The fruits of mediocrity in the AFL are draft picks. Nick Riewoldt, Luke Hodge, Chris Judd and Brendon Goddard are these fruits. Great players who define their teams, sport and generations.
How do you get them? Suck, be bad, be awful, be so irrelevant to the sport that no one watches your team, and most importantly lose. Lose a lot.
Don’t worry about what sort of cancer that losing can breed. Just hope and pray that Adam Cooney is football’s chemotherapy.
It’s called tanking. Lose so to get better. Everything that goes up, must come down. Those who finish last get the pot of gold. Jack Watts, Tom Scully, sorry Melbourne supporters – it doesn’t always work.
Tanking challenges the very purpose in which participants play or perform sport.
The ambition to succeed and try your best is evaporated in the aim to inherit these fruits of mediocrity.
Looking back on previous drafts in AFL, clubs should be encouraged to tank. High draft picks like Nick Riewoldt, Luke Hodge, and Chris Judd, have shaped and guided teams into powerhouses.
Tanking has its price however – attendances, TV ratings, and general interest in the sport have declined as results of matches become more predictable.
Carlton and Melbourne went through a decade of irrelevance due to tanking. For three straight drafts, from 2005-07, the No.1 draft pick was to Carton like the ring was to Gollum in The Lord of the Rings. Precious.
I’ve often thought how the AFL could abolish tanking.
The NBA have the draft lottery, which acts as a deterrent on tanking. Although some teams in the NBA take their chances on winning the lottery like the Philadelphia 76ers and the New York Knicks are this year, most teams try to get better by signing free agents and trades.
Only three of the last 25 worst teams in the NBA have won the lottery, so why teams tank in the NBA is still beyond me.
To implement such a policy to the AFL, we would need to hypothetically speaking turn back the clock and see what would have happened to the AFL if they introduced a lottery.
So I will use the results of the NBA lottery to reorder the AFL drafts.
Here are some rules and guidelines that I would implemented in doing this exercise.
The first round of the draft is ordered by the lottery and the picking order in the other rounds are determined by finishing position (as it is now).
No priority picks, as it only encourage more tanking.
I will start from 2000 and work my way through until 2010, because the introduction of the Gold Coast and GWS to the AFL tampered the following drafts in 2011 and 2012, and then restart in 2013.
The NBA lottery incorporates the eligibility of 14 teams. This historically is perfect for this exercise because the AFL has 16 teams. So if you make the grand final, you are not eligible for the lottery.
Before I conduct this exercise, I know that the draft order of players would be different to the list below based on teams needs and I will make obvious exceptions as I go.
But other than that, this is just a gimmick.
Pick | Player | Original Club | New Club |
1 | Nick Riewoldt | St. Kilda | Sydney |
2 | Justin Koschitzke | St. Kilda | West Coast |
3 | Alan Didak | Collingwood | St. Kilda |
4 | Luke Livingston | Carlton | Collingwood |
5 | Andrew McDougall | West Coast | Port Adelaide |
6 | Dylan Smith | North Melbourne | Fremantle |
7 | Laurance Angwin | Adelaide | Adelaide |
8 | Daniel Motlop | North Melbourne | Richmond |
9 | Kayne Pettifer | Richmond | Western Bulldogs |
10 | Jordon McMahon | Western Bulldogs | Carlton |
11 | Trent Sporn | Carlton | Port Adelaide |
12 | Shaun Burgoyne | Port Adelaide | Brisbane |
13 | Ashley McGrath | Brisbane | North Melbourne |
14 | Daniel Harris | North Melbourne | Carlton |
Okay, so just go ahead and give that 2006 premiership to Sydney? Fine I will.
Nick Riewoldt at the Swans, that’s some team, and he’s probably still there right? 15 years at the Swans, three, maybe four premierships.
Shaun Burgoyne is still at the Power – Port had his brother, Peter, they would have drafted him at 11 if need be. So no Brisbane fans, you can’t dream of four straight premierships.
The Laurence Angwin nightmare still continues for Adelaide.
Alan Didak at St Kilda. The Stephen Milne-Didak small forward combo is probably the best we’ve ever seen but without Riewoldt or Justin Koschitzke it doesn’t mean much, so say goodbye to 2010 and 2011 grand final appearances, but you would have forgotten about them by now? Right?
