Tahs' Daryl Gibson: 'I'm not a bad coach'

Peter I also think he only is really effective in an under-performing team with underlying talent, due to his limitations. He isn't tactically astute enough to develop a plan to maximize the potential of what he has at his disposal. He merely tries to implement what he knows/suits him.

the difference is Cheika has the ability to get a team to a high level, the trouble is he can't keep them there. He is a great change agent, does what is needed to turnaround the ship, the break down whatever walls are needed. But it seems he is a comet, shoots fast and hot and for a short time and can't adapt or change once others have worked his teams out.

That's certainly my biggest criticism of Cheika as Wallabies coach. The longer he has been in the job, the worse the team has looked and also many of the individual performances.

twas - exactly The more time Gibson has had to mould the team, to select more of the players, to define the style of play and culture the worse they have become.

If you inherit a winning team, clearly it has been capable of winning. Not that much can change in a year. If you inherit a cellar dwelling team there's little to suggest it is capable of winning. Good coaches improve teams' performances, not ride them down the ladder. End of story. Most of the changes that occur, do so due to what the coach puts in place.

Rob Horne commented how surprised he was at the high work rate of wingers when he moved from the centres, for all the reasons Ian relates.

Well going by that logic Cheika had one good season and that evidently doesn't make you a good coach.

WH, you are obviously very passionate about the code and have expressed your reasons why the Tah’s manifestly underperform and are not worthy of their place at the top table. Although I continually have my enthusiasm for the Rebels questioned every time they take the paddock. I’m never deterred or discouraged by their lack of sustainability. The team has heart but not player depth, in critical areas and will only be a contender when this imbalance is addressed. The Tah’s have a very different pedigree, old school, old money and clubs with history; they have a playing register which contains half the Wallabies. But, struggle to produce an 80 minute performance when playing in front of home crowd. If the Force or the Rebels had this level of history and sponsorship the Tah’s future would be in question not the clubs further south or west.

I'm not really having a rack Jez, but being related to someone who know a bit about scrums and has coached NRC... I'm not holding my breath. I hope he does bring something extra to the forwards, because they don't seem to be working effectively together.. but it is a big task. And I agree about Nathan. Not sure why you need him and Gibson. Gibson was a smart defensive centre in his day and helped with the engineering of the Crusaders backline.. so it always seem we had too much overlap in that department but lacking in the forwards area. So I am not totally trashing your idea. I just don't think it is the silver bullet.

That is the point TWAS. You simply have no idea about any of the details or different challenges facing different coaches or how the landscape has changed or even what coaching strengths they have. But seem to be able to determine who is a bad coach based on a base measure which on its own is about as useful as stats. I don't know the finer details either... but the simple formulas put up by some Aussie fans like yourself as irrefutable evidence are seriously lacking. Rennie has had good years and lean years.. so one year he is a good coach next he is garbage and that is with a team with greater talent than the Tahs imho. Deans had a winning record, but is not a good coach according to many Aussie fans. Oh that is right, that's because they were already winning. Which is why Ewen was such an awesome coach because it was after he left (the day after virtually) the team fell apart. In Australia coaches have no legacy but in NZ you don't give coaches respect because the legacy was already laid. I have seen this nonsense spouted here for years. No real understanding just thought bubbles based on scant information. It's a nonsense TWAS on my view, and certainly not the basis by which I would be determine who and who is not a bad coach.. you really appear to have next to no idea

Yep, their north shore private school boys are so much tougher!

He has at least tasted success as a head coach. But then again I am not calling for Daryl's head. All I responded to was that his credentials are open to question given he hadn't been a head coach before and that I was excited about the new guy joining. I'm certainly hoping Cron brings more to the outfit than Grey did.

Shouldn't you be whining about a French ref?

How does the performance compare to what he walked into? A judgement of a coach is generally the differences. The difference is the Waratahs used to win before he was Head Coach.

You begrudge the Shute Shield players getting a career? Bitter nobody.

Huge work rate huh... like up there with an openside or centres. Dagg doesn't have the workrate of say a Brodie... he is just a slippery nippy outside with some exceptional skills.

Yeah, because every head coach can just walk into a team and get them winning all the important games. Look at what Chieka has done with the Wallabies... took them to the finals in the WC. Oh yeah but against Scotland or Fiji not quite so good.... but hey that's ok. He's a top coach and after all most Australian fans know what a good coach is. I mean look at Hansen. He's a grub and useless after all Marto's grandmother could coach the AB's. Much tougher gig coaching the Wallabies. Just don't look too deep I would suggest and everything makes perfect sense. Best coaches in the world are coming out of Aus.

But TWAS, now he is coaching the cream of World rugby... an NRC side. That's enough and he is related to Mick Cron. Must be the best option. He will lead the Tahs out of this mess. Probably should be being appointed as Wallabies head coach with credentials like those.

So is that the new saviour, you're hanging your hat on... and his credentials are...far less than Darryl Gibson's. Oh he is the brother of Mick and coaches senior club footy in Australia. He has definitely a proven option.

'Gibson revealed the Tahs had utilised a sports psychologist this year and would continue to do so.' Gotta wonder if the psychologist is meant to be motivating the players and getting them in 'battle mode' or has been brought in to console their tormented souls. It's clear to all that the Australian super rugby teams players are turning up to collect a pay cheque .. (very few exceptions) Also I just can't get my head around what the vast number of 'specialist' coaches are actually coaching.. cause it's obvious to all that they aren't imparting any knowledge or skills...