Are selectors endangering Australia's future by putting Dave Warner’s personal aspirations ahead of team legacy?

By Gharner / Roar Rookie

World Test Championship, Ashes retention and World Cup all in a matter of months – it means, all is well with Australian cricket, right?

Andrew McDonald and the selection panel should be commended for many of their calls over the past few years, however, one pick continues to grate, and it may have repercussions for Australia’s long-term future; let alone its immediate WTC defence, which is already vulnerable thanks to over rate breaches.

The persistent selection of David Warner defies all logic, especially now that his recent home form resembles his patchy away record.

Whether you want to believe in a conspiracy theory relating to his 12-month suspension or there is something less sinister at play, it is becoming harder to fathom that the selectors are still backing him in as a game-changer when he has made just one first-class century in almost four years.

What do these cricketing luminaries have in common: Jack Ryder, Don Bradman, Neil Harvey, Ray Lindwall, Alan Davidson, Greg Chappell, Bob Simpson, Allan Border, David Boon, Rod Marsh, Mark Waugh, Justin Langer?

At any given time after World War II until the appointment of McDonald as coach, at least one of them was a selector or coach of the national side.

Compare the current group of McDonald, George Bailey and Tony Dodemaide, and you will find a total of 19 Test matches between them. Daniel Vettori is around the squad as an assistant, but he is not the one deciding people’s fates.

As a collective, do they have the courage to tell a veteran of more than five times their combined experience that his time is up? Bailey certainly did not when it came to ending close friend Tim Paine’s career, excusing himself from the decision after the former captain was involved in a scandal.

The refusal to leave Warner out has already created issues for more than just the team. In India earlier this year, Travis Head was omitted due to queries on his ability against quality spin, a decision that was contradictory at the time and aged like warm milk.

By the time Warner had limped out of the series, Matt Renshaw was chewed up and spat out in a non-preferred middle-order posting, and now sees his battered figures used against him when potential replacements are being discussed.

Of the other contenders, Marcus Harris lost out on significant playing time at all levels idling in the reserve chair, while Cameron Bancroft’s run-soaked 18 months in the Sheffield Shield have so far counted for naught.

It is now almost certain that Warner’s successor will get just two opportunities versus West Indies before a more challenging assignment in New Zealand.

This summer’s opponents are shaping up to be among the weakest to tour our shores; what better time to ease a player into the national setup?

Bailey remarked this week that the best XI would be selected to secure WTC points and not devalue the product. By choosing this approach in matches that will almost certainly be won anyway, the can is being kicked down the road in the name of a farewell series that could and should have taken place last season.

There are strong precedents for giving new players time in less competitive matches, as well as denying a last goodbye.

In early 2000, Matthew Hayden replaced Greg Blewett in a dead rubber in New Zealand and was then afforded a full five-match series against a lowly West Indies, returning a paltry 275 runs at 27.50 with just two half-centuries.

Australia won all six matches, and Hayden retained his place for the subsequent India tour, where he transformed into one of the greats of the game.

Four months before Hayden’s recall, Ian Healy rightly was not granted a single farewell game in front of his home crowd, despite keeping well in the previous summer and making 134 in the corresponding fixture one year prior.

Had his wish been granted, the cricket world would have been denied Adam Gilchrist’s barnstorming entry to the Test arena.

I expect Warner to go out on a high against an opponent in Pakistan who he has domineered at home (845 runs at 140.83), but he is hardly alone in that respect; Labuschagne (173.5), Handscomb (114.66), Smith (80.16), Renshaw (67.75), Khawaja (66.75) and Burns (50.5) have all beaten up on the tourists across their last two trips.

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To succeed would be to simply meet expectations, while failure would put one final stain on a brilliant, albeit controversial career.

Either way, the future is jeopardised. To what end, apart from his own?

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2023-12-14T22:54:36+00:00

Gharner

Roar Rookie


"I expect Warner to go out on a high against an opponent in Pakistan who he has domineered at home". You've completely missed the point.