Pick | Player | Original Club | New Club |
1 | Luke Hodge | Hawthorn | West Coast |
2 | Luke Ball | St Kilda | Collingwood |
3 | Chris Judd | West Coast | Carlton |
4 | Graham Polak | Fremantl | Fremantle |
5 | Xavier Clarke | St Kilda | St Kilda |
6 | Ashley Sampi | West Coast | North Melbourne |
7 | David Hale | North Melbourne | Melbourne |
8 | Jimmy Bartel | Geelong | Western Bulldogs |
9 | Luke Molan | Melbourne | Adelaide |
10 | Sam Power | Western Bulldogs | St Kilda |
11 | Richard Cole | Collingwood | Carlton |
12 | Brent Reilly | Adelaide | Port Adelaide |
13 | Nick Dal Santo | St Kilda | Hawthorn |
14 | Ashley Watson | North Melbourne | Richmond |
Best draft ever.
West Coast fans, it’s not all bad. Luke Hodge is an all-time great player, arguably the best captain this century. But Chris Judd was so precocious, instantly good, and Hodge took a while to get his career going. So unfortunately for West Coast fans, Sydney go back-to-back in 2005-06 and you can’t argue when you see the 2002 draft.
Geelong get Chris Judd but no Jimmy Bartel, but you could live with that because there is no way Hawthorn could pull off the 2008 premiership coup with Chris Judd in the Geelong side. That’s four flags, not three, perhaps even five in a row?
You’re still one of the greatest teams ever assembled. And just quietly, the 2004 preliminary final vs Brisbane and 2005 elimination final against Sydney all of sudden get interesting – like, result-changingly interesting maybe?
Judd never leaves for Carlton.
Sit down Western Bulldogs fans. It gets better.
Now to Hawthorn fans, Fremantle had picks one and four in the original draft. With my no priority pick rule that means they only get pick three after the lottery. So I don’t know if Fremantle make the Trent Croad trade with only one draft pick. But you get Nick Dal Santo. So maybe 2008 premiership is still yours?
David Hale to Melbourne. No difference.
Luke Ball at Collingwood. It was meant to be.
2002
Pick | Player | Original Club | New Club |
1 | Brendon Goddard | St. Kilda | Sydney |
2 | Daniel Wells | North Melbourne | North Melbourne |
3 | Jared Brennan | Brisbane | St. Kilda |
4 | Tim Walsh | Western Bulldogs | Brisbane |
5 | Jarrad McVeigh | Sydney | Western Bulldogs |
6 | Steven Salopek | Port Adelaide | Port Adelaide |
7 | Andrew Mackie | Geelong | Geelong |
8 | Luke Brennon | Hawthorn | Hawthorn |
9 | Hamish McIntosh | North Melbourne | North Melbourne |
10 | Jason Laycock | Essendon | Essenson |
11 | Jason Winderlich | Essendon | Essendon |
12 | Jay Schultz | Richmond | Richmond |
13 | Byron Schammer | Fremantle | Fremantle |
14 | Daniel Bell | Melbourne | Melbourne |
Sydney lose McVeigh to the Bulldogs, and get Goddard instead. I know the Swans love McVeigh, but come on, Goddard.
McVeigh to the Bulldogs with Bartel. I’ll show you later what that means.
2003
Pick | Player | Original Club | New Club |
1 | Adam Cooney | Western Bulldogs | Western Bulldogs |
2 | Andrew Walker | Carlton | St. Kilda |
3 | Colin Sylvia | Melbourne | Carlton |
4 | Farren Ray | Western Bulldogs | Melbourne |
5 | Brock McLean | Melbourne | Richmond |
6 | Kepler Bradley | Essendon | Western Bulldogs |
7 | Kane Tenace | Geelong | Geelong |
8 | Raphael Clarke | St. Kilda | St. Kilda |
9 | Davis Trotter | North Melbourne | North Melbourne |
10 | Ryley Dunn | Fremantle | Fremantle |
11 | Beau Waters | West Coast | West Coast |
12 | Ryan Murphy | Fremantle | Fremantle |
13 | Brent Stanton | Essendon | Essendon |
14 | Fergus Watts | Adelaide | Adelaide |
Bulldogs keep Cooney and stay seated, it gets real good next year. This lottery is really boring. Not much history changes here.
