REACTION: Thorn hailed for 'perfect storm' that blindsided everyone in one of the 'top two wins of his tenure'

By Tony Harper / Editor

When Brad Thorn posted his team to play the unbeaten, table-topping Chiefs midweek there were plenty who saw it, with the eight changes, as a kind of surrender, a white flag offered in face of a white hot host and a nod to 10 years of fruitless visits across the ditch.

After Thorn’s courageous team blew away the Reds 10 year New Zealand hoodoo with a defensive display of undeniable spirit and tenacity – lasting 27 phases and two penalty advantages to ice the game in the 84th minute – Thorn was hailed for a selection masterstroke.

“The Queensland Reds have gone in there on a mission,” said former Wallaby Justin Harrison on Stan Sport.

“Brad Thorn has galvanized that team. He’s picked a different looking team and that’s energised the whole squad.

“They’ve surprised us all. There is no doubt we thought that this was almost an impossible task. Everyone except the Red players. 

“This is a team now that’s galvanised around each other. It was a perfect storm to build a lot of animosity amongst the team – galvanise them together, bring them together when they’re under pressure. Tonight is an example of how a young team can come together.”

The obituaries of Thorn’s erratic reign in Reds land are already being prepared, but in his twilight days he produced what Morgan Turinui declared to be the second best result of his time in charge.

“Oh, a lot of people have been eulogising the Reds, myself included,” Turinui said. “What’s happening next year, who’s next coach going to be?

“This is in the top two most important wins in Brad Thorn’s tenure as a head coach. Congratulations to him. He won Super Rugby AU finals, this is right up there with that.

“This is huge – first time in 10 years, in New Zealand against the undefeated competition leaders. How good is that?”

The Reds last won the Super Rugby title in 2011 and Friday’s win put them sixth, ahead of the Waratahs who will go back ahead if they beat the Rebels on Saturday night. One win can’t wipe years of pain – but a first victory on Kiwi soil against a New Zealand team in 10 years must be celebrated. And not just by the Reds – all of Australian fans of Super Rugby will feel a frisson of hope. One hoodoo down – might that Bledisloe one be next?

“It’s been a hard fall for Reds fans,” said Turinui. “The Ewen McKenzie era was set up for longevity and they’ve just lost their way along the last few years. A win like that is something as a playing group they can grab onto.”

The players could barely believe it when referee Paul Williams blew the final whistle. Leaping and screaming like they’d won the whole darn thing.

“It’s unbelievable. We’ve had a pretty poor season so to come down here and and put on a show … I’m just just so proud of the boys,” said skipper Tate McDermott, who was immense. Eddie Jones will have been rejoicing at how tough the young scrum half was down the stretch.

“We said be brave but we were obviously massive underdogs, and coming off a poor result last week it means everything. It gives us new life.

“We’ve always just lacked the polish. It’s been a bloody Achilles heel for us. Tonight we put it away. The boys kicked really well and we defended like a pack of dogs. So yeah, man. I’m so proud.”

Thorn also used the word “proud”, but a more important one as well – if the Reds are to turn this from a one night stand into something more meaningful and long term

“Hopefully it means momentum,” Thorn offered. “We were very disappointed with the Waratahs game. I know they had players missing (Brad Weber and Sam Cane among them), we had players missing as well.”

He was asked what part of his experience had been helpful for his team, one that was missing key men.

“Probably just the experience of turning up for the fight,” Thorn said.

Liam Wright of the Reds celebrates with head coach Brad Thorn(Photo by Andy Jackson/Getty Images)

“Obviously you’ve got your game plan and you have to be clinical. We knew they’d be dangerous from minute one to the 80th minute.

“But it’s about loving the fight and something inside you when you’re in those sort of games.”

Fight was the theme picked up by Fraser McReight.

“Super super proud,” McReight said. “It’s something that we’ve been building for a few weeks now to see it finally come off when we probably needed it the most was really pleasing. To see all the boys as excited as they are – it means so much to the group.”

He was asked about the 10 years without a win. Had they discussed it in the week leading up? It seemed redundant, to be honest.

“I think everyone probably knows the situation that’s been happening for the past few years,”McReight said.

“We had nothing to lose. The Chiefs are undefeated so they had all the power and we didn’t really matter – people were going to write us off. It was just really good to see some Queensland fight.”

The Crowd Says:

2023-05-17T03:42:10+00:00

Honest Max

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You’re putting the credit/blame for test win/loss solely on the scrum half?

