Stop this #anyonebuthawks madness

By Nick / Roar Guru

In the past two weeks there has been this disturbing little trend popping up on this website: #anyonebuthawks, and it’s left me wondering why? Why are people so intent on seeing a successful club fail?

For the record, I am a Geelong fan, and although my hopes and dreams of them hoisting the cup up on grand final day this year are considerably more fanciful, I still believe deep down it could happen.

However, if Geelong were to ultimately fail in their quest for 2016 premiership glory then I’ll be rooting for the Hawks to do it for a fourth time.

And why shouldn’t we?

We follow football in an age where this type of dominance is not allowed to happen – in fact it is structurally designed in a way where it can’t happen.

And yet, here is a team that is on top of the ladder and giving itself every chance of not just winning a fourth consecutive flag but also an equally impressive achievement of five consecutive grand finals.

That is simply incredible, however the tall poppy syndrome that is arguably the national emotion of this country has come to the fore, and all people can do is lament the success of Hawthorn instead of applauding it.

To be honest it’s a bit odd, because this country prides itself on having a bit of a maverick streak about it as well – we love getting behind things that go contrary to logic or expectation, a person or a group of people telling the man to shove it. Clearly tall poppy syndrome trumps maverick though. A shame.

Sure, the Hawks have had a bit of luck. You’d be crazy not to accept that. But isn’t that so often the case with winning teams anyway? They aren’t the first successful team to get the rub of the green from the umpires, and they won’t be the last. Winners make their own luck and capitalise on it. Losers just sit in the corner and whinge about an unfair system.

I also know that people will start banging on about how free agency has eroded some of the equality measures that the AFL had in place, and Hawthorn have been able to use this as their way of prolonging success.

Yes, absolutely true. Hawthorn have done extremely well out of free agency, and why shouldn’t they have? There are a lot of compelling reasons to move to Hawthorn besides premiership success.

1. An excellent coaching structure and team culture.
2. Excellent club management.
3. Stability

Few clubs can boast this. There was an article recently on The Roar that essentially said only three clubs can: Hawthorn, Sydney and Geelong. Personally, I would now consider adding Carlton into that mix – as unbelievable as that sounds.

Good stable clubs are able to attract the best talent in this market. We should be applauding clubs like these for being administratively excellent and lamenting the fact that other clubs aren’t even in the same postcode as them in terms of managerial competence.

Fancy being at Adelaide when Sanderson was one day the coach, until Mark Ricciuto said “nope”? Who’d want to be at Brisbane? Stable clubs attract players. It is not the fault of Hawthorn, nor is it the fault of their success, that Brisbane is a complete basket-case, and players rush to the exit.

The other card the #anyonebuthawks people play is draft picks and that if any other club got the draft picks Hawthorn had, then they would have run a few flags. Utter, utter garbage. How about actually applauding them for their shrewdness with the draft picks?

Carlton, Melbourne, Richmond, Carlton, Melbourne, Richmond, Gold Coast, Richmond, Melbourne, Richmond have had oodles of draft picks in the past decade – how did it work out for them? You need to pick the right talent first, and then you need to harness it appropriately. Why aren’t we ragging on a suite of clubs for not picking the great stars of Hawthorn when they had the opportunity?

Let’s revisit the 2001 super draft. Yes, Hawthorn got Luke Hodge as No.1 (so let’s rule him out), but they got Sam Mitchell at pick 36. Melbourne however in between those picks snagged Luke Molan, Steven Armstrong and Aaron Rodgers. Who the heck was Aaron Rodgers? Hawthorn even picked Rick Ladson in between Hodge and Mitchell. Basically, every club had at least two opportunities to pick Mitchell before the Hawks did, and yet no one did.

That’s not the fault of Hawthorn. Other clubs chose to pick other players. Heck, James Kelly and Stevie J were passed up by a stack of clubs too. Other clubs traded away their picks instead.

How about 2004? Is it Hawthorn’s fault that Richmond decided to pick Richard Tambling instead of prodigiously talented youngster Buddy Franklin? It is Hawthorn’s fault that Footscray picked Tom Williams instead of Jordan Lewis? No. Cyril Rioli? A stack of other clubs had their chance. You lie in the bed you make. Retrospective jealousy is a folly position.

Hawthorn has got an awesome list, one for the ages. Hawthorn also has an excellent coach. Again, one for the ages. This is not something we should be getting jealous about. That list won’t be around forever, and really, the end will come soon. No club system will be able to develop obtain like-for-like replacements of Luke Hodge, Jordan Lewis, Sam Mitchell, Shaun Burgoyne, Josh Gibson, Cyril Rioli etc.

Look no further than Geelong as an example – they have remained competitive, but not dominant because no one was going to be able to replace a Gary Ablett, James Kelly, Matthew Scarlett, Jimmy Bartel (in his prime) immediately. Dangerfield has helped, but there are still huge holes in the Geelong list that draft picks and the system haven’t been able to fill.

Hawthorn will fall eventually. All dominant teams in any sport eventually fall off the perch. The Australian cricket team fell and fell hard when the superstars left. But until they do, let’s enjoy the ride and see how long they can continue to defy the system. More power to them – unless that’s against the Cats, where I will want nothing less than a triple-digit humiliation of the Hawks.

P.S., for those who stick to the #anyonebuthawks nonsense, you are tacitly implying that you’d rather see a Ross Lyon-coached Fremantle win the flag! Let’s be sensible now.