2004
Pick | Player | Original Club | New Club |
1 | Brett Deledio | Richmond | Richmond |
2 | Jarryd Roughead | Hawthorn | Adelaide |
3 | Ryan Griffen | Western Bulldogs | Hawthorn |
4 | Richard Tambling | Richmond | Hawthorn |
5 | Lance Franklin | Hawthorn | Western Bulldogs |
6 | Tom Williams | Western Bulldogs | Carlton |
7 | Jordan Lewis | Hawthorn | North Melbourne |
8 | John Meesen | Adelaide | Fremantle |
9 | Jordon Russell | Carlton | Essendon |
10 | Chris Egan | Collingwood | West Coast |
11 | Adam Thomson | Port Adelaide | Sydney |
12 | Danny Meyer | Richmond | Melbourne |
13 | Matthew Bate | Melbourne | Geelong |
14 | Angus Monfries | Essendon | St. Kilda |
Boom! Franklin at Footscray, the premiership window finally reopens since for the Bulldogs, first time since 1997. Franklin goes to GWS in 2013 as scheduled.
Roughead in Adelaide means possibly 2006 grand final appearance for the Crows. Hawthorn ask the Richmond questions about Richard Tambling.
Richmond still regret Deledio like a Vegas marriage and Ryan Griffen to the Hawks is interesting, while Dean Laidley realises that Jordan Lewis is his lovechild.
2005
Pick | Player | Original Club | New Club |
1 | Marc Murphy | Carlton | Brisbane |
2 | Dale Thomas | Collingwood | Carlton |
3 | Xavier Ellis | Hawthorn | Essendon |
4 | Josh Kennedy | Carlton | Collingwood |
5 | Scott Pendlebury | Collingwood | Hawthorn |
6 | Beau Dowler | Hawthorn | Richmond |
7 | Patrick Ryder | Essendon | Fremantle |
8 | Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls | Richmond | Western Bulldogs |
9 | Mitchell Clark | Brisbane Lions | Melbourne |
10 | Marcus Drum | Fremantle | West Coast |
11 | Shaun Higgins | Western Bulldogs | Hawthorn |
12 | Nathan Jones | Melbourne | Geelong |
13 | Shannon Hurn | West Coast | St. Kilda |
14 | Grant Birchall | Hawthorn | Adelaide |
This has a lot of movement. Marc Murphy to Brisbane as their three years of consecutive premiership hangover cure.
Carlton get Dale Thomas seven years earlier than scheduled.
Collingwood one-two punch opposition defences with Kennedy/Cloke forward line
Hawthorn start to assemble one of great midfields with Pendlebury, Dal Santo, Mitchell and Griffen.
Fremantle get Ryder as the perfect complement to Pavlich and Sandilands.
Clark finally ends up at Melbourne but goes to Brisbane as a free agent in 2013 after saying Fremantle is his preferred choice.
Adelaide siphon Birchall from the Hawks as well as Roughead.
2006
Pick | Player | Original Club | New Club |
1 | Bryce Gibbs | Carlton | Port Adelaide |
2 | Scott Gumbleton | Essendon | Essendon |
3 | Lachlan Hansen | Kangaroos | North Melbourne |
4 | Matthew Leuenberger | Brisbane Lions | Carlton |
5 | Travis Boak | Port Adelaide | Brisbane |
6 | Mitchell Thorp | Hawthorn | Hawthorn |
7 | Joel Selwood | Geelong | Geelong |
8 | Ben Reid | Collingwood | Collingwood |
9 | David Armitage | St Kilda | St Kilda |
10 | Nathan Brown | Collingwood | Collingwood |
11 | Andrejs Everitt | Western Bulldogs | Western Bulldogs |
12 | James Frawley | Melbourne | Melbourne |
13 | Jack Riewoldt | Richmond | Richmond |
14 | James Sellar | Adelaide | Adelaide |
Gibbs stays in South Australia. Port Adelaide start playing home games at Brighton Road (Adelaide joke).
Brisbane are on a serious re-build with Boak and Murphy added as Simon Black’s sidekicks.
Geelong fans rest easy as Selwood is a cat.
