Reds' high tackle enquiry won’t change anything – but it will ensure TMOs are on notice for the Rugby World Cup

By Brett McKay / Expert

The Queensland Reds late last week made mention that they were seeking answers. And good luck to them.

Four times this Super Rugby Pacific season, they said, they had players miss games due to concussion or other injuries, caused by what they felt was high contact that they had referred to the SANZAAR Citing Commissioner. No further action was taken on any of them, they said.

James O’Connor missed the Blues loss on Friday night after being collected high in a ruck against the Chiefs in New Plymouth, leaving him with a shoulder complaint and concussion symptoms that triggered the mandatory 12-day stand-down period.

Before that, Tom Lynagh missed three games with concussion, after he was collected from behind after Queensland had conceded a try against Fijian Drua in Round 4, Filipo Daugunu was taken high in that same game in a tackle that went unpunished, and the Reds said they also referred an incident involving Harry Wilson in the loss to NSW a fortnight ago.

I can imagine 11 other coaches seeing this headline last week and smirking to themselves, “Ha, welcome to the club.” Because it’s hardly an issue isolated to the Reds.

A Moana Pasifika forward (and apologies here, I’ve rewatched this clip a dozen times and still can’t read the number to help me ID the player) was collected by as clear a direct shoulder to the head from Crusaders blindsider Sione Havili Talitui as they come back in Round 7, and the card remained untouched. Nary a citing, either.

Melbourne Rebels gun Carter Gordon was forced from the field for a HIA in Round 10, also against Moana Pasifika, in a hit that wasn’t picked up live and which left the Rebels far from impressed.

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And these are just a couple of examples that remain fresh in the mind; it’s certainly not an exhaustive list.

It’s also worth noting that while foul play can cause concussion and injury, not all concussions are caused by foul play. Just because a player has suffered a concussion injury, we can’t automatically assume foul play.

It’s easy for a team to say “we referred it up the line but nothing happened,” but the Citing Commissioner needs to be convinced any incident meets the red card threshold before they can refer it up to the Foul Play Review Committee.

The obvious conclusion in all these Reds’ cases is that the threshold wasn’t met.

It’s worth remembering, too, that the Citing Commissioner looks at all incidents in the referee’s report, plus anything they see themselves, plus whatever the teams involved refer as well. The Citing Commissioner can hand out Warnings (the artist formally known as an Off-Field Yellow) for incidents that get close, but essentially, anything else not meeting the red card threshold just isn’t announced and is considered dealt with.

It is, therefore, a touch disingenuous to suggest nothing further happened after the referral.

That all said, there certainly has been disconnect between on-field action and judicial outcome this season, just as has been the case in most seasons.

The Reds’ Sef Fa’agase was cited and suspended for three weeks in that Drua game for dangerous contact on Eroni Sau, an incident that wasn’t carded at the time.

Lachie Swinton was infamously rubbed out for seven weeks (less tackle school) for his undetected first-minute hit on the Western Force’s Jake Strachan in Round 8, and the Rebels’ Josh Kemeny was only last week suspended for three weeks as well, for a high shot on Brumbies centre Len Ikitau.

It works the other way too: within a week of each other at the start of the season, the Force’s Ollie Callan and Siosifa Amone, and Moana’s Mike McKee were all cleared of dangerous tackles when the FPRC ruled none met the red card threshold. Callan and Amone were even upgraded to red cards after TMO reviews in-game.

So with this in mind, it was interesting to hear Angus Gardner say recently that those occasions of complete judicial contradiction to on-field decisions have next to no effect on referees heading into their next game.

Speaking to Harry Jones and myself a fortnight ago on The Roar Rugby Podcast, Gardner was quick to explain why.

“We make our decision on the field and then step to one side, and not worry too much about what they do. They have their own processes,” he said.

“And I think the difficulty for us is, sure, you’d love if our decision matched their decision, and we’re all aligned but they get 38 camera angles and we might get two. They’ll get a day and a half to look through them, and as many replays as they want.

“It’s just not a realistic comparison unfortunately.”

But Sam Cordingley, Queensland’s head of rugby, said last week that they’d been granted an audience with World Rugby to express their concerns, and I’m sure the World Rugby reps in the room will make them feel like their concerns have been heard.

But make no mistake, there is zero chance of further action happening. For one thing, even if an enquiring phone call is made to the SANZAAR people, the response will be “We followed your guidelines on foul play to the letter.”

The only real outcome will be that high tackles and dangerous contact, and foul play in general, will be front of mind when World Rugby bring their squad of officials together heading into the World Cup later in the year.

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In fact, referees will deal with incidents the same way they always have, but the TMOs will be on notice.

And if the TMO referral method, or World Rugby’s pet project of some kind of bunker system are employed for the Cup, then the margins for error afforded to TMOs will be even smaller again.

The lessons of the 2019 RWC yellow card and swift retreat debacle will still be ringing in the World Rugby ears, and they will be wanting to avoid foul play controversies above all else.

Not even so much as Michael Hooper being coat-hangered late and off the ball will be tolerated, and just maybe, that will be the legacy of Queensland’s disappointment.

