RA 'committed' to Eddie despite 'bitterly disappointing' RWC campaign, in talks with NZR over northern threat

By Christy Doran / Editor

Rugby Australia will conduct a review into their World Cup flop, but chief executive Phil Waugh says the governing body is “committed” to under-siege Wallabies coach Eddie Jones and believes the national team’s shortcomings are a result of years of systemic issues plaguing the sport.

“I think [we’ve been] pretty forthright around the fact that we’re committed to Eddie and he probably looks at the campaign and is bitterly disappointed about his performance and the Wallabies’ performance,” Waugh told reporters on Monday morning.

“I think this is not so much around chopping and changing coaches as it is around actually just fixing the system. It’s pretty evident when we lose a couple of players, the depth of the player that we’re bringing through is not necessarily up to it.

“And you’re not going to win World Cups or win international games if you don’t have that depth and system supporting the national team.”

Save for a Fijian capitulation against Portugal next weekend in Toulouse, the Wallabies will be eliminated in the pool stage of a World Cup for the first time in the 10 editions to date.

The failure to control their destiny came after consecutive Pool C defeats, as they lost to Fiji 22-15 – their first defeat to the Pacific nation in 69 years – before being humbled 40-6 by Wales a week later in Lyon.

A 34-14 bonus point win over Portugal on Sunday kept the Wallabies’ hopes of progressing out of the World Cup pool stages, but should Fiji get at least a losing bonus point against the European nation next Sunday they will leapfrog ahead of them and secure their quarter-final qualification.

“[The campaign’s] been bitterly disappointing,” Waugh said.

“We came here with a lot of hope and optimism and we sit here now, everything is out of our hands and we’ve got to pray that Portugal gets up against Fiji next week. [I’m] very disappointed with the journey to where we are today and we’ve got a lot of work to do.”

Rugby Australia CEO Phil Waugh speaks to the media on October 02, 2023 in Saint-Etienne. (Photo by Chris Hyde/Getty Images)

While Waugh didn’t want to nitpick Jones’ World Cup selection, saying “hindsight is a wonderful thing”, he said he didn’t subscribe to building a team during a World Cup for the next campaign.

“I think you come to a World Cup looking to win, you don’t go looking to win the 2027 World Cup when you’re going to the 2023 World Cup,” Waugh said.

“A lot of people spent a lot of money to come over here and support the Wallabies and they came here hoping to win the World Cup, and that was certainly our expectation or our commitment.

“I’d much prefer to talk about the disappointment of not performing to where we’d like rather than the excuses that we’re building for 2027 because I just don’t think that washes and that’s good enough.”

Add the circus surrounding Jones’ future, and the Wallabies have made it easy to become Australian sport’s punching bag.

Waugh, who spent an entire day with the Wallabies last week, once again reiterated that he had been assured by Jones that there was nothing in the reports linking him to a bombshell return to the Japan Rugby Football Union less than one season into a five-year deal.

While the Wallabies’ failures have come to a head throughout this World Cup campaign, Waugh pointed to the national team’s decline since making the 2003 final as proof their struggles went beyond Jones’ side.

The former Wallabies captain, who played under Jones at the 2003 World Cup, is the latest Rugby Australia boss to highlight the game’s struggles.

But what can be done?

Wallabies coach Eddie Jones (2nd left) with his assistants during their win over Portugal at Stade Geoffroy-Guichard on October 01, 2023 in Saint-Etienne. (Photo by Laurence Griffiths/Getty Images)

Waugh once again referred to RA’s desire to undergo a “strategic reset” and become more aligned, pointing to their August announcement that the five Australian Super Rugby franchises had agreed in principle to work closer together.

Since then, however, the ACT Brumbies have expressed reservations about moving towards a centralised system while others, including the Queensland Reds, are also concerned about RA being the chief decision makers regarding high performance and commercial decisions.

Waugh acknowledged that RA – formerly the Australian Rugby Union – had not helped themselves in building trust, but said it was vital the game came together to help get back on track and move in the same direction.

“If you look at this campaign, we haven’t built a lot of trust across the system, so as you go to a central function, where more influence comes through Rugby Australia, it’s really important to build that trust and credibility and I think over a period of time that’s declined, so it’s really important for us to work with our stakeholders,” Waugh said.

The Wallabies form a huddle following their World Cup win over Portugal at Stade Geoffroy-Guichard on October 01, 2023 in Saint-Etienne. (Photo by Chris Hyde/Getty Images)

Waugh said this year’s World Cup failure was an example of not doing what the governing body had said it would.

“What we haven’t over time is delivered on what we said we were going to deliver and so whilst we have this great vision, it’s really important to build trust with our stakeholders and our member unions to believe that we can deliver on the vision because I do think we’ve got a really strong vision on that alignment across the system,” he said.

