Eight talking points from NRL Round 18

By Scott Pryde / Expert

The final major bye round of the NRL season has come and gone, which means the run to the finals is well and truly underway.

In this week’s NRL talking points, we take a look at the cornerstone of the Eels season, assess Queensland’s Origin selections, ask why two teams are toast and much, much more.

Nathan Brown holds Parramatta’s keys to the finals
If there’s a more in-form forward in the competition than Parramatta’s Nathan Brown at the moment, I would like to hear about him.

Brown has been sensational all year, but he has gone to a whole new level in the last month, and he again led the way against a still world-class Storm pack.

Even without their representative players, the Storm still have one of the best forward packs in the competition, and Nathan Brown made them suffer.

After making more than 250 metres in the Eels’ last game against the Bulldogs, he backed it up with another damaging performance and 200 metres against the Storm.

While you have to acknowledge the slick combination of Mitchell Moses and Corey Norman, as well as the handy work of Clint Gutherson, the Eels wouldn’t be the team they are without their starting lock’s big minutes.

The spine gives them the potential to make a run in the finals, and Brown, in his current form makes it realistic. That’s going to be particularly true if he is backed up by other forwards who have been inconsistent – and Manu’Ma’u is at the top of that list.

Are Craig Bellamy’s post-match comments serious?
Ironic, isn’t it. Melbourne lose and coach Craig Bellamy suddenly wants to have a crack at the Eels for slowing the game down.

That’s right. Craig Bellamy, the coach of one of the game’s slowest, most grinding sides has just called out another team for doing exactly that. I know Melbourne were down on troops, but they were close enough to full strength up front, so for him to complain about the game being slow is beyond a joke.

“We get criticised a lot by opposition coaches for slowing the game down, but I thought it was really slow tonight. They were just laying on, laying on, but good luck to them – they got away with it.” said an irate Bellamy talking to the media after the game.

It’s almost unbelievable he would be the one to say such a thing. He acknowledged it, but the Storm, alongside the Sharks are the greatest grapplers and wrestlers in the game.

While it’s likely Bellamy was also frustrated with having six of his best in Queensland Origin camp, that’s no way to go about addressing things, when his own team is the worst offender.

Cameron Munster is a damn good halves option – Ben Hunt off the bench? Not so much
Let’s quickly switch our attention to State of Origin – just for a moment. Queensland have nailed one part of their selection, but not the other.

With a couple of forced changes for Game 3 of the series, the decider at home in Brisbane, Cameron Munster has been named to play in the halves, Michael Morgan the centres and Ben Hunt to take his place on the bench.

The forced changes came about because of injuries to Johnathan Thurston and Darius Boyd, with Munster to make it an all-Melbourne Storm spine and Morgan added to the centres.

Munster going into the halves seems like the smartest option – he has been outstanding there all season and will be alongside three of the greats, who he gets to play with every week.

The Storm half has made it a genuine big four in the spine this year – although, as I was quite rightly correct not so long ago, he is really the fifth player with Jesse Bromwich also in the Victorian capital.

Nonetheless, Munster’s selection in the halves maintains those combination, while Morgan has played all over the shop off the bench and is more than a suitable candidiate to play in the centres.

He is defensively very good, can buck in and do the hard yards with the ball and certainly has the size to play centre.

What it’s hard to agree with is the selection of Ben Hunt off the bench. Daly Cherry-Evans was overlooked because, according to Kevin Walters he would have to have started rather than coming off th bench.

Did someone forget to let him know DCE played Origin from the bench twice in 2014 and did a good job of it? The most in-form competition in the competition was overlooked for a player who was in the Queensland cup just a few weeks ago, and as a New South Wales fan, I couldn’t be happier.

Nathan Cleary’s game needs work
I really rate Nathan Cleary – let’s get that out of the way first. Unfortunately, there are elements of his game that need major work.

He has enough skill to do it though. He will make it big in the NRL, but not the way he is going about it currently. It’s probably part of coach Anthony Griffin’s gameplan, and that’s fine – well, it’s not because the gameplan is pretty ordinary – but Cleary is just turning to the same option again and again.

It’s not like it’s happened once or twice. Nearly every week, Cleary just wants to hoist kicks up into the clouds or put his outside men under pressure with poorly thought out passing plays.

