Pat Cummins isn't Dennis Lillee's fast-bowling equal - he's actually much better

By Insight Edge / Roar Rookie

Ian Chappell recently wrote that Pat Cummins reminds him so much of his old team mate Dennis Lillee, in the way that Cummins is determined to get batters out.

There are many great attributes to Chappell as a cricket analyst, but he couldn’t be more wrong on this one – Cummins is the far superior fast bowler.

Chappell was describing the dismissal of Pakistan’s Babar Azam by Cummins as something similar to how Lillee had ‘willed’ to bowl out Alan Knott at the Oval in 1972. However, Chappell is way off the mark if he thinks that makes Lille as great a bowler as Cummins.

The comparison fails at the first hurdle though, because Knott was a wicketkeeper/batter at number 7, not one of the great batters of his day like Azam is now.

Pat Cummins after retaining the Ashes. (Photo by Ryan Pierse/Getty Images)

Lillee didn’t enter Test cricket as a teenager like Cummins and then spend five years on the injury list (although he did spend two years out).

While both have similar records in taking roughly five wickets per Test at similar averages, Lillee played in the era of ‘home’ umpires rather than neutral umpires and DRS as has Cummins.

We all know the tales of umpiring in Australia from English players and others (Sunil Gavaskar, Imran Khan etc.), including photographic evidence showing run outs not given.

Chappell introduced sledging and it wasn’t restricted just to the opposition, Umpires, too, felt his wrath. Chappell’s Australia was a powerful machine and no doubt got the “benefit of the doubt” on many occasions. The ‘nick’ off the pads, the brush of the thigh pad down the leg side, the bouncer off the forearm all given out. One wonders how many such dodgy wickets Lillee bagged.

Cummins is playing in the area of neutral umpires and DRS and multiple cameras. His wickets are genuine, without doubt.

Lillee only took six wickets outside Australia ,England and New Zealand. He got injured in the West Indies in 1972/73 without taking a wicket in the first test and took three wickets in Pakistan and Sri Lanka each in four Tests. Sri Lanka would have been playing one of their first tests. Lillee liked ‘home comfort’ of green bowler friendly pitches and a pint or two in the evening.

Dennis Lillee is regarded as one of Australia’s greatest ever cricketers. (Photo by S&G/PA Images via Getty Images)

You cannot claim greatness unless you have done the hard yards and shown success in all conditions. Here Cummins is way ahead, having been successful in Asian conditions with 31 wickets in 11 Tests against India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. This figure is comparable to the true greatest fast bowler of all time, Malcom Marshall.

By his own account Lillee was a nasty man too. Fiery in temperament who bet against his own team to lose a test, was openly hostile to his captain Kim Hughes and appeared to assault Pakistan’s Javed Miandad, not to mention the aluminium bat throwing incident. What umpire would want to be on the wrong side of such a man? Doubtless there are many more incidents that Chappell is privy to.

Cummins appears to be a model of integrity, clean living and polite, interested in human rights and the environment. Above all, Cummins is also captain of Australia and has moulded a team of what appeared to be ordinary first class players into world beaters.

It was Chappell himself who said that the sign of a good captain is how he manages an ordinary team. Anyone would be a winning captain if they had Ricky Ponting, the Waugh brothers, Adam Gilchrist, Shane Warne and Glenn McGrath.

But it’s very different with Mitch Marsh, Travis Head and Alex Carey. Cummins has done exactly that, WINNING the ODI World Cup and World Test championship in the same year, as well as retaining the Ashes away under great pressure from England (well really, Ben Stokes) and keeping his cool with hostile English crowds and press.

It might be sacrilege to say that Cummins is Australia’s greatest ever fast bowler, but it’s necessary and well deserved, even if he stops after the Sydney Test.

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2024-01-11T10:52:01+00:00

Insight Edge

Roar Rookie


To all the hatters who said i didn't reply well, I'm waiting for your replies now to the research and articles uploaded yesterday about Aussie umprires and Australians from the 1970's

AUTHOR

2024-01-10T16:26:20+00:00

Insight Edge

Roar Rookie


I'm not the only one.... https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1181098/the-ugly-australian--the-evolution-of-a-cricket-species

AUTHOR

2024-01-10T16:24:42+00:00

Insight Edge

Roar Rookie


Please read this from 1993 https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1181098/the-ugly-australian--the-evolution-of-a-cricket-species

AUTHOR

2024-01-10T16:22:40+00:00

Insight Edge

Roar Rookie


One for the expert https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1181098/the-ugly-australian--the-evolution-of-a-cricket-species

AUTHOR

2024-01-10T16:21:42+00:00

Insight Edge

Roar Rookie


Here's some more stuff about "blokes" https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1181098/the-ugly-australian--the-evolution-of-a-cricket-species

AUTHOR

2024-01-10T16:20:53+00:00

Insight Edge

Roar Rookie


Sorry one more, the complete works! https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1181098/the-ugly-australian--the-evolution-of-a-cricket-species

