AFL, NRL shutdown threat a media beat-up

By Chuq / Roar Pro

Jarryd Hanye in action during the Week 3 Playoff NRL match between the Bulldogs and the Parramatta Eels at ANZ Stadium in Sydney, Friday, Sept. 25, 2009. AAP Image/Action Photographics, Grant Trouville

There has been considerable discussion on news stories, forums and blogs about the apparent “threat” to domestic codes of our World cup bid. The reality of the situation is very different.

“FIFA is forcing the AFL/NRL to shut down for eight weeks” is not an accurate statement at all.

First, FIFA are not forcing the World Cup on Australia – Australia is bidding for it. We are inviting them to allow us to host it.

Second, the “stop playing” bit isn’t accurate – there are two separate rules that come into play here:

1) Stadiums used by the World Cup must be solely available to the Cup for the duration of, and for the 4 weeks prior to, the event.

There are many reasons for this – issues with advertising and signage for example. The stadiums will not be known by the sponsored names, but by names such as “Brisbane World Cup stadium”, “Melbourne World Cup stadium” and so on.

Signage must be adjusted to suit, e.g. remove all the Etihad Stadium (or whatever it is called in a decade!) signs. The venues may be used for official pre-cup functions or publicity events. The grounds must be curated to appropriate quality for football (different sports have different “ideal” turf heights).

The AFL/NRL turf markings must be removed completely. Security audits must be carried out, and so on.

The other codes can still continue during this time at grounds that will not be used.

In the AFL’s case, this would include the ‘Gabba, SCG, Football Park, Kardinia Park, and whichever Western Sydney venue is used. They could also utilise part-time grounds such as York Park, Manuka Oval and Marrara Stadium.

Similarly, the NRL will have venues such as Wollongong Stadium, Central Coast Stadium, suburban Sydney grounds, Swan St Stadium, Robina Stadium and Ballymore Stadium at their disposal, as well as venues in New Zealand.

2) No other major sports can be run at the same time as the Cup in any of the host cities.

This is mainly for logistical reasons. Accommodation, transport, security and so on will be extremely busy (that’s an understatement!) during the Cup. It also makes it easier for media coverage, obviously everything but the Cup will be battling for a spot on the news.

If England wins one of the bids, they will need to reschedule both the Ashes and Wimbledon. Neither the English Cricket Board nor the All-England Lawn Tennis Club are howling in protest at this.

The kicker?

It hasn’t even been clarified as to whether the AFL and NRL are classified as “major sporting events”, so they may not even come under this rule!

However, I believe it would be to the AFL and NRL’s benefit to slow their competitions during that time, due to the limited number of venues we have in Australia – most of them play host to many sports. There are only so many matches that can be played in Wollongong, Launceston or Geelong in a weekend, and it would be ratings suicide to put games up against World Cup matches.

One example of a suitable arrangement would be two split rounds for the 4 weeks preceding (for a 20 team AFL competition, this would mean 5 matches a weekend), followed by a single round for the five weekends of the WC itself (yes, five – the Cup starts on a Friday, lasts for 31 days, then ends up a Sunday) – so using the same example, 2 AFL matches per weekend.

It appears many in the mainstream media are either uneducated about how it works, or are just keen to try to agitate fans of all codes whenever they see the opportunity.

I guess it sells newspapers!

The Crowd Says:

2009-11-01T08:58:30+00:00

Compensation = $1 billion +

Guest


When you say the Leagues should subsidise games being played in rural settings - surely you're no talking of the AFL/NRL are you? Surely you mean the FFA? Given they are the ones benefiting and they are also the ones demanding these alterations? Can you clarify. What many seem to forget is that it is not a one-off disruption the FFA are demanding - it is a two-year disruption. There is a little World Cup warm-up thing called the Confederations Cup. That would likely involve shunting the AFL/NRL off the MCG & ANZ Stadium for 4 weeks (& possibly Suncorp Stadium as well) in either 2017 or 2021. Surprised no one has picked up on this!

2009-11-01T03:58:54+00:00

Pippinu

Roar Guru


The AFL will happily do that - as long as they are generously compensated for losing both the MCG and the Dome for one third of the footy season.

2009-11-01T03:33:01+00:00

Crazy Dave

Guest


What a perfect opportunity to take the NRL and AFL to the rural crowds... The Leagues should provide subsidies to any of the teams unable to use their home grounds during this period and help them to take their home games to other stadiums that wouldn't otherwise get a game.... Mackay, Rockhampton, Mt Isa, Darwin (unless the World Cup goes there), Alice Springs, Geraldton, Broome. Places out in the bush that play these games, would love to host a game or three during this 8 week stretch... Can you imagine the financial boost it would give those towns, as well as the obvious benefits of having the top players mingling in their towns and communities... Might even see a regular pilgramage happening... some of the clubs might start to do it themselves... go bush for a home game or two every season...

2009-10-30T05:51:52+00:00

Michael C

Roar Guru


likewise Docklands often has had soccer, RL and AFL on the same weekend. But, FIFA want pristine pitches not dug up by heathen codes, and want permanent and exclusive signage etc, so, that inbetween events the venues are 'FIFA WC venues' at ALL times, as, a lot of tourists will be flocking around - presumably......and FIFA assume that people can't separate in their minds the sponsors of the FIFA event as distinct to the sponsors of someone elses event......you can understand that, but, that they not just seek it but demand it is a clue as to their level of hegemony over the host cities.

