Round 16 Talking Points: Maroons deserve rare favouritism - but Blues can cause upset, unsung heroes step up for clubs

By Michael Hagan / Expert

It’s time for Queensland to finally admit they’re not the underdogs for Origin II with Latrell Mitchell joining Nathan Cleary and Api Koroisau in the NSW casualty ward.

I noticed the bookies’ odds swung from the Blues being the favourites to the underdogs when Mitchell pulled out during the week with his calf injury.

And even though it’s not the way the Maroons like it, they should be favourites judging on how they played in game one at Adelaide, the Blues’ injury problems and the fact that Wednesday’s second Origin is going to be at their “Field of Dreams” (Suncorp Stadium).

Queensland’s spine is more settled and Billy Slater is saying things like ‘we have only just got started and we can get better as a group’ so I think there’s a bit more upside in the way they can play.

The Blues made the Mitchell decision early to give Stephen Crichton the best chance to get ready to play and it looks like they probably had no option but to make that call. 

(Photo by Bradley Kanaris/Getty Images)

From my time in Queensland camps over the years, if you weren’t ready to do a full session on the Sunday before the game, then you weren’t worth the risk.

Monday is a day off and Tuesday is the captain’s run. It’s important that your preparation is spot on and with Cameron Murray and Liam Martin also having their own injury issues, it’s far from an ideal build-up for the Blues. 

I wasn’t surprised that Brad Fittler went with Mitchell Moses to replace Cleary at halfback. 

He was the best candidate given his kicking game is probably the best in the NRL apart from Cleary, in terms of field position and building pressure; and one of the game’s best goal kickers.

Damien Cook and Reece Robson will do a strong job replacing Koroisau’s 80 minutes at hooker, however Fittler splits that up.

For the Blues to win, Moses needs to bring his best kicking game to the arena and Cook and Robson need to muscle up with their ruck defence to stop QLD’s momentum in midfield.

They have to start the game better, particularly with their discipline both in hanging onto the ball and not giving away penalties. The ones that Hudson Young and Tevita Pangai jnr were responsible for in the first match are just coach-killers, especially at Origin. 

If that stuff happens again, they won’t be keeping the crowd quiet and they’ll probably be trailing at half-time and will have a massive mountain to climb.

It’s hard to put a measure on the crowd’s impact as far as points but the Maroons love nothing more than performing in front of their own fans.

The NSW back five has to be superior in bringing the ball back from kicks, including James Tedesco, who was below his best in their 26-18 loss in Origin I.

He’s a champion player. Tedesco and Fittler are the two blokes under the most pressure to get the job done to continue their careers in Origin. 

For the Maroons, I wouldn’t be surprised if Reuben Cotter is a late inclusion in the starting side again, this time at second row – he could play the full 80 again and switch from the edge to the middle when Jeremiah Nanai comes on.

Reuben Cotter. (Photo by Mark Kolbe/Getty Images)

Hunt on for Ben to stay at Dragons

Ben Hunt asking for a release at the Dragons is interesting. From my experience in dealing with contracts and trying to get players to agree to deals, the over-riding factor is economics and the strong relationship with the coach.

He accepted this two-year deal that was put to him last October on the understanding Anthony Griffin would be the coach. I can see both sides of the argument and the Dragons are well within their rights to refuse a request for a release by saying they have a binding agreement. 

Hunt’s going to be on less money than his previous deal with St George Illawarra and maybe he doesn’t think that reflects his continued standing in the game as an Origin and Test player even though he’s in the twilight of his career at 33.

And he’s probably not happy with how things have unfolded as far as Griffin getting sacked and the quality of the team he’s got around him. 

(Photo by Chris Hyde/Getty Images)

Stars step up with Origin reps out

There’s been a theme running through the Round 16 matches with key players stepping up with the Origin stars out. 

On Friday night, you could see the Cowboys looked a different team with Jason Taumalolo back after a couple of months out with his knee injury. 

He ran for more than 200 metres, got through plenty of defenders post contact and the rest of the pack fed off the momentum he created.

His last carry for over 25 metres and a quick play the ball was the catalyst for Scott Drinkwater to score on the great solo tries to win a game in Golden Point.

You could tell from the start that the match could have gone either way with all the rep players out on both sides and it took a moment of  Drinkwater brilliance in extra time to finally separate them. 