2007
Pick | Player | Original Club | New Club |
1 | Matthew Kreuzer | Carlton | Brisbane |
2 | Trent Cotchin | Richmond | Essendon |
3 | Chris Masten | West Coast | Western Bulldogs |
4 | Cale Morton | Melbourne | Richmond |
5 | Jarrad Grant | Western Bulldogs | West Coast |
6 | David Myers | Essendon | Melbourne |
7 | Rhys Palmer | Fremantle | Fremantle |
8 | Lachlan Henderson | Brisbane Lions | Brisbane |
9 | Ben McEvoy | St Kilda | Adelaide |
10 | Patrick Dangerfield | Adelaide | Sydney |
11 | Patrick Veszpremi | Sydney | Collingwood |
12 | Cyril Rioli | Hawthorn | Hawthorn |
13 | Brad Ebert | West Coast | West Coast |
14 | Jack Grimes | Melbourne | Melbourne |
Perhaps Leigh Matthews doesn’t retire. Matthew Kreuzer at the Lions makes Brisbane a serious contender for five minutes. Kreuzer does his ACL while boarding off his first flight from Melbourne.
Trent Cotchin ends up stealing Jobe Watson’s 2012 Brownlow Medal. Thanks Steven Dank just like Shane Woewodin did in 2000.
Dangerfield goes an unknown Victorian club in 2015 after seven years and a Norm Smith Medal -just like he will this year.
2008
Pick | Player | Original Club | New Club |
1 | Jack Watts | Melbourne | North Melbourne |
2 | Nic Naitanui | West Coast | Melbourne |
3 | Stephen Hill | Fremantle | Fremantle |
4 | Hamish Hartlett | Port Adelaide | West Coast |
5 | Michael Hurley | Essendon | Port Adelaide |
6 | Chris Yarran | Carlton | Essendon |
7 | Daniel Rich | Brisbane Lions | Carlton |
8 | Tyrone Vickery | Richmond | Brisbane |
9 | Jack Ziebell | North Melbourne | Richmond |
10 | Phil Davis | Adelaide | Adelaide |
11 | Steele Sidebottom | Collingwood | Collingwood |
12 | Lewis Johnston | Sydney | Sydney |
13 | Tom Lynch | St Kilda | St Kilda |
14 (F/S) | Ayce Cordy | Western Bulldogs | Western Bulldogs |
North Melbourne pick Jack Watts. Is Jack Watts a different player if he was drafted by a better team? Is he saved from a career of demonic torture?
Melbourne accumulate more ruckmen. Carlton get one back on the Brisbane by recruiting Daniel Rich.
Michael Hurley enter the Port, instantly placed into a head-lock by Mark Williams as Choco shaves his head.
2009
Pick | Player | Original Club | New Club |
1 | Tom Scully | Melbourne | Fremantle |
2 | Jack Trengove | Melbourne | West Coast |
3 | Dustin Martin | Richmond | North Melbourne |
4 | Anthony Morabito | Fremantle | Melbourne |
5 | Ben Cunnington | North Melbourne | Richmond |
6 | Gary Rohan | Sydney | Sydney |
7 | Brad Sheppard | West Coast | Port Adelaide |
8 | John Butcher | Port Adelaide | Port Adelaide |
9 | Andrew Moore | Port Adelaide | Essendon |
10 | Jake Melksham | Essendon | Melbourne |
11 | Jordan Gysberts | Melbourne | Carlton |
12 | Kane Lucas | Carlton | Adelaide |
13 | Daniel Talia | Adelaide | Sydney |
14 | Lewis Jetta | Sydney | Western Bulldogs |
Sorry Melbourne fans. This must really suck. But hey, look at the last 10 years, they’ve also sucked. Sneaky Kangaroos start collecting some fine players.
I’d like to thank you for reading this article as we take a short three year break as the Suns and Giants ruin the draft and competitive football in the meantime.
And were back at the AFL draft lottery hypothetical or as Western Bulldogs fans call it – Morphine.
