A far from golden generation of forwards has left the All Blacks badly exposed

By JD Kiwi / Roar Rookie

Gimli the dwarf and Legolas the elf assess the prospects of their their army ahead of the climactic, existential battle in JRR Tolkien’s The Two Towers.

“Most have seen too many winters.”

“Or too few.”

As was so clinically exposed by South Africa at Twickenham, the All Black pack has a terrible age and experience profile. Most of their formerly world-class forwards – Sam Whitelock, Dane Coles, Brodie Retallick, Codie Taylor, Joe Moody and Sam Cane – are probably past their peak, as are Nepo Laulala and Ofa Tuʻungafasi.

Then there’s the inexperience of Samisoni Taukei’aho, Ethan de Groot, Dalton Papalii, and Luke Jacobson and the downright Test rugby infancy of Fletcher Newell, Tamaiti Williams, Josh Lord, Samipeni Finau and Tupou Vaa’i. Very few are in their prime – Ardie Savea, Tyrel Lomax, Barrett, Shannon Frizell.

New Zealand is suffering from a copper generation of forwards. The golden generation of Rennie and Anscombe – the 2008-11 world under-20 champion teams – produced some all-time greats.

The rising generation might become golden in time. But the age bracket that should be the backbone of any team simply doesn’t have the depth to power a World Cup-winning squad, while the wasting of caps on now discarded players has robbed others of experience and the team cohesion.

And with the best of the old stagers about to retire it’s going to be a tough next World Cup cycle for the youngsters- we shouldn’t expect too much of them.

The perfect storm

It’s also far too easy to go overboard in criticising the inexperienced players for their performance at Twickenham. They were caught in a perfect storm.

The margins are fine at this level and in this “phoney war” battle just before the main event the Spingboks needed it more. That won’t be the case in the semi-finals. The props missed Brodie’s ballast and the drop from Frizell and Retallick to Vaa’i (young and lightweight for a lock) and Jacobson (more an 8 at this level) in terms of physicality is huge, especially when Savea is small for an 8.

Tupou Vaa’i of New Zealand (Photo by Warren Little/Getty Images)

Then you have all that time with only seven or even six forwards against eight, unpowering the scrum, maul and gain line and reducing line out options.

And they can take solace from from some staunch defence and good territory stats in the circumstances.

What about the Boks?

The Springboks shouldn’t get carried away the other way. The Ireland and France packs have much better age profiles and the All Blacks will improve.

This is a pack that can dominate and that could well see them through to back to back titles. But it is mainly over 30 and can tire near the end of games. That was never likely against the undermanned underpowered Kiwis but it happened in the two previous All Black games, and the Irish did it to France this year.

Les Bleus can match them up front and Dupont and co. can destroy you.

The performance of Manie Libbok and the other inexperienced backs will have pleased Rassie Erasmus. He was superb from the tee and those long accurate touch-finders – could Pollard have done better? And what a range of pass! Of course the backs had an easy ride and World Cup knockout matches are different gravy.

The next seven weeks

The France match is just a fortnight away but the real thing is seven weeks away. The real work starts now.

New Zealand need to improve their patience and confidence in their attack to build phases and not throwing the 50/50 so often. They also need to improve their patience and confidence in their defence instead of feeding a ref who showed his hand early. They were like the Chiefs in the Super Rugby final and so different from Schmidt’s ultra disciplined, ref-savvy Ireland who often conceded just three or four penalties a game.

Their biggest need, though, is to get their best pack back on the field and keep them there through the knockouts. When Retallick, Barrett, Whitelock and Frizell are available that’s a formidable lock plus blindside plus reserve combination.

Without Brodie and Shannon the loosies were lightweight and props exposed. Goodness knows what to make of Papalii, who was excellent late last year but making no impact at the moment. Seven weeks to get him right.

Key to this will be fronting up against France and treating the Italian match as a vital, must-win dress rehearsal.

The non-selection of Finau and Moody is beginning to look even more unwise, but it would be a potentially damaging precedent to drop someone now. Of course if an outside back or prop is injured, or Emoni Narawa doesn’t recover…

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Schmidt, of course, will have learnt a lot from how the umbrella defence so easily dealt with his attack. He will already have cards up his sleeve and more will come in the next seven weeks. The All Blacks will need a clear, more direct plan in place in their heads next time.

One thing that will be tough to fix will be the two non specialist centres brought together late last season. The neglect of Ngani Laumape and injuries to Anton Lienert-Brown and Jack Goodhue has left New Zealand exposed there, as well. Can ALB rediscover his calm assurance?

The pack’s age and experience profile and lack of depth makes it difficult to make the All Blacks favourites for the World Cup. This match exposed serious fragility and that’s no recipe for pinnacle event success.

However, if there’s one thing this team have shown, it’s that they have the character to dig deep, learn lessons and thrive in adversity. There’s so much that needs to go right but they still have a chance.

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2023-08-30T07:36:39+00:00

JD Kiwi

Roar Rookie


Italy are capable of upsetting us but I wouldn't pay too much attention to that 2021 match. Probably only three of that fifteen will play next time and we've changed attacking system, attack coach and forwards coach since then. We do have a problem with TCUP which is a major concern but this is definitely a team that knows how to come back strong in adversity. We saw that in South Africa last year.

