Very good point about they/them. Maybe even less.
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I was remonstrating with my course coordinator at uni in the late 90s. A female lecturer, as is her right, interjected in the conversation. She pulled me up for saying “this lady did the wrong thing” saying l should’ve said “this woman …. thing”. The provocateur in me couldn’t help but say “this b!+ch did the wrong thing”.
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You should’ve seen her turn her applecart into advocaat!
I have come to the conclusion why the GOAT is struggling in the Shield final. Baxter Holt hasn’t learned to utter the robotic “Noyce Gary” after every ball. Lovely to see NSW being ground into the dirt & the Shield returning to its rightful place. Queensland. Beautiful one day. Shield holders the next. The reward for arrogance is failure. Back to your bowling marks, “Test Attack” & deliver some more innocuous fodder for the batsmen to feast on & remember it’s a gentlemen’s (or should it be “gentlepersons” ) game & behave accordingly . Queensland to win. EASILY!
Communicating in punctuation marks alone, the future of language!
It was just a reply about the irony of Bernie describing the lack of gendered third person pronouns as an evolution, but then demanding we all use one as a suffix to an otherwise gender neutral noun.
I thought it was a bit petty to reply to them twice to highlight their own inconsistency, so I deleted it.
Jokes aside, I do reckon we're 40-50 years away from only using they/them in place of he/him and she/her. Awareness of intersex and non-binary gendered people is growing and we'll eventually not presume the gender of the person we're talking to or about. While men will likely always choose he/him, when talking in general terms I think they/them will eventually become the norm.
I know a lot about language, especially my own. I'm a native English speaksman you know.
You said it yourself. Language evolves. That's cos it's subjective.
And that means it don't matter what we say today cos it'll look and sound a whole lot differently in a couple generations or two.
You have absolutely no idea about language. By this reckoning there should be no distinction in pronouns between he and she, him and her, his and hers … and in at least one language there is not, Indonesian, where my wife comes from, where ‘dia’ or the more formal ‘ia’ are gender neutral, and are used, since many centuries for either males or females. There are other more complex examples, such as German and French that have three forms of ‘the’ as well as a/an, and assign gender for each and every noun …
Until the English language evolves to the point where we too, like Indonesian, do not distinguish between male and female for third person pronouns, stop being so pretentious and leave cricket alone … or at least the ‘men’s form of the game.
:laughing: :laughing:
Fortunately for the rest of us language is subjective so we can go with consistency and use, fielder, bowler, keeper and batter. If we choose
:cricket:
I have no problem either if women cricketers want their own rewording of the Laws of Cricket to suit their own game altering such terminology - that is their affair and their game. They can even change some laws if they like for all I care for their game. But, for 'men's cricket' it remains 'batsman'.
I have said elsewhere that I could not care less what terminology women choose to use in their own cricket. But they are not demanding such political correctness from the original men's game, so it makes no sense whatsoever to suck up to people who have no wish to be sucked up to.
Easy now, Lyon is a good bowlsman. He just needs a better wicketkeepsman to take his catches. And if his teammates were better fieldsmen he probably wouldn't be feeling so much pressure.
But yeah, the term batter makes no sense.
Shows how much Lyon is struggling that even he too is now using this obnoxious terminology 'batter'. In reality, Labu is one of the best batsmen in the world and here he batters Lyon around like a fish.
Well how about the "GOAT" worry about pitching the ball up a smidge more and threatening the stumps....that was over the top by a mile, and it's kinda embarrassing (desperate) that he's appealling so forcefully for that.
If I was umpiring that I'd suggest "Going over by a mile; no get on with it".
Tom
Jeez you're awfully triggered by the Is aren't you Bernie? Thought it was only the PC brigade that acted like snowflakes...
Micko
Roar Rookie
I would've loved to see that! :laughing:
Rowdy
Roar Rookie
Very good point about they/them. Maybe even less. —– I was remonstrating with my course coordinator at uni in the late 90s. A female lecturer, as is her right, interjected in the conversation. She pulled me up for saying “this lady did the wrong thing” saying l should’ve said “this woman …. thing”. The provocateur in me couldn’t help but say “this b!+ch did the wrong thing”. —– You should’ve seen her turn her applecart into advocaat!
