Are the 'Colliwobbles' back if the Magpies fall short this year?

By Chris Lewis / Roar Guru

Collingwood is Australia’s most supported football club of any code, a team that has won 15 VFL/AFL premierships since 1897 from its record 84 finals appearances.

But the Magpies’ success is complicated by its poor ratio of grand final results over the years, leading recent generations of rival fans to often refer to the ‘Colliwobbles’.

The ‘Colliwobbles’ were first coined by former Magpie great and commentator Lou Richards as a reference to the period between 1958 and 1990, when Collingwood lost six grand finals. Since 1955, Collingwood has won just 3 of its last 17 grand final appearances after 12 wins from 25 from 1901 to 1953.

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VFL/AFL data shows Collingwood has lost 27 of its 42 grand final appearances, a ratio far worse than other successful Victorian rivals: Essendon have 16 flags from 30 grand final appearances, Carlton 16 from 29, Richmond 13 from 25, Melbourne 13 from 18, Hawthorn 13 from 19 and Geelong 10 from 20.

But given we are in 2023, with Collingwood currently the short priced favourite ($2.75) to win the flag, sitting top of the ladder with just three losses with four home and away rounds to go, what about the teams who win the minor premiership and the grand final in the same year?

Collingwood’s historical record since 1897 is not good, with just 9 grand final victories after winning 19 minor premierships, but still similar to the other most successful Victorian clubs: Essendon 11 flags from 17; Carlton 11 from 17; Geelong 7 from 15; Richmond 5 from 9; and Hawthorn 5 from 9.

Only Melbourne has an incredible record of 9 grand final victories after winning 10 minor premierships.
But what of the AFL years since 1990 where the competition has become much more competitive due to the draft system, salary cap and a greater number of teams, a period where Collingwood has won two of its six grand final appearances?

Results since 1990 show that winning the minor premiership and the grand final in the same season is more difficult, with just 11 doubles from the past 33 seasons (33 per cent), compared to 54 times of the 92 seasons (around 59 per cent) from 1897 to 1989 (including 11 times between 1970 and 1989).

Since 1990, the minor premiership and grand final double has been achieved by Essendon (1993 and 2000), West Coast (1994 and 2006), Carlton (1995), Port (2004), Geelong (2007 and 2022), Collingwood (2010), Hawthorn (2013) and Melbourne (2021).

Those not winning the flag after winning the minor premiership are Essendon (1990, 1999, 2001); West Coast (1991), Geelong (1992, 2008 and 2019), Sydney (1996, 2014 and 2016), St Kilda (1997 and 2009), North Melbourne (1998), Port Adelaide (2002, 2003, 2020), Adelaide (2005 and 2017), Collingwood (2011), Hawthorn (2012), Fremantle (2015), and Richmond (2018).

Since 1999, 7 minor premiers have missed the grand final altogether: Essendon (1999), Port Adelaide (2002, 2003 and 2020); Adelaide (2005); Fremantle (2015); and Geelong (2018).

From 1897-1990, VFL minor premiers only missed making the grand final on just 8 occasions. An incredible home and away season does not guarantee success. In 2008, Geelong matched Essendon’s 2000 home and away feat of 21 wins and just one loss, but unlike Essendon they lost the grand final to Hawthorn who had won 17 home and away games.

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Quite simply, in the tough AFL competition that has existed since 1990, what matters is making the top four. Eleven grand final winners finished 2nd after the home and away season, 7 finished 3rd and 2 finished 4th.

Only Adelaide and Western Bulldogs won premierships when finishing 5th and 7th after the home and away season in 1998 and 2017.

So for Collingwood, who have already lost to other top four sides in Melbourne and Brisbane and in the last fortnight barely beat the 2nd placed Port Adelaide then lost to 7th place Carlton, their premiership prospects are hardly certain in line with events of the past 33 AFL seasons.

As in any other year, luck with injuries, peaking at the right times and rising to the occasion are all crucial factors that often explain premiership success.

One has only to remember 1975, when the minor premier Hawthorn beat North Melbourne three times prior to the grand final, including the semi-final two weeks earlier by 11 points, yet were pulverised by the Kangaroos by 55 points in the grand final.

Nevertheless, Collingwood’s top game has been the most exciting of all the clubs this year and their tremendous will to win stands them in a great position to go all the way.

If they don’t win the flag, it would be unfair to describe their late season demise as another example of the Colliwobbles, given that the AFL is a very tough competition to win and finishing top of the ladder has much less relevance these days.

The Crowd Says:

2023-08-20T04:00:31+00:00

Rowdy

Roar Rookie


Port Adelaide, East Fremantle, Norwood and West Perth ask "what is a Collingwood"?

2023-08-06T01:40:21+00:00

Irie

Roar Rookie


One can only hope! :laughing:

AUTHOR

2023-08-04T22:14:48+00:00

Chris Lewis

Roar Guru


Collingwood plays with a very exciting style, great to watch. Up to other teams to stop the hard running and flow when games played at speed.

2023-08-04T14:27:50+00:00

nostats

Roar Rookie


good well said article chris, collingwood on top which is all teams goal before start of season as in finish as high on ladder as possible too this point, your points about previous minor premiers also give good insight as to whats happened in the past,however i think a number of teams currently outside the top three could get momentum and go on an unlikely and almost unstoppable surge leading up too and through the finals such is the evenness and way teams get on a roll nowadays and eliminate some very fancied opponents. havnt been as confidant as most media during the year with their over the top pies flag to lose talk but it will be much sweeter to all non pies fans when/if pies dont succeed with this type of media hype, thats just the way of the afl world.pies best footy is great can it stand up to other finalists best? we have to wait and see. i would love a flag. did i think we would be in this position 2 and a half years ago ? no way . the club has done a lot too improve itself off the field and on field has been a revelation.i agree with your last paragraph but being a pies supporter icant say that can i, a very balanced article by you.

2023-08-03T13:18:20+00:00

Pope Paul VII

Roar Rookie


God Bless you Chris for mentioning the glorious 1975 GF. As to the old Colliwobbles, given their atrocious strike rate, perhaps they are due to fluke a GF win?

AUTHOR

2023-08-03T09:56:07+00:00

Chris Lewis

Roar Guru


Hope not. I am hoping for a Melbourne club final.

2023-08-03T09:46:22+00:00

Shane

Roar Rookie


Yes, the Colliwobbles are back. They could even go out in straight sets.

AUTHOR

2023-08-03T08:07:39+00:00

Chris Lewis

Roar Guru


Open fast game, Pies will be hard to beat. But they are not invincible.

2023-08-03T06:17:06+00:00

Macca

Roar Rookie


A lot of the media have already given the Pies the cup but the season is much more even than they are giving credit for. Almost all of the top 12 sides are capable of putting together a month of football that could win the whole thing. As long as the Pies are giving up 3/4 leadsmore than 50% of the time there will always be a question mark over the sustainability of their game style.

2023-08-03T05:44:24+00:00

Nick

Roar Rookie


Ask the editors to change the title.

AUTHOR

2023-08-02T22:14:31+00:00

Chris Lewis

Roar Guru


sadly, the changing of my title makes the first paragraph sound pretty silly in terms of not spelling out my argument that the Collywobbles should not apply to the 2023 team if they do not win the flag. If i had known, i would have spelt out my position in first paragraph.

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