2013
Pick | Player | Original Club | New Club |
1 | Thomas Boyd | Greater Western Sydney | Western Bulldogs |
2 | Josh Kelly | Greater Western Sydney | Greater Western Sydney |
3 | Jack Billings | St Kilda | North Melbourne |
4 | Marcus Bontempelli | Western Bulldogs | St. Kilda |
5 | Kade Kolodjashnij | Gold Coast | Gold Coast |
6 | Matthew Scharenberg | Collingwood | Collingwood |
7 | James Aish | Brisbane Lions | Brisbane Lions |
8 | Luke McDonald | North Melbourne | North Melbourne |
9 | Christian Salem | Melbourne | Melbourne |
10 | Nathan Freeman | Collingwood | Collingwood |
11 | Dom Sheed | West Coast | West Coast |
12 | Ben Lennon | Richmond | Richmond |
13 | Patrick Cripps | Carlton | Carlton |
14 | Cameron McCarthy | Greater Western Sydney | Greater Western Sydney |
The year Franklin disappears to GWS, not Sydney due to salary cap even with COLA given they would have Riewoldt, Goddard and Dangerfield. Bulldogs find instant justice when winning the lottery.
Melbourne still regret trading for Dom Tyson, as Josh Kelly is a gun.
2014
Pick | Player | Original Club | New Club |
1 | Paddy McCartin | St Kilda | Richmond |
2 | Christian Petracca | Melbourne | St.Kilda |
3 | Angus Brayshaw | Melbourne | Melbourne |
4 | Jarrod Pickett | Greater Western Sydney | Greater Western Sydney |
5 | Jordan De Goey | Collingwood | Collingwood |
6 | Caleb Marchbank | Greater Western Sydney | Greater Western Sydney |
7 | Paul Ahern | Greater Western Sydney | Greater Western Sydney |
8 | Peter Wright | Gold Coast | Gold Coast |
9 | Darcy Moore | Collingwood | Collingwood |
10 | Nakia Cockatoo | Geelong | Geelong |
11 | Liam Duggan | West Coast | West Coast |
12 | Corey Ellis | Richmond | Richmond |
13 | Lachlan Weller | Fremantle | Fremantle |
14 | Jake Lever | Adelaide | Adelaide |
There’s not much to say here because we haven’t seen the lottery, other than Richmond win the lottery.
So what does this mean historically?
Actual Honour Roll | Lottery Honour Roll | ||||
Year | Winner | Runner Up | Year | Winner | Runner Up |
2000 | Essendon | Melbourne | 2000 | Essendon | Melbourne |
2001 | Brisbane | Essendon | 2001 | Brisbane | Essendon |
2002 | Brisbane | Collingwood | 2002 | Brisbane | Collingwood |
2003 | Brisbane | Collingwood | 2003 | Brisbane | Collingwood |
2004 | Port Adelaide | Brisbane | 2004 | Port Adelaide | Geelong |
2005 | Sydney | West Coast | 2005 | Sydney | West Coast |
2006 | West Coast | Sydney | 2006 | Sydney | Adelaide |
2007 | Geelong | Port Adelaide | 2007 | Geelong | West Coast |
2008 | Hawthorn | Geelong | 2008 | Geelong | Hawthorn |
2009 | Geelong | St. Kilda | 2009 | Geelong | Western Bulldogs |
2010 | Collingwood | St. Kilda | 2010 | Western Bulldogs | Geelong |
2011 | Geelong | Collingwood | 2011 | Geelong | Hawthorn |
2012 | Sydney | Hawthorn | 2012 | Sydney | Hawthorn |
2013 | Hawthorn | Fremantle | 2013 | Hawthorn | Fremantle |
2014 | Hawthorn | Sydney | 2014 | Hawthorn | Sydney |
Geelong win three flags in a row, but after a heart breaking seven-point loss to Buddy and Bartel’s Bulldogs to give Footscray their first premiership since 1954. Coach Rodney Eade finally gets his flag.
Geelong win four flags in five years after Gary Ablett Jnr joins Gold Coast in 2010.
In 2013, Clarkson finally lifts the trophy after three grand final losses had him looking like Ross Lyon.
Ross Lyon is still Ross Lyon. Flagless.
Chris Judd never meets Rebecca Judd, I mean Twigley, and instead marries a local girl named Lauren Phillips.
St. Kilda, Melbourne and Carlton are still bad, mainly because they are poorly run football clubs but also a lot to do with the draft.
So what do you think? Want the lottery or not? Would these results deter AFL clubs from tanking?