JOHN ALLAN
Guest
I have come to the conclusion why the GOAT is struggling in the Shield final. Baxter Holt hasn’t learned to utter the robotic “Noyce Gary” after every ball. Lovely to see NSW being ground into the dirt & the Shield returning to its rightful place. Queensland. Beautiful one day. Shield holders the next. The reward for arrogance is failure. Back to your bowling marks, “Test Attack” & deliver some more innocuous fodder for the batsmen to feast on & remember it’s a gentlemen’s (or should it be “gentlepersons” ) game & behave accordingly . Queensland to win. EASILY!
BennO
Roar Rookie
Communicating in punctuation marks alone, the future of language! It was just a reply about the irony of Bernie describing the lack of gendered third person pronouns as an evolution, but then demanding we all use one as a suffix to an otherwise gender neutral noun. I thought it was a bit petty to reply to them twice to highlight their own inconsistency, so I deleted it. Jokes aside, I do reckon we're 40-50 years away from only using they/them in place of he/him and she/her. Awareness of intersex and non-binary gendered people is growing and we'll eventually not presume the gender of the person we're talking to or about. While men will likely always choose he/him, when talking in general terms I think they/them will eventually become the norm.
Micko
Roar Rookie
Just a full stop? :silly:
Rowdy
Roar Rookie
Me and Shakespeare have something in common. We're respectively, for our times, both at the cutting edge of English.
BennO
Roar Rookie
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Lawrence
Roar Rookie
Lyons been quite embarrassing this game with his showmanship, it’s a Shield Final. Be friends when the game is over.
BennO
Roar Rookie
I know a lot about language, especially my own. I'm a native English speaksman you know. You said it yourself. Language evolves. That's cos it's subjective. And that means it don't matter what we say today cos it'll look and sound a whole lot differently in a couple generations or two.
Once Upon a Time on the Roar
Roar Guru
You have absolutely no idea about language. By this reckoning there should be no distinction in pronouns between he and she, him and her, his and hers … and in at least one language there is not, Indonesian, where my wife comes from, where ‘dia’ or the more formal ‘ia’ are gender neutral, and are used, since many centuries for either males or females. There are other more complex examples, such as German and French that have three forms of ‘the’ as well as a/an, and assign gender for each and every noun … Until the English language evolves to the point where we too, like Indonesian, do not distinguish between male and female for third person pronouns, stop being so pretentious and leave cricket alone … or at least the ‘men’s form of the game.
BennO
Roar Rookie
:laughing: :laughing: Fortunately for the rest of us language is subjective so we can go with consistency and use, fielder, bowler, keeper and batter. If we choose :cricket:
Once Upon a Time on the Roar
Roar Guru
I have no problem either if women cricketers want their own rewording of the Laws of Cricket to suit their own game altering such terminology - that is their affair and their game. They can even change some laws if they like for all I care for their game. But, for 'men's cricket' it remains 'batsman'.
Once Upon a Time on the Roar
Roar Guru
I have said elsewhere that I could not care less what terminology women choose to use in their own cricket. But they are not demanding such political correctness from the original men's game, so it makes no sense whatsoever to suck up to people who have no wish to be sucked up to.
BennO
Roar Rookie
Is Meg Lanning a good batswoman? And is Alyssa Healy a good wicketkeepswoman? Megan Schutt a good bowlswoman?
Once Upon a Time on the Roar
Roar Guru
I know Lyon is a fine bowler - I am a fan. With Fieldsman or fielder, either is acceptable.
BennO
Roar Rookie
Easy now, Lyon is a good bowlsman. He just needs a better wicketkeepsman to take his catches. And if his teammates were better fieldsmen he probably wouldn't be feeling so much pressure. But yeah, the term batter makes no sense.
Once Upon a Time on the Roar
Roar Guru
Shows how much Lyon is struggling that even he too is now using this obnoxious terminology 'batter'. In reality, Labu is one of the best batsmen in the world and here he batters Lyon around like a fish.
Tom
How'd that next ball go Gaz? Belted through point for your team mate to fetch from the fence, that's how.
Munro Mike
Roar Rookie
Well how about the "GOAT" worry about pitching the ball up a smidge more and threatening the stumps....that was over the top by a mile, and it's kinda embarrassing (desperate) that he's appealling so forcefully for that. If I was umpiring that I'd suggest "Going over by a mile; no get on with it".