International eligibility rules: Who should play for your country?

By nickoldschool / Roar Guru

Representing your adopted country in any sport has always been a highly divisive and touchy subject.

With rugby being the parochial, tribal sport that it is, Roarers have often had highly entertaining discussions about the matter as there are strong cases for both arguments.

“Who should have the right to wear the national jersey, should you be born in a country to represent it, can residents yet non-citizens represent their new country, how long is long enough etc. Should the son/daughter or even grandson/granddaughter of someone born elsewhere be eligible to wear their parents/grandparents colours?”

The list goes on.

Needless to say our answers are always colourful and passionate as it’s clearly impossible not to be emotional on the subject. Our answers are who we are, what we stand for, they are the result of our very own story, our upbringing, our values and our soul.

From countries and managers being labelled ‘poachers, disgraceful, opportunists’ to players being called ‘mercenaries’ or ‘traitors’, we have seen it all. Problem is, after years of debating the topic, most of us still feel torn and unsatisfied with the answers. Personally, I still don’t know what to think or worse, what to feel, when I see a player representing his new country.

Last week, when I came across an interview with former French winger Emile N’tamack (aka Milou), I thought “ok, I know now. He is right: people wearing the national jersey should not only be proud of their colours but should also represent the country’s people and values, its culture and diversity. They should fit in, already be part of it”.

I really felt N’tmack had chosen the right words when he said: “Playing for France means you represent a lot of things: country’s name in the sport arena obviously but also French values and cultural diversity which are as we know already rich in our country. I’d rather lose the ‘French-way’ than win thanks to foreigners.”

“Sure the world has changed but are people going to identify and support a team with many foreigners? Not long ago, we had a go at our footballers because they didn’t sing ‘La Marseillaise’ and I can’t imagine Rory Kockott singing it either with the Bleu jersey on.

“Even though he has the legal right to represent France, he just can’t consider himself to be a French citizen nor can he forget his South-African roots. Sure, I get that some players are desperate to play a RWC – even if it means playing for Peru!”

I have to say what Milou, the son of French-Cameroon parents, said felt right at that time as he represents what France like England or Australia are, truly multicultural countries. We Aussies, Kiwis, English, French, Americans etc come from culturally diverse countries shaped by waves of migrations.

In this respect we already have plenty of diversity to include in our national teams. Basically, there is no need to pick players who moved to our countries only a few years ago and may have done so for ‘the wrong reasons’ – i.e. playing a World Cup for a country, no matter what country it is.

It did sound simple, clear and full of common sense and for once I felt I had finally found ‘my side’. Well that was until last night when I came across this video.

In this video, one of the purest, rawest sporting moment I have ever seen, we see Scott Spedding, Bayonne’s South-African born full-back, giving a post-match interview after Saturday’s Top 14 game.

At the time of the match, Spedding isn’t on the list but we all know PSA has to find a replacement for injured Brice Dulin.

In the first part of the interview, Scott doesn’t know he has been picked, no one knows actually. When the journo asks him if he still has some hopes, Scott replies that yes, he still dreams of representing France but knows he is an outside chance as he has never been picked before.

Then Patrice Lagisquet, one of France’s coaches, tells us that Philippe Saint-Andre has just made up his mind, Scott is in the group. What happens next at the dressing room when Lagisquet announces to Spedding that he’s in the group is simply beautiful and doesn’t need an explanation – or a translation.

Every rugby nation has its own Scott Spedding. Clyde Rathbone, ‘Beast’ Mtawarira, Brad Barritt etc have similar stories. Can we ‘guarantee’ that all players representing their new country do so for ‘the right reasons’? No we can’t.

Does it mean we should prevent guys like Scott from playing for their new colours? I think not and I for one would be extremely proud to have a guy like him wearing the Bleu jersey.

We are in a world where most professional sportsmen are blasé and see representing their country has a burden rather than a privilege especially if it doesn’t enhance their ‘brand’ or earn them big dollars.

A few months ago, Samuel Eto’o, one of the highest paid football stars on the planet, lead a strike over bonuses to ensure he and his Cameroon team mates would get as much as possible during the month-long FIFA World Cup.

That’s what Cameroon jersey meant for him, a way to make a few extra bucks. French basketball NBA star Joachim Noah said ‘no’ to France at the last world cup preferring to ‘rest’ before the new NBA season and be ready to play for his American franchise. Again, money talked.