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Rob
Guest
WTF??? This is just a little fantasy thing going on in your head clearly - where on earth did you come up with the lottery order??? What a load of tripe to come up with Geelong winning a flag they should have won regardless, Sydney winning a grand final they lost by 1 point in the first place, and conveniently made collingwood disappear and gave the dogs a flag they probably should have won anyway!
Tommo Willo
Roar Pro
With that list, Adelaide would have to tank. Angwin (who?), Luke Molan (who?), Fergus Watts (who?), Kane Lucas instead of Talia, Mcevoy over Dangerfield. There would have to be an additional system to help the clubs in the serious trouble Adelaide would be in.
Jonesy
Guest
Spot on Ian! Was an interesting read
Shakemyhead
Guest
Shakemyhead
Guest
Ian I am only revisiting to see your replies to my questions. The article itself as pointed out by Paul is pointless. You show an obvious dislike for Carlton. I will admit it is quite possible that Carlton "tanked" in 2007 but I could mention other sides that may have tanked as well. By repeating tanking 3 times I am assuming you are claiming they may have tanked in previous years and all this time I thought we were a genuine bottom team. As for the sacking of Ratten and the appointment of Malthouse I would point out the that Brett Ratten is not the first AFL coach to be sacked so I fail to see where this can be described as a poor decision. The Board obviously thought that Ratten was not going to strengthen the list and went out and got a Coach whom they believed would. I still cannot believe your defence of a club that allowed an experimental injecting program to exist and cannot provide documentation as to what was and wasn't injected into their players.
jax
Guest
I'm not a fan of a lottery either but I have to correct you on the go home factor point you made before I offer an alternative solution. Sampi was drafted in 2002 and left in 2006 and WC never worried about go home factor before Judd left. They spent a few years overlooking interstate boys in favour of WA boys but that changed last year, thank goodness. Conversely, lots of remote boys have been drafted to Vic clubs over the last 10-15 years. Ian, if you are adamant that the system needs tweaking I'd favour leaving it as it is but with more oversight. For example, you have some stats guys running statistical analysis on all the key metrics that would highlight if a team was tanking eg player positions, time on ground, game plan, context of season etc. If they spot any irregularities they pass their findings on to a panel who will look into it more closely and take matters further if it is warranted. Impose super heavy penalties on them and NEVER allow a scenario like the Dees to happen again ie not guilty of tanking but fined $500k (for what?) and given a $2 Million handout from the AFL to pay the fine (maybe it was a loan I'm not sure but you get the point), bloody ridiculous. The cultural problems we've seen with the Dees should put everyone off but history always repeats and we will see tanking again I'm afraid, but maybe a subtler version of it. It's a blight on the game and it needs to be stamped out and oversight might be enough. I'd certainly give that a try before I would support a lottery. If a team has genuinely finished low on the ladder I have no problem with them getting the earlier picks.
Ian
Guest
I did say that in the article too. That the order of the draft would be different to what it was based on teams needs and players profiles. And stop it with the more draft picks for bad teams thing, like Melbourne need more draft picks, Who has made the biggest impact at Melbourne, Tom Scully and Jack Watts or Paul Roos, As a Hawthorn fan, id rather have Clarkson than Mitchell, Lyon over Pavlich, Longmire over Jack. Players make a difference yes, give me the A-grade coach, they make the biggest and immediate impact on a clubs direction
Ian
Guest
hahaha, u said you just wasted 5 minutes but you have revisited the page at least twice now. Brisbane is a hard market for a team that plays a sport that doesn't naturally appeal to the audience like union or rugby league. Essendon, I think the 26 games in 2 years has to do with the fact the club as in a good spot before the ASADA breakdown. the club was churning profits, upgrading their facilities. On Carlton, - how about TANKING, TANKING, TANKING and firing Ratten and giving Malthouse's super a good kick along.
Paul D
Roar Guru
That's a good point - simply swapping picks around doesn't add up. Eg. Ashley Sampi was never going to be drafted by anyone other than a Western Australian club, because of the go-home factor. My main issue with the lottery is that one year, a bunch of clubs who finish in the top 4 are all going to have their numbers pulled early, and everyone will scream like pigs stuck in a drain over the unfairness of it all. If you're going to reform the draft I think you need to look at more top 20 picks for the bottom 6 clubs - as it stands, the only thing separating St Kilda from Hawthorn in the draft is that St Kilda get pick 1. After that it's Hawthorn 18, St Kilda 19 - and so on, and so forth. That one extra player isn't enough to turn the tide for the cellar dwellers.