2023-12-14T12:03:45+00:00

NSWelshman

Roar Rookie


164……but he’s not good enough Lolol .

AUTHOR

2023-12-13T23:21:50+00:00

Gharner

Roar Rookie


Feel free to debate the subject; that's what the site is about. Failure to do so tells me I'm on the right track. Perhaps your handle has something to do with that?

2023-12-12T11:11:32+00:00

NSWelshman

Roar Rookie


Again yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzz

AUTHOR

2023-12-12T02:55:45+00:00

Gharner

Roar Rookie


What's changed since my less harsh critique 4 years ago? https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/11/23/the-trouble-with-warner/

AUTHOR

2023-12-12T02:53:25+00:00

Gharner

Roar Rookie


The article takes aim at the selectors; no mention of there being anything wrong with nominating a retirement date, which I confirmed in the last comment. Haven't seen evidence of boorish behaviour? Did you miss his umpire carry-on during and after the SL WC match? And when it's not him, there's someone in his inner circle actively potting his potential replacements. Re: making runs not justifying selection, there's two questions you need to ask yourself. Will his inclusion make a difference between winning and losing, and will it stunt the next man in's development? Obviously I'm answering no and yes. Finally, the attitude that the aspirants don't have the test records to justify inclusion means a raft of legends never would have become legends, including one mentioned in the article. In Renshaw's case, his record has not been helped by harsh omissions, parachute jobs and playing out of position. He's now made 4 tons on the trot vs touring/A teams.

2023-12-10T20:56:15+00:00

Pumping Dougie

Roar Guru


Come to think of it, 50 partnerships are enough against England. :laughing:

2023-12-09T23:08:45+00:00

Panthers

Roar Rookie


Well … I’ve watched Australia play in England on several tours. For the most part, Australian’s would be praying for a 50 opening stand. :laughing:

2023-12-09T22:23:39+00:00

NSWelshman

Roar Rookie


Here we go.....another Warner bashing article by an "expert"..........yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!

2023-12-07T11:33:19+00:00

ColinT

Roar Rookie


I agree with Big Gordon, your article is unfair. For a start, Warner has merely stated that IF he is selected, he would like to retire after the Sydney test. There is nothing wrong with that. “Acting as boorishly as ever” ?? I haven’t seen any evidence of that. That is just more of the mean spirited Warner pile-on we have seen so often from Roar commentators. Then there is your nonsense that even if he scores lots of runs in this test series it won’t justify his selection. I’m glad you are not a selector. The fact is, he keeps getting selected because there has been no one else breaking down the door to get selected. None of the three aspirants have compelling test averages that demand selection.

2023-12-07T10:09:17+00:00

Blink

Roar Rookie


It's hard to believe the drivel that Warners critics dish up. Obviously zilch cricket knowledge but study stats to their hearts content. Society losers. Life happens in the present.

AUTHOR

2023-12-06T11:27:27+00:00

Gharner

Roar Rookie


Refer to my response to Big Gordon re: him not picking himself.

AUTHOR

2023-12-06T11:24:45+00:00

Gharner

Roar Rookie


Again, the replacement won't get a Shield game before being picked. You're not wrong about the opposition; as I noted, all our batters lap it up vs Pakistan. It's more about getting more settled in the national setup.

2023-12-06T08:13:31+00:00

bowledover

Roar Rookie


Many people (including myself) have been calling for Warner's removal for a while now from the test opener position, his form in red ball cricket has not warranted him keeping his position (white ball is a different thing).... but as others have pointed out, he doesn't pick himself, the selectors do and they keep picking him so you can blame him necessarily... I don't see why they do personally, and I'd really have preferred we brought in a new opener a whole while back and give them plenty of Australian based tests to settle in.... but that isn't the case. Many will argue he should quit himself, and others will say he has a right to continue to play if he is picked, I don't know if there is a right answer there, the thing with Warner is he has tremendous self belief so he probably believes he can and is still delivering in some fashion.