He needs more creativity, more vision and clearly more say in what the team are doing. It looks as if they are being run from the sideline, rather than on the field at times and despite a win on the weekend, the big loss to the Rabbitohs a week ago is still fresh in the memory bank of a side struggling to stay in the top eight.

How terrible was Friday night’s game?
It just about put me to sleep – and I blogged it for The Roar. Seriously, the game was garbage, and the worst possible advertisement for the famous rivalry and NRL as a whole.

There will be more on Souths, because they were trash, but with the Roosters’ Origin players out, they had no right to come away with a win, yet found a way.

It was a mistake-riddled, penalty-a-thon. Both teams lacked direction in attack and neither team defended well. But it was the stop-start nature that sent fans running from their TV screens. Garbage is a word that sums it all up in one go.

The Rabbitohs and Bulldogs are both cooked, and there isn’t a turnaround in sight
Let’s go straight back to talking about South Sydney. Incompetent is a word you could use to describe their ‘effort’ against the Roosters on Friday.

They made errors, gave away dumb penalties at crucial times and were both boring and predictable in attack. Their veterans couldn’t do anything, Sam Burgess gave away one of the worst penalties of the lot and they were generally horrible to watch.

Their first try came through Robbie Farah ten minutes after halftime as he found some lazy marker defence. That came up five sets of mind-numbing attack on the Roosters line.

They offered nothing. Adam Reynolds looked out of play, Cody Walker didn’t touch the ball enough and John Sutton is an over the hill second rower who shouldn’t be playing NSW Cup in the halves.

It might seem harsh, but that’s the way it is.

The Bulldogs, on the other hand, desperate for a win against a Newcastle side who didn’t even go close to winning last week against the battling Wests Tigers put in a similarly insipid performance, but found a way to win – they didn’t deserve to in the slightest though.

Despite Craig Frawley being moved to the starting team – a move many agree with – he was still left out of position at hooker and even the return of Josh Reynolds didn’t help.

Apart from realising how much Canterbury will miss Reynolds next year when he finds himself at the Tigers, there hasn’t been many revelations for the Bulldogs this year. They have played badly, Des Hasler has been re-signed and things are only getting worse with the loss to the bottom of the table Knights.

With completions down and Moses Mbye seemingly in two minds everytime he touches the ball, a turnaround just doesn’t look to be in sight, either this year or next.

Alongside the Rabbitohs, mass changes are needed for next season. Des Hasler has reportedly been threatened with the sack if he doesn’t make the finals, but even that might not be enough.

There is a lot of work to do at Belmore and Redfern respectively.

Manly’s defence makes them a premiership dark horse
Up against a 14-4 penalty count, the Sea Eagles turned up again and again to deny the Panthers on Saturday evening. Only letting two tries in with that sort of a territory split and nursing running injuries is a monster effort.

In fact, it was two tries to two, with only a pair of conversions and a pair of second-half penalty goals proving the difference. Penrith essentially conceded defeat trying to score tries, kicking two penalty goals in the second half to take the lead from four to six and then six to eight.

They made sense, but Penrith had all the running and should have been able to score tries. Instead, Manly just kept turning up, making last ditch tackles and keeping the points off the board.

It’s not the first time they have done it this year, and despite the loss, they still find themselves in the top four. Don’t be surprised if they stay there – Daly Cherry-Evans is on fire and the defence is outstanding.

Manly have all the makings of a team who can make a deep run in September.

The Knights can’t take a trick, but could still get off the bottom of the table
The Knights were the better team for 76 minutes against the Bulldogs. Then there were two tries in four minutes and a missed penalty goal from Brock Lamb off the kick-off to ruin their afternoon.

It’s just incredible how much bad luck the Knights get. Just when you think they are going to win, something amazing happens and they give up the lead to let their opposition back into it.

Honestly, the Knights have a difficult run home and to win two games more than the Tigers will be a tough ask.

But the Knights, who have fought hard, for the most part this season showed last week’s effort was a one-off performance – a blip on the radar, rather than something that might become normal as we approach the end of the season.

It reminded us of 2016 in Newcastle, rather than 2017. Their loss to the Bulldogs reminded us where the team are going and why they will be a force in the next few years.

However, Newcastle play all of the Warriors, Raiders and Dragons on the run home – if they can get one of those three and poach another few from somewhere, chances are they could, at very least bring it down to a for and against situation for the spoon in 2017.