Whether RA can eventually usher its alignment piece of the puzzle across the line, which likely represents moving to a centralised model, threatens to make or break the current administration.

Waugh also said RA remained “committed” to five Super Rugby franchises.

Already several Super Rugby franchises are on the brink of financial collapse, with the Waratahs on the cusp of being taken over by Rugby Australia.

Waugh admitted that some Super Rugby franchises might rally in behind RA’s bid to move towards a centralised model quicker than others.

“I don’t think you’re going to have everybody all at the same time,” he said.

“It’s about building the credibility and the trust.

“Initially it might be two or three per Rugby clubs and then, as we go forward, hopefully others come in.

“It’s as much about off-field performances as it is on-field. We certainly feel that if we can be more efficient with how we go to market on some of the commercial aspects, then it’s not just an on-field benefit, we’ll get an off-field benefit as well.

“I genuinely believe it’s actually building trust and credibility – something we haven’t necessarily instilled across the system for a long period of time.”

The Wallabies’ World Cup campaign blew up following defeat to Wales at Parc Olympique on September 24, 2023 in Lyon. (Photo by Craig Mercer/MB Media/Getty Images)

Meanwhile, Waugh will meet New Zealand Rugby counterpart Mark Robinson, as well as the new Super Rugby chairman Kevin Malloy, on Monday afternoon as the trans-Tasman partners consider the rise of the Six Nations and how they can help each other.

“One piece is the focus around Super Rugby and where Super Rugby is going and I’m catching up with Mark Robinson this afternoon,” Waugh said.

“I think actually how we align and work together with New Zealand to ensure that the southern hemisphere remains dominant – and you think he has been nine World Cups and the southern hemisphere has won eight of them – unfortunately, I was in the one we didn’t.

“It’s really important for us to work really closely with New Zealand in particular, but I also think the growth of the Pacific Islands and also Argentina, and then the close relationship with South Africa.

“There has been a shift, certainly in club rugby, up into the north. Often people talk about the north catching up to the south, but when it comes down to crunch, historically, New Zealand, and South Africa have done particularly well and we’ve had the potential to do well we just haven’t nailed it.

“I don’t want to get too radical on law variations in the Australia and New Zealand market. But how do we actually create a game that is more appealing to our spectators? And I think that’s part of the commission and the purpose of the commission.”

The Crowd Says:

2023-10-15T03:21:52+00:00

Jibba Jabba

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Because TT and Skeleton are not as tough as Slamming Sammy Kerr

2023-10-09T08:00:59+00:00

Baz

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Maybe you are a half baked RA Biscuit man.

2023-10-09T06:03:14+00:00

Baz

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Brumbies have been the most successful Australia Super Rugby franchise. I think you may have over looked that fact or is that deliberately omitted because it does not support your argument. They have won 2 super rugby finals and figured in 4 others.

2023-10-09T04:38:47+00:00

Biscuit man

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The Brumbies are so small in the context of Australian rugby. Lowest in the provision of locally bred players to the total Australian player pool, the lowest number of registered rugby players in a state/territory and the smallest fanbase in Australian rugby. If they do cut a team, I think it will be the Brumbies that will be shutting up shop at the Super Rugby level at least. The numbers don't stack up in an expanded model that includes Victoria and Western Australia. Let's face it. If the admin would have had the guts to cut the Brumbies a few years ago rather than the Western Force, we would have had a better outcome at this World Cup.

2023-10-05T10:27:44+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

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Pivac style at Scarlets was built off have Bernie and Barcaley in the team who who very good at the breakdown in attack and defense and very quick to get to breakdowns. Once they were gone the plan feel apart. The loss to Italy in 22 was done to Wales running the ball and Italy isolating the runners. Pivac refused change his style so the breakdown was a disaster and for v 20-30m they ran they just got kicked back up the field. Like Oz the Welsh URC teams are bottom dwellers so just didn't have the players to play his game. I am sure Nz and Oz could play his game but the breakdown will still be an issue.

2023-10-05T10:09:43+00:00

Guest

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I would argue the Finn Russell comparison is moot because he wasn't selected in the initial squad, regardless of availability, it would be like saying victories over the Wallabies at the moment should have an asterisk because we haven't picked Quade Cooper. Bare in mind we also had Will Skelton playing in La Rochelle and Marika Koroibete playing for his Japanese team, I understand they made themselves unavailable as you put it but I really don't see how that makes a difference? The bottom line is both teams had a number of first choice players missing, arguing it doesn't matter the Wallabies won because of XYZ not playing is just conjecture. I was intrigued to see where Pivac's wide-playing Scarlets style would take Wales, I worry for them they've gone back to the safety net of "Warrenball" which is working at the moment but are the WRU just delaying the inevitable changeover period? It's different to our knee-jerk reaction of getting rid of a coach who was yet to hit his peak because a more experienced option suddenly became available (by being sacked for terrible results).