The Crowd Says:

2016-07-31T06:09:01+00:00

Dennis

Guest


Talk facts mate ! Finals series don't count if you are not there on the big day brain wave ! The Lions made 4 GF's to equal the Hawks have to make the GF, to surpass they have to win. So talk some sense...

2016-07-23T00:37:47+00:00

Paul D

Roar Guru


I also think your line about salary cap advantage being beyond compare is misplaced, very much so. You've seen the Lions on the same cap as everyone else. We offered Josh Jenkins an extra $200 grand a year to come play for us and he turned us down. That's a million dollars he's paying over 5 years, not to play for us. So no, I don't think the salary cap "advantage" was anywhere near as big as you seem to think it was. We've hemorrhaged players to other clubs and have had to pay overs to keep those we don't want to keep. I'd argue in fact that it should return, certainly for our academy players.

2016-07-23T00:26:40+00:00

Paul D

Roar Guru


It wasn't just the grand finals NYH, it was the way they used to demolish teams during the regular season. Brisbane fans were spoilt rotten at the Gabbatoir, we'd just go along and watch our team annihilate opposition every week. Some of those games were brutal. Someone on here referenced a takedown of a pretty decent WCE side that came over one year, I was at that game, it was supposed to be billed as a showdown between two top sides and the Lions murdered them, 100 points+ or something. They were a big tough team and they would just smash other teams off the park every week. No wonder everyone was happy when we finally got taken down...

2016-07-22T23:46:01+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


Wow...I love how my opinion sits as an indelible asterisk in your mind, NYH. I don't even have to make a comment and you reference me.

2016-07-22T23:16:11+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


That's right. Good boy!

2016-07-22T18:43:22+00:00

New York Hawk

Guest


Hahaha! Don Freo's even more opinionated and verbose, but less rational, son!

2016-07-22T18:39:33+00:00

New York Hawk

Guest


The only asterisk next to the Hawks 2014 and 2015 premierships are the ones in yours and Don Freo's purple notepads. The one in my brown and gold notepads will refer to them as "the greatest team of all time"! I think we were better than the Lions but maybe not as good as Geelong. The Lions beat a Bombers team that was on the way down and a Collingwood team that was barely worthy of being in the eight, letalone in the GF. The salary cap advantage was beyond compare. I loved watching them but talk about having asterisks next to premierships!

2016-07-22T18:14:23+00:00

New York Hawk

Guest


Don - Frawley was the only one brought in from Free Agency. All the others were traded for.

2016-07-22T04:31:02+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


I can't see where I have made an admission...or denial of aanything. Admit what? As I read this thread, Freo is not even in this conversation. Were you commenting on another discussion?

2016-07-22T02:44:16+00:00

Slane

Guest


So not only are their players better than Fremantles but their list managers are better too. I'm glad you can finally admit this.

2016-07-22T01:54:50+00:00

Dad of footy-playing kids

Guest


Re Free Agency - very fair point Spruce Moose. Worthy of discussion on its own - best over beers/scotch/red I believe the net effect of players alone is a negative to Hawks. However how they managed this situation into a 'win' position reflects well on the admin. If no Free Agency, I believe a lot more value (picks / players) would have to have been paid for Franklin, and made Hawks even stronger. We may even have seen him at GWS. We will never really know.

2016-07-22T00:22:52+00:00

Paul D

Roar Guru


I'm trying to be magnanimous, haha. I'm biased, but I thought it was a great game. I can appreciate why others would see it differently though.

2016-07-22T00:17:57+00:00

Pumping Dougie

Roar Guru


Collingwood a great opponent in 2002? The only reason they got remotely close to Brisbane was of torrential rain keeping the scores low, playing to Collingwood's advantage. They were a dour team.

2016-07-22T00:09:46+00:00

Paul D

Roar Guru


Collingwood were a great opponent in 2002, one of the greatest grand finals of all time, which makes their capitulation in 2003 even more perplexing.

2016-07-21T23:52:55+00:00

Wilson

Roar Guru


agree that we still have not got the one to replace what Roughhead, Hodge and Mitchell. bring in leadership. but Can hope someone soon stands up

2016-07-21T22:36:30+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


Why are you embarrassed? How do "flags" relate to Dean's comment about the devastating free trade losses? The flags are related solely to bought in players...Burgoyne, Gibson, Lake, Gunston, McEvoy...only Frawley was traded.

2016-07-21T19:10:28+00:00

Slane

Guest


Embarrassing post. 4 flags in 7 years.

2016-07-21T14:09:45+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


Only lost Franklin. the others leaving were not losses. They have amounted to nothing. Poor drafting.

2016-07-21T13:56:41+00:00

Football Head

Roar Rookie


Hawthorn players repeatedly tripped by swans. MCG, Round 9, 2016. No free kicks paid. Lest we forget. (Unless it suits your one eyed narrative to forget it of course)

2016-07-21T11:48:39+00:00

Birdman

Guest


A brilliant and gracious bit of writing, spruce moose. I understand the tall poppy syndrome - I used to hate Man Utd for similar reason because the EPL is mainly structured on unlimited spending, . The Hawks are the perfect 'against the odds' story and yet some ppl are missing it. The Hawks weren't supposed to be able to achieve this level of success because the AFL designed the system to ensure every club got a lick of the ice cream. The fans of teams that have a genuine grievance should be directing their angst at the AFL, not Hawthorn, (i.e.Dogs, North, Dees and Saints) - they missed out on a ton of talent which was locked up at the 2 expansion clubs. All props to Clarko and list manager Graham Wright who have masterfully found other ways to keep the Hawks at the top.

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