2023-08-29T23:14:59+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


We'll see. NZ have never lost a pool game so normally have no pressure after beating the #2 team. As unlikely as it is they could have a close game with Italy, if they lose to France the Italy game if a repeat of the last time they played could be very pressurised at half time and the fans will be cheering Italy. I think NZ are still mentally weak which a defeat to France won't help.

2023-08-29T19:22:36+00:00

Lazy Hedgehog

Roar Rookie


There is an important place for experience, and loyalty is all too rare these days. There is a BUT though... But... form/speed/attitude must count for something, surely.

AUTHOR

2023-08-29T19:11:32+00:00

JD Kiwi

Roar Rookie


Yes, but they've still managed to tire the last two times fifteen All Blacks have faced them!

AUTHOR

2023-08-29T19:04:53+00:00

JD Kiwi

Roar Rookie


Yes of course. :thumbup: :rugby:

2023-08-29T18:08:45+00:00

Ulrich

Roar Rookie


People forget that the Bok forwards actually play less sinve they are replaced shortly after half time.

2023-08-29T17:50:49+00:00

Ulrich

Roar Rookie


You mean Esterhuizen.

AUTHOR

2023-08-29T10:14:26+00:00

JD Kiwi

Roar Rookie


And to think that ST only got in the squad because Aumua was injured. He was so clearly test material. Sir Alex kept quite a few players into their mid or even late 30s, but generally in bit part roles.

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2023-08-29T10:09:55+00:00

JD Kiwi

Roar Rookie


Thanks as always Brendan for your well thought out input. Sam Cane is a great example of your first point, criticised by many because he's not McCaw. I wouldn't say that we need to bully teams, but we definitely need to work on not getting frustrated when the other team has control. Happened against England in 2019 too. A big job for Gilbert Enoka. The France match I just care about injuries and suspensions. We'll be a much more physical team in the quarters with Frizell and Brodie.

AUTHOR

2023-08-29T09:51:18+00:00

JD Kiwi

Roar Rookie


Schmidt and Farrell, two wily old foxes who know each other so well. Farrell with his unparalleled record against us as head or assistant coach. Both are bound to come up with something special for the big day. I'm hoping we can continue our habit of scoring tries in bunches before Ireland adjusts!

AUTHOR

2023-08-29T09:41:18+00:00

JD Kiwi

Roar Rookie


That's right Todd, the refs have a choice to make. They can do everything in their power to ensure a faster paced game or they will be responsible for a terrible advertisement for the game.

AUTHOR

2023-08-29T09:35:13+00:00

JD Kiwi

Roar Rookie


That's right Brendan, for once we weren't trying to speed the game up.

AUTHOR

2023-08-29T09:34:18+00:00

JD Kiwi

Roar Rookie


It was a bit of a perfect storm of South Africa managing to dictate the pace of play, a fussy ref taking ages to do everything and the undermanned kiwis not having the energy to play at their usual pace.

AUTHOR

2023-08-29T09:28:23+00:00

JD Kiwi

Roar Rookie


Piru, I'd call it an ingrained tactic to avoid running out of puff... of course not needed against the seven men at Twickenham.

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2023-08-29T09:24:50+00:00

JD Kiwi

Roar Rookie


They're pretty bad... especially that POM! Not as blatant as SA, more subtle.

2023-08-29T08:44:58+00:00

Lazy Hedgehog

Roar Rookie


Grrrr... Taukeiaho has been the standout hooker for the last two years and now we complain about his inexperience! Perhaps if we hadn't played the teachers pets into form in the test matches and had given the Taukeiaho and Tupou Vaii's of this world a bit of experience. We've picked old players and stayed loyal to them, and now we have very old and very loyal players. You reap what you sow. Sir Alex Ferguson is considered one of the greatest soccer/football managers over a very long period. He was absolutely ruthless in moving players on either at their peak or very shortly after, but he managed it in a way that brought him great loyalty. Ian Foster and Eddie Jones seem to have managed only one of those things each.

2023-08-29T06:47:21+00:00

Andrew

Roar Rookie


There were a few long injury breaks.

2023-08-29T01:31:53+00:00

mzilikazi

Roar Pro


I do ponder the Schmidt factor, JD. I think there is an edge there for the AB's. But to counter that, there are now a number of younger players that Schmidt won't know at all, bar when they were still schoolboys. The Farrell coaching team are building a good track record being able to work out answers quickly, and to peak for specific games. So in this case for the quarters onwards. Uni. fees. Indeed a big factor now. We were lucky in my day to go through free, even had a small cash grant to help us with living expenses.

2023-08-28T23:52:57+00:00

Todd

Roar Rookie


OK here is a fact. The game lasted 107 minutes with ball in play for 33 so time was wasted somewhere. My point was more about the reffing than any particular teams. But that to me becomes unwatchable live - 74 minutes of nothing. I think this is going to work for me in the tournament though - instead of getting up at 4.00 am like I did to watch the game, I'll just watch the edited version in the morning and save myself an hour and a quarter

2023-08-28T23:48:56+00:00

Todd

Roar Rookie


I'd say the Irish are the worst

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