The Crowd Says:

2023-05-25T09:05:21+00:00

Wig

Roar Rookie


Too right jacko the 20 year excuse its like a release valve. Its the only reason I sometimes hook into the live scores if it wasn't so funny it would be hilarious :thumbup:

2023-05-24T20:37:54+00:00

Malotru

Roar Rookie


Had to be a marginal deliberate knock down at that ScottD.

2023-05-24T11:44:10+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


Thanks Brett. I think alot of yellows these days are team yellows so may explain why we don't see many suspensions happening. In Soccer we seem to hear alot more but then they are playing twice the number of games and its a few players on the team that picks up most of the cards.

2023-05-24T08:34:22+00:00

Phantom

Roar Rookie


The first crooked scrum feed gets pinged. The practice stops.

2023-05-24T00:17:39+00:00

ScottD

Roar Guru


I didn't see it mate so can't comment

2023-05-24T00:02:12+00:00

cs

Roar Guru


Funny boy ...

2023-05-23T23:40:55+00:00

Malotru

Roar Rookie


The Hooper 'knockon' ScottD?

2023-05-23T23:39:44+00:00

Malotru

Roar Rookie


If I'm going to hear more 'strongly' I might have to turn up the volume or get hearing aids cs.

2023-05-23T23:38:05+00:00

Malotru

Roar Rookie


All well and good Geoff, but it seems to me that most refs have their own standards as to what constitutes dangerous play. So far this year most refs would have seen that as direct contact to the head and issued a yellow card. The biggest problem is the inconsistency of calls and yes you are correct, not everyone will always agree, but much work could, and should, be done to get refs (and players) singing from the same hymn sheet.

AUTHOR

2023-05-23T23:28:50+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


"..rugby has always been a game where mistakes are made by the players and match officials and part of today’s problem is demanding perfection from the officials while accepting players continuing to make mistakes." Perfectly put, JC..

AUTHOR

2023-05-23T23:25:54+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


I reckon there's been one in the last few years Brendan, but I haven't got my records to be able to confirm who. But there have also been recent-ish cases where third yellows didn't result in a suspension after it was decided that one or more was a team infringement as mentioned above. There's at least one player this season with a third yellow (I can't remember who, from one of the NZ teams I think) And yes, judicial warnings (off-field yellows) are counted in these tallies. Addition: a quick tells me Sekope Kepu copped a week back in 2017 for a third yellow. That may or may not be the recent-ish example I'm thinking of..

2023-05-23T23:12:38+00:00

Bliksem

Roar Rookie


Although coaches are often part of the review process, they also have little confidence in the system as they often feel the need to speak out. My argument is that if referees want to call themselves professionals that they should also accept some accountability to the rugby public for their performance. There is no need for professional referee reviews to be so opaque, hidden, and there is a practical middle ground eg publishing a score out of 10 without having to publish the detailed reviews of an individual referee’s performance. At the moment the public see little accountability and have even less confidence in the review system. I have a different view at amateur level.

2023-05-23T21:26:59+00:00

Malotru

Roar Rookie


Yep 'the beatings will continue until morale improves' cs.

2023-05-23T19:38:03+00:00

Just Nuisance

Roar Rookie


The card happy referees are past . The panel is selected . They don't have to prove their worth anymore to WR . I would love to see the stats of those selected re cards issued to those who didn't make the cut .. Anyway....There are enough barriers in place already to protect player safety . Rugby however remains a contact sport ...Don't like it . Yes as Victor Matfield said .." we understand the risks" ..So if you dont like those risks , don't play it ! Nobody has a friggin gun to your head ....You want risk free ... Stay at home . Your car is a dangerous item ...

2023-05-23T15:19:04+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


who were the last people to be suspended from Super Rugby under that and do they take into account judicial reviews that are deemed yellows. It seem to me that the outcome of the judicial process is yes it was a red you are getting a band or sure don't worry it wasn't a red we will pretend it didn't happen.

AUTHOR

2023-05-23T12:58:07+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


It's not hard to argue it's real, because appointments change. Referees don't get finals, or top tier Tests, or RWCs. Ask Damon Murphy if it's not real, after he didn't even get a RWC AR job. Coaches know how the ref review process works, too. Coaches have quite probably already spoken to the ref's coach and/or the ref after a game. They know how the review process works..

2023-05-23T12:35:59+00:00

Bliksem

Roar Rookie


If it is not visible it is hard to argue that it is real. If even seasoned coaches feel the need to speak up at times, it also indicates that it is not only the fans that loss faith in an invisible behind the scenes process. To see a referee that made obvious and serious mistakes officiate the most critical game in the next round also doesn’t provide much confidence. I think at the referee rating (say out of 10) should be published every week (they will hate it) so that the public can at least know who are rated the best (and worst).

AUTHOR

2023-05-23T12:28:22+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


I'll just say the same thing I said to Bobby above, Bliks - just because you can't see something, you shouldn't they're not held to account through future appointments..

2023-05-23T12:24:33+00:00

Bliksem

Roar Rookie


The problem with a non public process is that referees appear to be unaccountable. Perception is often reality. I fail to see why a player can be criticised for a poor game while the referee appears to be above criticism.

2023-05-23T11:57:11+00:00

Geoff Parkes

Expert


Can see where you're coming from, Gus. He's had some really good games this season and, imo, is a much better ref - and more self-confident - than previously. But I still find him hard to warm to, and I know some of the players feel that way.

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