It was very helpful for the Cowboys that Tom Dearden wasn’t 18th man again for the Maroons because he was important for their cohesion and Jake Granville deserves a mention for getting through 53 tackles at 34 years of age with Robson in Origin camp. 

Dylan Edwards, who was named captain, was enormous for the Panthers and Jack Cogger continues to show he can be a more than handy replacement for Cleary while he’s rehabbing his hammy.

Joey Manu was the player who stepped up in the Roosters’ narrow win over the Knights.

Back in the No.1 jersey, that was his best game since he played so well for the Kiwis at fullback in last year’s World Cup – 300-plus metres and a constant threat to the Knights.

Newcastle didn’t make the most of their red-zone opportunities and that cost them in the end. Bradman Best lost one over the line, Daniel Saifiti got held up and Dane Gagai got pushed into touch. Kaylyn Ponga was outstanding in his effort and was the best player in a beaten side.

The Roosters were more resilient with their defence and even when Luke Keary went off with his broken jaw, their young halfback Sandon Smith filled his role nicely with Drew Hutchison, as he always does, slotting in seamlessly.

No prizes for guessing that Clint Gutherson was Parramatta’s player who took the mantle for the Eels with Moses away in Blues camp.

I know he’s been talked about as perhaps lacking a bit of X-factor but he’s been fantastic this season for Parra.

(Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

He was in everything for the Eels in their attack and with Reagan Campbell-Gillard leading the pack up front with Junior Paulo out, they rarely looked troubled.

Manly’s defence was on the brittle side of things. There’s an old rule in footy that the Sea Eagles need to be reminded of – tackle the player with the ball. 

There were some ordinary one on one misses on their goal line, including  Haumole Olakau’atu coming up with a failed attempt to strip the ball rather than using his massive frame to make a tackle.

For the Storm, it was Jahrome Hughes who took the bit between the teeth with no Cameron Munster. 

His decision making and execution was extraordinary. And he had a few willing accomplices in Nick Meaney and Reimis Smith around him, which led to Will Warbrick’s four tries.

There’s not much nice to say about their opponents, except that at long last, poor old Alex Twal finally scored a try after 116 games but apart from that, the Tigers look like they’re back in the doldrums.

And last of all, it was no real surprise to see Nicho Hynes showing his quality for Cronulla after NSW dropped him for Origin II.

He had a few early hiccups but his class prevailed for the Sharks against Canterbury in what was an important win for them after copping a hiding in Melbourne the week before. The Bulldogs were way off the pace again and could be in for a tough end to the season.

The Crowd Says:

2023-06-19T10:29:28+00:00


Don't know how NSW dropped Hynes, and QLD Storm players all agreed because they know his potential

2023-06-19T05:19:11+00:00

AJL.

Roar Pro


He won't, though. Unless NSW sack the coach after game 2.

2023-06-19T05:05:41+00:00

farkurnell

Roar Rookie


Interesting - maybe Hook and Hunts extensions were indirectly linked last year.Not wanting to lose Hunt they give Hook a new deal.

2023-06-19T04:56:27+00:00

Duncan Smith

Roar Guru


Well once NSW loses, Hynes should be in for game three.

2023-06-19T04:51:44+00:00

NQR

Roar Rookie


I think the Blues will be better in some ways to game 1. Robson is a very strong defender and could easily be used as a back row option. He and Cook will certainly be a better balance than Hyne who really isn’t an impact bench player. Moses is a quality 7 and I think his running and kicking is more dangerous than Cleary to be honest. I don’t know who does stats but I’m sure Taumalolo gets an extra 50% gifted to him? He had 175m on Sunday morning now it’s over 200? Seriously I watched him walking back and basically only getting behind the ruck by tackle 3 on multiple occasions. IMO Hess was looking to get on top of JFH. The use of the elbow has been a topic of conversation in recent weeks and people have savaged Tino about deliberately raising the elbow. I’m yet to hear anything about the elbow that caused facial fractures to young Luki? A certain poster said players were training to use their elbow’s to cause injury to which I described as fanciful. Now I’m wondering if they actually know something of truth to their comment? I don’t believe the elbow Luki received was entirely accidental when it happened or on replay. Griffin Neame and now Luki will miss a significant amount of the season to raised elbow injuries?

