55:39+00:00

francky

Roar Rookie


I think Dupont is not the best 9, but is the best of a combined 9-10-13, 3 in one. Last weekend problem for England was to ‘try’ to play a way they are not fit for (yet), ‘speed and fast ball’. Borstwick did talked about ‘French kicking game – that they are good at it for 3 years now’ before the game, and this was a good reason to bring Smith in the team (I believe he did what he has been told to do, but 3 years to catch up in few weeks is quite hard), it ends up with long kick having a slow front. England should have stick with what they are best at, slow ball, front row and eventually line-out in 22 and maul, the backs can then start from ‘not too far’, that was the recipe in their 2 previous winning game. With kicking too long most of the time, they just gave ammunition to faster French, make running the English squad for … making them tired. Worse, they kept doing it all game (except for the first 10 minutes in second half maybe), then they got tired chasing score. In Dublin, I hope (for them), they stick to what they are able to play. About Dupont, I watched few times, before his kick the 50:22 from left, you can see that BEFORE to get the ball, he looks, he knows where his team mates are (most are from Toulouse) also where English are, he spot on the gap and where he wants the ball to be. PS: I did not discovered yet, how to put a break when posting, sorry !

2023-03-14T15:12:50+00:00

Kane

Roar Guru


Argentina have a nasty habit of peaking at world cups. Let’s assume you’re right. England had two hard games in a row and even that proved too much for them.

2023-03-14T11:03:19+00:00

Kane

Roar Guru


Who's arguing that Faf and Dupont aren't good? I can't see anyone on this thread saying that, there are some that argue that they'd rather have AS in his prime than AD and vice versa, no qualms there. But no one is arguing Faf and Dupont aren't great? Can you also provide the list of TRC/3N player of the tournament? Would be great to see all the "greats" that never won one which then removes their claim for greatness.

2023-03-14T10:56:11+00:00

Kane

Roar Guru


I believe I said "many" NZ fans have considered AS the most important player for the ABs over the years. I stand by that, there are many fans, not just from NZ, that believe that. Not sure why saying Dupont is exceptional. You don’t have SA fans giving out about Faf. Um is this a question or a statement, it really doesn't read well?

2023-03-14T10:42:38+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


France won their first grand slam in over 10 years, they had struggled to come 3rd in most of those years until he came along. He has won’t T14 and Champions Cup. He can’t play the Lions but has been a key player in slaming November tests. Who has been better than him over the last 2 years in WR, maybe Sexton who has 10 years more experience.

2023-03-14T10:34:10+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


The French don’t see it as unstructured because they train to play like that from a young age. It’s the same with Fiji, it’s not the preplanned moves of the home nations but everyone I working hard to get where they need to be and are in the right place. They tried in the 2010s to be more like England and the players couldnt do it because its not the structure they are taught.

2023-03-14T10:28:52+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


You said they were going to have 5 hard games in a row. They didn't as Oz and Argentina were not hard games and had not been in any way in the WC cycle. France and NZ were the only ones so I don't buy the 5 hard games.

2023-03-14T10:23:13+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


I am saying he was world class but not generational. He was good at doing the basics of a nine but did not lead a team. Do you wonder why it's only some NZ fans feel that saying any other player is good means their AB is bad. SA fans understand Faf and Dupont can both be good or just because Dupont is really good that Faf doesn't stop being good.

2023-03-14T10:13:28+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


I guess you can always run to that as SH people seem quick to do, means very few people are likely to ever be great then. I didn't know that a squad of 30 players made one player better than anyone else.

2023-03-14T10:09:09+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


You said NZ fans said said he was the most important player over the years, I am saying he was not it was whoever was 10. In 2015, 2017 or 2019 I am not sure he was most important player. No one is saying he wasn't world class at the time just not generational. Not sure why saying Dupont is exceptional (he is the general of a team that has been one of the best team for the first time in 20 years). You don't have SA fans giving out about Faf.

2023-03-14T07:20:51+00:00

Kane

Roar Guru


I’m really not sure how that even an argument? Carter is one of if not the best 10 to play the game? You’re using that as an argument that Aaron Smith is neither World Class or one of the best in his position?

2023-03-14T07:12:35+00:00

Kane

Roar Guru


I’m not sure you read my comment? What did you think I was referring to when I said “they then didn’t have to play the other hard game in their pool due to the weather.” You can go back and read properly if it helps you understand? Yes you are right the only hard game they had before the finals was NZ and as it stood England only had one hard game in them. Couldn’t even do two on the trot.

2023-03-14T07:09:39+00:00

Kane

Roar Guru


So let me get this straight. You’re saying Aaron Smith is not or never has been world class or one of the best in his position?

2023-03-14T06:12:32+00:00

JD Kiwi

Roar Rookie


Which shows how much you know Brendan. A lot of people (wrongly) thought Carter was finished and a lot of people (correctly) thought and still think that Barrett doesn't do the basics at ten. Whereas Smith has been the undisputed 9 from day one.

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