2023-10-05T07:35:20+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

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Gats teams have always been slow starters in competitions and get better and better as it goes on. Expect the defense to continue to improve.

2023-10-05T07:33:40+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

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Do you think Scotland are as good without Finn, Hogg and other starting players that would have played but were not able to as it was outside the window. The Japan based players is different as the game was in the window but the players made themselves unavailable. So the two situations are different as the Finn and others were playing for their club the same week that Oz played their country. Because SRP is so short most games don't effect OZ and NZ selection but in NH it does. Wales have 12/33 players who are based outside of Wales, and 5/15 and 7/23 are OS based in the WC game. Did you also take on board the issues with Pivac that I also raised, if Pivac had still been coach it would have been a big scoring game like the one in November.

2023-10-05T03:16:06+00:00

Baz

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:crying:

2023-10-05T03:15:24+00:00

Baz

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yeah but aren't we already doing all these things :crying:

2023-10-04T11:18:42+00:00

Gkl

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How about the following strategies: Kick the ball back to the other team at every opportunity. we box kick instead of passing when we are on attack Avoid contesting the ruck, maul and scrum Throw the ball to the opposition in the line out :laughing:

2023-10-04T10:48:04+00:00

Guest

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Brendan, I mean no offence here but I won't cop the "window" excuse you seem to keep rolling out for Scotland and Wales losing last year, if you think the Wallaby team that faced Scotland and, even less so, Wales was full-strength then I have a bridge to sell you. Plus, Scotland & Wales seemed quite happy with their wins in 2021 when our Japanese-based players were yanked at the last minute then all turn round when the shoe is on the other foot and say "but... but... the window?!"

2023-10-04T09:36:52+00:00

jeznez

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The side has been giving up 28 points a match since Gatland's takeover and excluding the Portugal and Australia results. I agree defence is what Gats has traditionally built the Wales game on, not a lot of evidence that it's improved the way you say it has during his return. I'll repeat, I think Wales have improved since Gats took back over, however I'm dead certain that Australia have been getting worse under Eddie.

2023-10-04T09:28:07+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

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Union will never be league so no matter how free flowing you make it it will not be league. The game that is appealing is the gladiatorial nature of Union and the fighting and brute strength. Oz doesn't have another sport like Union but it has AFL and League who both want to be big people running around with a few hits in a game that can go into highlights packages. Its why Union is growing around the World because only NFL fills that space and by contrast Rugby is the 100m sprint compared to the NRL Marathon. Attendances are going up everywhere else because fans are being sold Union. It falling in OZ and NZ because it sold as "we are sorry its not league"

2023-10-04T09:22:20+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

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We saw how Gats did with the Chiefs. His game plan worked with Wasps, and Wales and was good with Ireland and Connacht. But at the Chiefs he didn't have the players who could play his game because they are great with ball in hand but not at the foundations of defense which is what Gats is built on. There is nothing wrong with Eddie's game plan it is that NH and Oz/NZ teams defend differently and one defends to stop tries and the other is use to defending to rob the ball and counter so those not near the ball are set to counter. Lowe is a prime example of how long it takes a SR player to learn to defend to the same level as NH players. Its why Eddie complained about his was not his job to train players basic skills when he was on the Roar.

2023-10-04T09:06:26+00:00

Gkl

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So who is responsible for the Wallabies RWC campaign results? Apparently Nobody is responsible. The fault lies with the dysfunctional Australian rugby system. This RWC result for the Wallabies has been in development for a long time and has relied upon astute player selection and support from the elite of the elite coaching group who are experts in their own right. :laughing:

2023-10-04T09:00:19+00:00

fiwiboy7042

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Remind me again, Baz, why WR should change rugby's rule simply because of Australia's needs?

2023-10-04T08:25:30+00:00

Jacko

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Yep. Waggawagga.

2023-10-04T07:55:47+00:00

GrahamVF

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She was born in Australia - Aussies are usually quick to claim other famous exports as their own :stoked:

2023-10-04T07:36:38+00:00

Jacko

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Ive seen plenty. My son was 15 when he made his Brisbane premier mens debut and he is 5'8" but he marked a guy that was 6'6" and it just looked comical. Watc a bit of premier league or Europe championship. Id say at the top local league at the time my son played ( 10 years now ) there was probably 15-20 guys over 6'5" thru the 10 teams The average height of a professional soccer player is 5'11" but of course every team has a goallie and they average around 6'3"

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