Roarers, what did you make of Round 18? Drop a comment and let us know.

The Crowd Says:

2017-07-10T16:04:45+00:00

Jeff Morris

Guest


The elite clubs know that they will lose players during Origin, why don't they plan for it and build a deep bench?

2017-07-10T14:43:35+00:00

Roger Ramjet

Guest


Need to get rid of a couple of Burgess's I suggest - paid money for old rope as they say the twins - Crowe will be throwing the phone again but this time at McGuire who must be on very very shaky ground to retain his position.

2017-07-10T13:02:44+00:00

Rob

Guest


I agree. Origin is great for the players who are involved and also for the fringe players that gain a start in the NRL.

2017-07-10T12:49:02+00:00

Rob

Guest


Origin provides younger players an opportunity to play NRL that wouldn't normally get the opportunity. I enjoy watching talented youngsters like Brodie Croft, Joseph Manu, Corey Jensen and Jonus Pearson showing their talent. Is it really that bad if your team has a game or two without the stars while Origin is played?

2017-07-10T11:49:24+00:00

Bunney

Roar Rookie


I'm afraid Griffin might be. He took over from the very unpopular Henjak at the Broncs and they shot up to 3rd spot and a real shot at a premiership. All the players raved about him. Then, we didn't go as good the following year, or the following, and our attack became frustratingly monotonous; namely Wallace putting up bombs for Jack Reed...over and over and over again. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the same pattern occur at Penrith. Griffo made tonnes of mistakes at the Broncs, and a number of them appear to be repeating.

2017-07-10T09:44:05+00:00

Rob

Guest


I think Queensland have a lot of improvement in them and they will go into this game with their strongest team of the series. In Origin 1 QLD picked a team on loyalty with some players also playing well below fitness and out of form. NSW were fantastic. Younger players have come into the team and the experience of game 2 will give them confidence. Hess, Glasby, Napa and Holmes will be far more comfortable coming into this game at home. Munster and Morgan in the run on side will improve the attack and defence. As great as JT has been, in Origin 2 he was liability. Origin is all about attitude and finesse doesn't get the result at that level. Ben Hunt might prove to be perfectly suited to the impact role. The referring has become a joke. The game is very simple but the interpretations of the the rules are constantly being abused. The results of this abuse has supporters pulling their hair out. For starters if 2 players from the same team have their hands on the ball someone is off side( Panthers try). That is as basic as it gets. Players need to get to their feet before placing the ball on the ground. Simple. The player with the ball has to respect the pill in contact. Drop it you lose it. Forward passes and knock on's are the same interpretation. The ball must travel backwards. If you are running at 25km/h forward you must pass it >25km/h behind you. Don't talk physics and hand position crap. It's a simple rule ( ball must go back from point A-B) stop making it difficult would be my suggestion. Hand position is a Touch football interpretation and that is probably why players role and step over the ball whilst playing it also.

2017-07-10T08:20:51+00:00

Joe

Roar Rookie


Agree with the officiating in the Manly v Panthers game. Thought Manly were dudded big time, no way they were that bad for it be that lopsided. The worrying thing for Panthers is as soon as Manly were given a penalty in the 2nd half they promptly scored off it. Lucky for the Panthers they didn't get many other penalties.

2017-07-10T08:16:49+00:00

Joe

Roar Rookie


I don't think its correct that Origin made those players superstars. They were going to be superstars regardless of Origin. Same for those players who aren't eligible for Origin like Jessie Bromich and Suli Vunivalu, Semi Radradra and Sam Burgess, those guys are superstars playing in the NRL.

2017-07-10T07:32:40+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


So 3 games a year 'ade' these players but the 20+ they average in actual meaningful games played to actual win a premiership they learned nothing. Got it. Amazing what those Origin coaches can do in a couple practices (I am assuming the chosen squads actually practice before they play) that they can't do with their own squads over 100's of practices throughout the year.