2009-10-30T05:24:10+00:00

Gary

Guest


I don't really see what all the fuss is about. Subiaco Oval regulaly hosts Super 14 Rugby and AFL on consecutive days. The ground is simply reconfiguered overnight with all sponsor signs, goals, ground markings being changed overnight. I think any drama would be more about overloaded tourist facilities, not permanent residents attending their usual sports. For Rugby it is easy, they'll just play in New Zealand or South Africa for a few weeks if they have to. The AFL and NRL can't do that of course.

2009-10-29T20:27:23+00:00

allblackfan

Guest


Here's the rub -- a lot of us don't want to play with these big boys, or at least not under these terms. This is a FFA bid. This is shown by the fact that the other rival codes have NOT agreed to the FIFA stipulation. (In the AFL/NRL cases, they may not be able to afford to a two-month lockout unless compensation is offered.) If FFA wants to bid for the WC, they need to get them on board quickly!

2009-10-28T23:38:43+00:00

Michael C

Roar Guru


in a sense by the continent of South AMerica that saw only one real bid for the 2014 WC.....Blatter still went thru the motions of announcing "And the winner is.......the sole bidder"

2009-10-28T23:28:00+00:00

jmt

Guest


If you want to play with the big boys, then adhere to FIFA regulation or do not attempt to win the bid to host the second biggest sporting event in the world!

2009-10-28T12:52:54+00:00

Kurt

Guest


Actually it's the US bid committee that thinks that - serious economists know these sorts of benefits statements are pretty much nonsense.

2009-10-28T12:43:45+00:00

allblackfan

Guest


The fact is that if FFA wants to host the WC, it HAS to secure the agreement of the other codes. That's a stipulation of the bidding process. As a rugby union fan, I would not be prepared to accept a two-month break from my game just to suit the interests of FIFA. Who do they think they are anyway? On a personal level, I can say that, as a Fijian, FIFA has done NOTHING for my homeland. Therefore I owe them NOTHING. I reckon FIFA might find it refreshing to be told to go jump in the lake!! When do you reckon was the last time they were told that!??

2009-10-28T12:30:56+00:00

Dan Wighton

Roar Guru


2009-10-28T12:29:42+00:00

Dan Wighton

Roar Guru


Tokyo. $$$$$$$$$$$

2009-10-28T12:26:14+00:00

cab711

Guest


Oh please, architects 'dont make these blunders'? They stuffed up the designs of Wembley stadium.

2009-10-28T12:21:03+00:00

Freud of Football

Roar Guru


No but if Qatar don't care about the prerequisites than why are we making such a fuss about them?

2009-10-28T12:12:42+00:00

Pippinu

Roar Guru


Freud please - I don't think we are going to pick up credibility over night simply by comparing ourselves to Qatar!!

2009-10-28T11:54:34+00:00

cab711

Guest


This would be great for Soccer Australia if we hosted the World Cup though I think I will be a very old man before this ever occurs. It will be an awesome advertisement of the sport to followers of other codes (even if only for a couple of months)and it will be hard for everyone not to get caught up in the euphoria of the fans. My wish is that that the whole of Australia can participate in this event and it is not just the major cities that get involved. I reckon this WC would be truelly awesome. Alot of people dont realise how people view our country overseas and neither did I till I travelled and met people in other continents and you really get to appreciate what a truelly amazing and unique country we live in. This is a blip in the other codes schedule and I see no argument why they would not want to participate. If its about money well they can all go get stuffed - this would be automatic qualification with an entire nation behind them egging them on in our country wearing our colours. If you want to cloud that with arguments of who is not getting their share of the pie,well...you can take a long walk off a short pier.

2009-10-28T11:37:50+00:00

Heard of Asia?

Guest


"Australia has some distinct advantages and the biggest is that it’s the last continent that hasn’t hosted a WC." Totally False! Sorry, couldn't read the rest of your post after reading this whopper! Haven't you heard of Asia mate - Austalia is a signed up member of the Asian Region. Can't see that "last continent" bit getting NZ a Soccer World Cup anytime soon! Laughable notion mate!

2009-10-28T11:19:51+00:00

Freud of Football

Roar Guru


Pip, again, you're being totally negative. Build two more stadiums in Melbourne like Docklands with movable seating, that would mean for the WC they would be football stadiums and after the WC they could be used for AFL. The same goes in Sydney. It is big enough to host 3 stadiums (there's one more to your list). Perth could possibly be the same as it continues to expand at a rate of knots, if the AFL expands there another stadium will be required. Either way we should ignore these FIFA prerequisites, if FIFA want to bring a WC to Australia these won't be any sort of problem. If you think we have problems then look at Qatar, do you think they care that they don't have enough people or huge stadiums?

2009-10-28T11:18:16+00:00

prowling panther

Roar Rookie


Are you sure Etihad is a WC stadium? Correct me if I am wrong but under FIFA guidelines, only one city may use two stadiums. Since they clearly prefer purpose built rectangle stadiums its unlikely the bid would use the MCG and Etihad. More likely SFS and ANZ stadium in which case Etihad is free for AFL in the 4 weeks up to the Cup. Then during the cup they can play at regional centres and expansion areas, so the comp can continue. Minimal disruption to player training and match fitness... meh I ain't very knowledgeable when it comes to football Anyways it just occured to me that Origin would clash with any WC. Now that is a different monster altogether...

2009-10-28T11:16:00+00:00

Freud of Football

Roar Guru


Yes, some very good points which people should focus on rather than AFL/NRL seasons being interrupted.

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