2023-06-19T03:40:32+00:00

KenW

Roar Rookie


That's what makes this all so weird and why many of us Dragons fans thought this was all smoke. He just signed a new contract, he already knew what money he was getting, he already knew he probably could have gotten more + back to Qld by going to the Dolphins, he already knew Griffin was likely leaving. Could it really be that he just dislikes Flanagan? That seems to be the only new piece.

2023-06-19T03:32:07+00:00

AJL.

Roar Pro


If the Eels and Sharks results the week before Origin teams were picked had been flipped, Moses would still be NSW halfback. Fittler wasn't picking Hynes unless he had no other choice. If Qld win this by less than 30 the integrity unit should be all over it...

2023-06-19T02:44:36+00:00

KenW

Roar Rookie


Could easily have been conversations about next year - replacement for Walker - which turned into 'we'll add 200k if you get here next week' when Keary went down.

2023-06-19T02:41:21+00:00

Panthers

Roar Rookie


Yes. I thought the Dragons could do a very good deal here. Why stop at one player in a swap deal? Skies the limit & choose the players you’d like at St.George .

2023-06-19T02:32:49+00:00

Dumbo

Roar Rookie


Mr Hagen's view: "Hunt’s going to be on less money than his previous deal with St George Illawarra and maybe he doesn’t think that reflects his continued standing in the game as an Origin and Test player even though he’s in the twilight of his career at 33." Well, if that's so, he shouldn't have signed the contract ! He should have had his manager get in touch with Wayne Bennett (who we all knew was going to be the coach of whichever of the Queensland teams became #17) and confirmed Wayne would be happy to hire him. Then he would have been the Fins' marquee player, he would have got more money and he would be back in Queensland. If he had had a few smarts he would also have tried to negotiate a release before this season started. That would have been less unpalatable to the coach and the board, because they would have time to recruit a replacement and an off-season to get the systems working with that replacement. If he had done that he could be playing for them now.

2023-06-19T02:28:49+00:00

DP Schaefer

Roar Rookie


Interesting, I thought I was the only one who could see the connection. I the chooks move on Suualii, Walker along with a couple of others with Lodge they can afford Hunt no worries.

2023-06-19T02:18:32+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


And that could be called the "Ben Hunt outbreak" ! I bet Billy is happy with Hunt's timing here !

2023-06-19T01:04:12+00:00

KenW

Roar Rookie


I read that too but that really cements the point. He asked for the clause because he knew Hook was on shaky ground, the Dragons refusal to include it would only have confirmed that they were, at best, uncertain whether they were offering Hook another contract. He did not accept this contract under the impression that Hook was locked in for 3 years.

2023-06-19T01:03:24+00:00

Panthers

Roar Rookie


Fair enough. I thought the suggestions were that he sought a release before, but then sought an immediate release later. Someone else said that they are one of the clubs that are looking to buy him. So if the Sombrero fits? :laughing:

2023-06-19T00:21:54+00:00

KenW

Roar Rookie


Plenty of rumours for a while, which probably means lots of informal conversations. But for him to send an immediate release request while in Origin camp is fairly extraordinary

2023-06-18T23:44:01+00:00

farkurnell

Roar Rookie


Boy this is gunna be awkward.He’s there Captain.It seems he’s had a long term plan to return to Qld.With Hooks demise – he’s taking advantage of that scenario.Potentially,if Dragons play hard ball , then $million player playing NSW cup.

2023-06-18T23:27:16+00:00

Andrew01

Roar Rookie


May be his slection had more to do with coming back from concussion against the Raiders and orchestrating comprehensive wins over Souths and the Cowboys in the two weeks before beating the Bulldogs?

2023-06-18T22:51:09+00:00

Emcie

Roar Guru


Apparently he tried to get a get out clause linked to griffin being coach as part of the extension negotiations which wasn't accepted, so it would have been pretty clear to all parties where his loyalty lay. Flanagan calling him before being announced to ensure he wouldn't leave gives the impression the club knew there were issues long before the last week or so

2023-06-18T22:42:58+00:00

Emcie

Roar Guru


Reports are that it's been going on for a while behind the scenes

2023-06-18T22:41:49+00:00

DP Schaefer

Roar Rookie


He requested that before Kleary broke his jaw. Mind you, Roosters are nuts if they don't go after him.

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