For this reason I think we should welcome guys like Spedding whose reaction to what was merely ‘a training camp invitation’ for his new country is refreshing. Isn’t it what we all want, players who would give anything to play for their team, club or country?

Give me Potgieter or Spedding to represent my club or country over players who may be born in the same land but with whom I have nothing in common.

So what to do to ensure the Speddings of this world can play but the potential fraudsters and opportunists can’t? Currently, IRB eligibility regulations state that:

8.1 a player may only play for the country in which:

a. he was born; or
b. one parent or grandparent was born; or
c. he has completed thirty six consecutive months of Residence immediately preceding the time of playing.

All possible loopholes can’t be closed and it’s clear that no matter what’s in the next regulations we will always get the odd case that leaves a bad taste.

Personally, I would increase the residency rules to five years. For the record, Scott Spedding moved to France at 21 and is now 28. I would also remove the grandparent rule as it is or at least include a clause stating ‘grandparent and three years of residence’.

This would prevent players such as Sean Maitland to play for a country he barely knew. Even sons of immigrants should in my opinion have lived in the country of birth of their parents for at least one, preferably two years before becoming eligible.

Again, I think it’s great that new migrants or descendants of immigrants can one day represent their new country but it’s in the interest of the game itself to keep national teams coherent. No regulations will ever fully prevent rugby federations from ‘fabricating’ a side whose sole objective is to win, no matter who’s in it.

In this respect I believe we supporters are the ones who have to voice our opinions when we think the players chosen do not represent us.

From what I have seen on social media in the last 24 hours, many French have welcomed Spedding and already consider him one of ours.

The Crowd Says:

2014-11-06T14:16:57+00:00

peeeko

Roar Guru


on their website, who are the Samoan Rugby claiming as theirs? heritage players or players born there?

2014-11-06T14:07:23+00:00

peeeko

Roar Guru


grandparents is too weak a link for players to represent a country. they are professional and do it for money. look at Dan Parks, a full Aussie who utilised a grandparent who left the country 50 years ago to play for scotland for monetary reasons

2014-11-06T13:46:30+00:00

Katipo

Guest


The test for eligibility would be citizenship, the same as the Olympics, but rugby needs to have a different eligibility system because the Rugby Unions of England, Wales and Scotland (and Ireland) are allowed to compete as if they are real countries. They are not countries they are national rugby unions (Great Britain is a country and competes at the Olympics). Because the IRB allows non-countries to compete in international rugby the passport can't be used to verify eligibility. A mess has resulted to accommodate the "Home Unions". Ironically the eligibility rules are mostly abused by real countries like Australia and France who regularly select foreign citizens to represent them. There is no need for real countries to have any other method for judging eligibility. Citizenship works fine. The solution is to have two sets of eligibility rules for international rugby. 1) For countries. Citizenship test. That would close the door on the nonsense. 2) For special Rugby Unions who are not countries (England, Ireland, Wales, Scotland). Only players who hold a Great Britain (or Eire) passport are eligible for selection and are then covered by the current eligibility rules. This prevents players switching between Home Unions and making a mockery of things (which was the intention of the current rules I imagine). Don't get me started on why one country - Great Britain - has 6 - 8 seats on the IRB (depending on how you count the Irish reps)!!!

2014-11-05T05:02:50+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Sigh..... Life was so much more simpler once upon a time. Mostly English ethnics played for England, plus the odd Russian count. Just about only Welsh ethnics played for Wales. Just about only Scots ethnics played for Scotland. Just about only Irish ethnics played for Ireland. Definitely only French ethnics played for France, plus maybe the odd Algerian. Definitely only Boer & Anglo-Saxon ethnics played for South Africa. Just about only Anglo-Saxon & Maori ethnics played for New Zealand. Meanwhile, mostly Australian ethnics played for Australia. Plus plenty of Kiwis, or English, who couldn't make the English or NZ team. Plus the odd Argentine looking for a better life for his family. Definitely Fijian, Samoan & Tongan ethnics played exclusively for Fiji, Samoa or Tonga respectively. Now, many countries are beginning to resemble foreign legions. You could swap the jerseys of Australia & NZ, & before they started playing, not actually notice the difference! ;-)

2014-11-05T04:38:58+00:00

Jerry

Guest


By 'hired' he means 'offered a job after Christian Leali’ifano told the Brumbies coaches they should recruit him'.