2023-12-06T06:19:09+00:00

Pumping Dougie

Roar Guru


I completely agree with you. Have you noticed Warner argues now that partnerships of 50+ are a measure of success and therefore he is our best option. Since when is being part of 50+ partnerships a success mark for the Australian test side?

2023-12-06T06:17:17+00:00

Pumping Dougie

Roar Guru


I’d argue the selectors already endangered our past, having failed to groom a replacement for Warner last Summer against weak opposition prior to the Ashes. Warner has averaged in the 20’s in the last 3 years, despite hitting 200 against a weak team in Australia. We might have won The Ashes in England (not just retained them) had the selectors replaced Warner last Summer and we might have also beaten India in India if they had selected Travis Head in the first Test. The selectors deserve credit for their World Cup squad selections (especially backing Head in), but deserve criticism for their Test side selections.

2023-12-05T13:17:08+00:00

carnivean

Roar Rookie


You aren't the first to note that the editors gave them a jazzed up title. The players waiting for him to retire would, in your description, be better served playing good cricket in the shield instead. Runs against a weak Pakistan aren't a good preparation.

AUTHOR

2023-12-05T10:44:26+00:00

Gharner

Roar Rookie


“I appreciate the sentiments behind the piece, but suggest this is the wrong time to be posing this question.” This question has been posed regularly since early last summer at home, and for at least 5 years away. This is my first article in two years so I haven’t written about dropping him at home (I certainly have on social media and others’ articles), but I did question his automatic away selection in 2019. Should never have toured India and England, so retiring at Sydney last year would have been perfect. “I’d also suggest Warner has not placed his personal aspirations above the team. He did not pick himself, selectors did, so blaming him for being in the XI is very unfair.” While I didn’t like him nominating a retirement date so far out, the headline is misleading. My proposed headline referred to his own legacy. The selectors do what they do, and I will almost always support a selected player even if I don’t agree with him being there. But this is a player at the end of his career, acting as boorishly now as ever. By playing on through India and England, he cemented his status as an overseas flop, and now will be blocking a younger player’s entry. No amount of runs this summer can make up for that in my eyes. “I also fail to see how the Test team’s future is joepardised if he plays 3 more games. I must have way more faith in his replacements than others.” I’m glad you have confidence in his eventual replacement to step in. You may well be right. I don’t see how he deserves 3 more games though. As mentioned, he had the chance to go last year, and he didn’t. His last few years are similar to Ponting’s (long struggle, isolated late peak, struggle again). Ponting had the misfortune of playing a strong South Africa in his final series, but he was eventually wise enough to know it was time to go, declining a home farewell test and giving his replacement 3 games to prepare for India. I can’t recall anyone stretching it out like Warner is, save for maybe Steve Waugh, but he was captain, had a much shorter lean trot, a more formidable last opponent, and was coming off 4 tons in 8 innings leading into his final home summer.

AUTHOR

2023-12-05T10:13:25+00:00

Gharner

Roar Rookie


You can thank the editors for that. My proposed headline was not a question, and referred to Warner’s personal aspirations trumping his own legacy. We haven't lost a test against Pakistan in 28 years, and they are bringing out their worst bowling attack in that time. We're winning these games with or without Warner, so why wouldn't you get more games into the next player to give yourself a better chance down the road? It's not like that player can just play Shield while he waits, because that's off until February.

2023-12-05T02:34:30+00:00

BigGordon

Roar Rookie


I appreciate the sentiments behind the piece, but suggest this is the wrong time to be posing this question. If Warner was going to be replaced, that should have happened a couple of years ago but injury (Puckovski) and dead ordinary form (Harris, Renshaw & Bancroft) prevented that. Now we're at a point where it makes little difference if Warner plays his final three Tests or not because genuine replacements are now waiting in the wings. I'd also suggest Warner has not placed his personal aspirations above the team. He did not pick himself, selectors did, so blaming him for being in the XI is very unfair. I also fail to see how the Test team's future is joepardised if he plays 3 more games. I must have way more faith in his replacements than others.

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