2017-07-10T05:02:52+00:00

Andrew Macdougall

Roar Pro


9th talking point - Wests Tigers didn't lose :)

2017-07-10T04:09:32+00:00

steveng

Roar Rookie


NOIP, 'if teams didn't figure out SOO for 35 years' than don't you think that there is a serious problem with SOO and that SOO is affecting the NRL??? And as 'Lidcombe Oval said, 'Stay off the hootch' as the NRL administrators (who persist with the SOO as it is) must be on the same 'hootch' that you are on!!! lol

2017-07-10T03:55:33+00:00

Jimmmy

Guest


Sorry mate , you are wrong. Billy was no superstar in Origin when first selected, ( bench player with plenty of mistakes in his game) neither Cronk or Smith. They were just young players with ability.. You have it A about. Origin made these guys. Yes, yes , yes they had the talent but Origin developed it to its potential. Have a look at Hess for the Cows. He is very talented for sure but Origin will make him a superstar. Origin my friend made the Storm and thank God those guys were from the right side of the border.

2017-07-10T03:54:31+00:00

steveng

Roar Rookie


A Spot on assessment about Souths Scott!!! Souths were like a bunch of ‘lost sheep’ on Friday and most games this year, the mistakes and the confusion in the side has been astounding and flabbergasting this year. The refereeing didn’t help, especially that he let both sides lay in tackles, slow the play the ball and did and didn’t give or rule crucial stages of that game. But Souths never looked like winning on Friday. I’m very disheartened by Souths and have been now since 2014, when Souths won the comp, seems like it was a fluke. I put my hands up and on my eyes, in shock and horror of what Souths do and how they play and wonder what the future is for us??? Hopefully next year with GI and Gagai it will be different or will it be???

2017-07-10T03:39:33+00:00

Craig

Guest


We are talking that "percentage might decide the 8" and even have commentators saying that a late penalty or try could cost a team a finals berth. Yet teams, like Parra on the weekend are gifted 2 points - they essentially got an extra bye, as have many other teams who faced severely depleted teams. You don't think that has an impact? If you have a 3 week break for origin, instead of 2 byes, it doesn't extend the season by 3 weeks.

2017-07-10T03:37:50+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


Well yeah if that is the case, Griffin is an idiot. Pressure is key to cracking defence such as Melbourne's and although I understand the idea, Cleary has shown and Moylan too that they have a solid short kicking game which should be encouraged.

2017-07-10T03:26:17+00:00

Albo

Guest


I think they must have an instruction not to risk a 7 tackle set via a kick into the in goal, in favour of handing the ball over on the line and relying on their defence to limit the opposition's working the ball out for 6. Same regarding non-competing for bombs (with one exception last Saturday), where they put up plenty of attacking bombs but rarely compete to try to catch them, just hoping for a defender's error to get the ball back. Both seem very negative tactics for a team that then throws the ball around with gay abandonment ? Blake should be given more early ball and let him use his speed and fend to take on his opposite number rather than always relying on a bust by the edge back-rower or inside half break before he sees the ball.

2017-07-10T03:25:30+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


Sorry but that makes no sense. All the players you mentioned had to be superstars to get pick for Origin in the first place. Players don't become superstars because they played in Origin, they play in Origin because they are already stars.

2017-07-10T02:55:45+00:00

Emcie

Roar Guru


They've lost a few close games this season but their effort hasn't dropped as much as the raiders apart from the odd game. You might be right but I don't think Newcastle fans should be giving up just yet. I reckon one thing that the Knights have going for them mentaly is that they havn't been expected to win games like the Raiders have so they've been able to take positives out of loses that other teams havn't

2017-07-10T02:42:45+00:00

AJL.

Roar Pro


They may be playing with plenty of effort, but how do you think losing like that to the Bulldogs will affect their confidence? They'll be mentally wrecked. It's one of the problems the Raiders have right now: low on confidence after a series of close losses, and any belief seemingly destroyed at Bathurst four weeks ago.

2017-07-10T02:41:53+00:00

steveng

Roar Rookie


'no one in particular' hahaaa, your reasoning is hilarious. If SOO is more important than the NRL comp, which is what the NRL have been trying so hard to do (for decades) then its a 'TRAGEDY TO THE NRL' and our great game is in big trouble!!! 'Cat' is right, he's an AFL fan that portrays how superior the AFL is in comparison to the buggerlugs that run the NRL!!! The AFL get 100% more crows and support of their sport in Australia, that includes cities that were die hard RL cities and the support for the AFL is growing every year in those cities, while the support for the NRL is dwindling, in those cities e.g. Sydney with the Swans and GWS!!! SOO is not making NRL crowds grow or the NRL grow!!! Figure that one out and explain the reasons!!!

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