Shakemyhead
Guest
I am sure that Lyon was never going to stay at St Kilda despite what they may have offered him. He knew he had gotten the most out of that list and didn't want to stay around for a rebuild. Brisbane employed Voss for 5 years but still let him go and are a financial mess. They have had seven years of significant trading losses. They have appointed the former CEO of Carlton whom you described as poorly run. You say that Essendon are not poorly run on the basis that they have won 25 games in the past 2 years. Surely that can only be attributed to the players and not the administration. An administration that allowed the club to be in the situation that it finds itself in. I am a Carlton supporter and would like you to enlighten me as to what recent poor decisions have been made by the "factionable Board"?
Paul D
Roar Guru
The argument against tanking is what has happened to Melbourne - seeing how that club's culture got flushed down the toilet and how they're still struggling to recover, has deterred any club from copying their mistake, in my view. I don't see Brisbane as a badly run football club - the fundamental problem was that we stopped winning games. And the audience up here is fickle enough that when the club stopped winning, the people stopped coming. Winning is the only tonic for the club's financial woes, it was never a question of profligacy or bad management that saw them in the financial mire.
Dalgety Carrington
Roar Guru
So with the lottery pick, the club gets a crystal/hindsight ball along with it?..(except for the clubs you didn't like or couldn't be bothered with I'm guessing).
Ian
Guest
St. Kilda are poorly run on the basis that they let Ross Lyon leave without giving him a serious offer. Carlton are still a poorly run club based on the factions that dominate the decision making from a board point of view. Port have had maybe four losing seasons since 2000, plus 2 GFs and a flag, I'm more familiar to the power I see now rather than the power I saw 3-4 years ago. Brisbane hardly belong in this group, the employed Voss for 5 years, which is what strong clubs do, give people a chance, they also appoint smart people to run and influence the club. Richmond seem to have their culture problems sorted but, yeah, the jury is out on them still. Essendon, are well run mostly, its still impressive that there still able to 26 games in the two years given what has happened to that club. Western Bulldogs rebuild is organic compared to the rebuild that Melb, or Carl tried to attempt in the mid-late 2000's.
Shakemyhead
Guest
i do not get your statement about St.Kilda, Melbourne and Carlton are still bad because they are poorly run football clubs. What is your basis for this statement? Melbourne I guess but St Kilda are jus a few years off playing Grand Finals and Carltons bad years finished 6 years ago and have played and won finals since. Why do you not include Brisbane, Bulldogs, Richmond and Essendon in this category. Also it is only the last 2 seasons that Port have pulled themselves out of mediocracy.
Josh
Expert
Nick Riewoldt to Sydney? I think Eddie McGuire's head just exploded. I dream of some day getting through an entire year without someone proposing a 'lottery' draft system. It just makes absolutely no sense to me - it really doesn't. The current system works fine, it helps struggling clubs rebuild. Everyone cries "tanking" but I think clubs are very well aware now, from watching Carlton and the Dees, that tanking just does not work - moving up a few spots in the draft is simply not worth the immense cultural damage you do to the playing group when you coach to lose. Great talent can come from anywhere in the draft and the psychological benefits of winning far, far outweigh the benefits of having slightly higher draft picks.
Ian
Guest
I would hate to think what St. Kilda would be without him, I don't think he is overrated. Best CHF since Carey
Ian
Guest
Well if ya read the article you would have realised that I said it was a gimmick. If you think that there is an argument against tanking like you illustrated with Melbourne as your example, then I would say presenting a solution like I have with the lottery would be productive.
Paul D
Roar Guru
Melbourne Demons are the best argument against tanking that any club could ever make. Didn't read the article, hypotheticals about what might have been is a waste of words. Sorry, I know you've put a lot of effort in, but this is pointless.
spruce moose
Guest
Nick Riewoldt is the most overrated player in the league. Sydney were right/lucky to not have him
Mister Football
Roar Guru
I can't believe some of the duds the dogs have picked up over the years inside the top 10: McMahon (and the Eagles got McDougall at no. 5 in the same year!), Power, Walsh, Everitt, Grant....