2014-11-05T04:22:56+00:00

superba

Guest


Clyde Rathbone's behaviour was disgusting . Asked why he never sang the SA National anthem at one SA vs Aus test he is reported to have said " I could not remember the words" . Just appalling coming from the once SA U20 captain .Little wonder he was booed whenever he played in SA. Unlike once Springbok Tiaaan Strauss who behaved like a gentleman and was welcomed to SA - in a Wallaby jersey.

2014-11-05T04:14:43+00:00

superba

Guest


Like Clyde Rathbone for example .

2014-11-05T04:12:01+00:00

superba

Guest


Yet in your country if you , or a member of your family was injured , and required surgery , would you feel bad about being operated upon by a surgeon who had been born overseas, trained overseas and migrated to your country fully qualified ? I think not ! There is the natural ebb and flow of professionals of every vocation from one country to another .Always been so - always will be so . However what one cannot quantify is the pride and emotion of playing for country . And the feelings of the country's supporters .This is the gist of it I think . I would simply say 5 years for every player who changes countries. Forget the parent/grandparent loopholewhich is exploited. 5 years and be done with it .

2014-11-04T18:42:24+00:00

Greaper

Roar Rookie


"I mean, who goes to nz for a better life?" Saffers like it there, as well as Oz, US and UK...

2014-11-04T17:59:03+00:00

atlas

Guest


that's a selective quote - Tongan Thor said a lot of things, has an ego matched only by his weight: Clear he would play anywhere if there is money in it: ***** The young prop has talked about taking his rugby career to Australia before, and APN are reporting that because he can’t play for NZ Secondary Schools team he is seriously considering that career option. Tupou says he would play for New Zealand “in a second”, but he was starting to look at offers across the Tasman and even Europe, where he has had offers. He told APN, “That's one of my goals this year - to play for the New Zealand A team. If I can play with them, then maybe I'll change my mind from going to Australia. "If I have the chance to play for the All Blacks, I'll take it. If I can't make the All Blacks and I can't make the Wallabies, then maybe I'll play for the other one - [Tongan national rugby team] Ikale Tahi." ********* "I don't care where as long as I'm there"

2014-11-04T15:27:41+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Well put. Yes, I think it's not a bad thing--opening borders and such. It might create pressure on corrupt or semi-corrupt governments to change.

2014-11-04T13:24:54+00:00

Eddard

Roar Guru


No one has a problem with these players representing their adopted country. But they should be allowed to represent a 2nd country after being out of the international arena for say 2 years. It's just ridiculous that it isn't allowed. In every way it benefits the rich countries over the poorer ones. It's perfectly fine for Olympic athletes to switch allegiances and it should be the same in rugby. Clearly the only reason it's not allowed is because the European nations are afraid of getting regularly beaten by the islanders.

2014-11-04T12:31:12+00:00

Shane D

Roar Rookie


No, because if they did they would still be playing in their countries.

2014-11-04T12:28:43+00:00

Shane D

Roar Rookie


Unlikely. The proposal put forward by the NZRFU has a stand down period that would make the risk of losing a couple of seasons a negative. Given that in over 100 years of the AB's less than 40 PI born players have played tests for NZ I don't think the numbers would be great in anycase.

2014-11-04T12:25:40+00:00

Shane D

Roar Rookie


The Celtic nations generally vote this down. They are worried about the impact of such players would have on the PI teams. Ranking places might be at jeopardy!

2014-11-04T12:09:27+00:00

Ian

Guest


Players with citizenship.

2014-11-04T11:42:56+00:00

Martin Deligasi

Guest


make it so you only play where you are born/who your parents are and there would be no kiwis to play for the all blacks, except for mccaw whos career is pretty much done anyway

2014-11-04T11:00:31+00:00

Basil B'borgnay

Guest


I presume by 'hired' you mean seek out opportunities not available where they presently resided (in the case of speight that was in nz)?

2014-11-04T10:59:53+00:00

All Bent Out of Shape

Guest


Apart from the Maori? Umm Auckland is the biggest PI city in the world and our ABs team has Carter, SBW, Jane, Kaino, Nonu, Dagg, Mealamu, Faumuina, A.Smith, Pulu, Perenara, Cruden, Savea, Piutau, Fekitoa, Messam, Vito and Tuipulotu (plus more) that arnt "white" and all of them except Kaino and Fekitoa were born in NZ. Try thinking.

2014-11-04T10:07:10+00:00

IronAwe

Guest


Not at all AJ, and I find it sad you think so. Gurudoright, players already CAN chose which country they play for. They just have to live there for a while first. I really dont understand why some many people are crying over this.

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