2023-05-17T03:41:14+00:00

Honest Max

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Phipps passed to empty spaces and people in the crowd. And his running wasn’t close to Tate’s.

2023-05-16T01:49:34+00:00

LuckyPhil

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:laughing:

2023-05-16T00:41:57+00:00

Rejack

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Wow!!!! all Jakey boy needs now is to step up at test level. Never has so far.

2023-05-16T00:40:36+00:00

Rejack

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Whites stats say he is not as good as you think he is, as the Wallabies have lost more tests than they have won with him.

2023-05-15T08:35:00+00:00

savant

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Geoff Parkes remarked in his article that the Reds stopped playing like a shamble of individuals and played as a team. Imho this is a good summation of how Thorn lost his way at the higher level after being very team oriented and successful at under age and NRC levels. At the SR level Thorn seemed swayed by the hero individual dominating moments over the workaday team players. This game was won by the latter and won by system over individual approach. It was a simple system - kick for territory and defend (like dogs). No hero moments required. This victory was achieved without two of Thorns favorite players known for their dominance in contact, their power and physicality. It’s hard to nominate any players over others in this performance because it was a team effort. But Campbell and Vest were important in this win. Neither is going to make the individual physical dominance highlight reel. For the last 3 years the Reds have played a McKay driven style where JOC was allowed to just be an individual and every one had to be able to react to that. Now with the shift of JOC to 12, his replacements haven’t got that license and we are seeing system. Lynagh in particular can play system well. At last a reds team playing a system. No heroes. That’s the real meaning of Queenslander.

2023-05-14T12:49:16+00:00

Muzzo

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Great wording, like ‘ here it’. Sadly you misunderstand grass roots, as that is where the basics, or a good grounding of them, starts! So with Thorn he learnt those basics before he left the shores of Aotearoa! Ffs got it! Now get a grip!

2023-05-14T12:25:27+00:00

LuckyPhil

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These stats are meaningless and do not show that Tate is better than the others.

2023-05-14T11:23:30+00:00

Busted Fullback

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For goodness sake Muzzo. We ALL got a grounding at grass roots. That didn’t make any of us the complete article. More could be said but I realise you probably don’t want to here it. Good night.

2023-05-14T11:05:49+00:00

Rejack

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White has started at 9 for 90% of tests since 2019 and the Wallabies have lost more than they have won.

2023-05-14T10:56:30+00:00

Muzzo

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Wrong again BF, as it’s a known fact he had a grounding in grass roots, with his father at the Taieri club, in Mosgiel, way before he & his whanau emigrated. Ffs it was his father that pushed for him to play for the AB’s. So that doesn’t say much for your evidence, or is it just Queensland evidence? Next thing you’ll possibly be telling us he was born here! Also one of his reasons for moving from the Saders to the Landers, was to be closer to his extended iwi, before he returned to Queensland

2023-05-14T08:19:08+00:00

Highlander

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Good example that

2023-05-14T07:02:43+00:00

Busted Fullback

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The truth is easy Muzzo. It’s the fantasy that everything Thorn has achieved stems from what happened before he immigrated. That’s the way it reads. And by the way, Maths and Science. I’m used to working with empirical evidence.

2023-05-14T06:47:56+00:00

Muzzo

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So BF were those coaches coaching him aged 9??? Ffs wtf did you teach, besides BS, or is it you can’t handle the truth?

2023-05-14T06:38:25+00:00

Muzzo

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Are you ok BF?? Where did I mention schooling? I’m referring to where he came from & where he was born! His early years before he & his whanau emigrated to Queensland! Honestly!!

2023-05-14T06:32:04+00:00

Busted Fullback

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Good game from Jock? Back at 15. Coincidence?

2023-05-14T06:30:32+00:00

Busted Fullback

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You’d like to think so J81, but I don’t want to put the mocha on anyone, especially Reds rugby.

2023-05-14T06:30:10+00:00

WEST

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Reds vs Blues at Suncorp will be interesting. Good opportunity to put the Blues away too.. Blues haven’t been consistent this year, hopefully the Reds haven’t seen the chiefs game as winning a final and pack up shop.. long way to go yet.

2023-05-14T06:26:50+00:00

Busted Fullback

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So who are the coaches he credits? Wayne Bennett and the men from Canterbury and the ABs. Now who of them were involved when he was 8 or 9?

2023-05-14T06:22:40+00:00

Busted Fullback

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Funny that Muzzo. He seemed to be quite the student, academic and sporting, when I was teaching at Aspley.

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