AUTHOR

2024-01-10T16:04:22+00:00

Insight Edge

Roar Rookie


Another one from horrid WI whingers https://www.britishpathe.com/asset/203924/

AUTHOR

2024-01-10T11:44:55+00:00

Insight Edge

Roar Rookie


Here's another anyway! My writing wasn't meant to be about umpires but as you've choosen to make it. https://theconversation.com/its-just-not-cricket-only-two-neutral-umpires-can-eliminate-bias-in-favour-of-home-team-35780

AUTHOR

2024-01-10T11:10:51+00:00

Insight Edge

Roar Rookie


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2021/11/30/ray-illingworth-interview-faced-biased-aussie-umpires-spent/ Here's another whinging pomm on the great Australian umpires during DK's time Let me know when you have read this and I'll post another one

AUTHOR

2024-01-10T11:05:54+00:00

Insight Edge

Roar Rookie


Yes , sanction the protestor rather than listen to what he's complaining about and correct that!

AUTHOR

2024-01-10T11:05:08+00:00

Insight Edge

Roar Rookie


"Honest mistake" Indians aren't allowed to make "honest mistakes"..........that is the point matey!

2024-01-10T00:48:11+00:00

All day Roseville all day

Roar Guru


How does this support your assertion that Cummins is "a far superior bowler" to Lillee ? An article on 1 dismissal, by an Indian journalist, for an Indian readership, about an Indian icon ? Gavaskar engaged in clear dissent, by his own admission. If he had done it in the West Indies or India, it might have precipitated a riot. If he did it in 2024, he would be penalised by the ICC. And Gavaskar is hardly a paragon of virtue. Just read his comments on spectators in 1975/76 in the West Indies.

2024-01-09T23:58:19+00:00

ChubbyMcLardFat

Roar Rookie


You’ve managed to find one example where Gavaskar thought he wasn’t out. – you don’t have any other examples – you don’t know that Gavaskar is right – if Gavaskar is right, you don’t know whether it was a biased decision, or (much more likely) an honest mistake. I think you’re 100% wrong. I think the Australian umpires of the time did their job with integrity, and the benefit of the doubt went to the batsman. Still not going to bother reading the rest of your submission.

AUTHOR

2024-01-09T13:18:35+00:00

Insight Edge

Roar Rookie


To anyone in doubt about Australian umpires and the benefit of the doubt going to the batters please read this, oh and the ones saying there was no sledging! https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/sunil-gavaskar-1981-australia-test-walk-out-reason-7129074/

AUTHOR

2024-01-09T10:15:54+00:00

Insight Edge

Roar Rookie


Wrong on all assumption. See above that "Cummins doesn't put the fear into batters" that Lillee did. If an all-time greatest Australia was playing an all-time greatest India in Dubai or India would Lillee be in the team? No way whereas Cummins is the first name down as captain.

AUTHOR

2024-01-09T10:12:21+00:00

Insight Edge

Roar Rookie


What you mean he was your favourite bowler! I don't have a problem with that. I raised the numbers of Voges when i wrote about Pollock last year. Check it out

2024-01-09T07:12:51+00:00

All day Roseville all day

Roar Guru


It's unanimous then. Everyone agrees that both Lillee and Cummins are among Australia's 5-6 greatest-ever fast bowlers. No-one who actually saw Lillee bowl in the 1970s, believes that Cummins is "the far superior fast bowler."

2024-01-09T04:38:01+00:00

Curmudgeon1961

Roar Rookie


"good bloke who put his country first"....? I can only assume you are younger and never saw Lillee bowl? He left nothing out on the field and didnt hold back. One of our current paceman and an all rounder both well within themselves to protect themselves. Players who loved playing for Australia got paid very poorly from the ACB backed up by likes of little Don even despite their significant revenue. I havent posted an article here to publish so fair play. Genuinely wish you better with your next one

2024-01-08T23:25:59+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Insight Edge, Stats are interesting, but by no means definitive or comprehensive. If you want a name example why – Adam Voges. Although statistically the 2nd best average after Bradman, Voges’ name would not figure in the first four or five all-time batting lineups. So Voges is an aberration, an exception, a caution not to take stats literally. Lillee moved me in ways Cummins never has. Anyway, they’re both damned good, but in my eyes Lillee will always be #1.

2024-01-08T23:21:42+00:00

ChubbyMcLardFat

Roar Rookie


"Chappell’s Australia was a powerful machine and no doubt got the “benefit of the doubt” on many occasions. The ‘nick’ off the pads, the brush of the thigh pad down the leg side, the bouncer off the forearm all given out. One wonders how many such dodgy wickets Lillee bagged." Unsubstantiated garbage. You've got no proof whatsoever to support such tripe. Matter of fact, the mantra of the time was "benefit of the doubt goes to the batsman". I didn't bother reading any further.

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