Wallabies move up rugby Test rankings

@ biltongbek or else : just sit down and write down all the names of guys in Europe , who are very much in form and then select them. If u can bring FLOW , then u can bring BDP , WLR , FDC , etc etc. also just to piss off Eddie Jones , give a cap to guys like Michael Rhodes and stop them playing for England :)

if u mean Frans Steyn - then he is rubbish at 10. he played 10 for Montpellier v Stade France and was rubbish. the commentary kindly put it - that he is a ball carrying 12 ....

As a rugby fan (and kiwi) I have to say that elton cruelled your chances big time. I feel that even if Morne or Frans or Handre were starting it could have been a famous Bokke win.

I'm stunned by so many posters, whom I have seen to be knowledgeable on this site, floundering around saying " I don't know how this works." Simply go to the World Rugby website and it is explained there. Here is the link https://www.worldrugby.org/rankings/explanation The system is not simple to apply without a calculator, but it's set out there.

i think most system would have about the same result, nz way ahead and eng slightly ahead of a log jam, point is a system that you lose more from a home loss by 1 point than an away loss by 57 to the same team has issues. none of what you say addresses that. i agree that there likely wont be an ideal ranking system. this is why i dont put too much stock in it outside of extended trends like nz has at the moment. doesnt mean there arent issues with the system for those trying to derive significant meaning from it and Harry's example illustrates this well. the issues remain regardless of you stating they dont based on the making an ideal system being difficult.

Bryan Habana was 93kg in his prime.

DdA really looked the goods 2-3 years back. He has the ability to break a tackle, not sure what's happened, a loss of confidence perhaps?

If youwant to play with the rankings, you can here: https://rawling.github.io/wr-calc/ So if the wallabies lose to the ABs in Brisy, they'll drop behind Ireland to fourth. If they win they'll jump up 1.7 points, solidifying their 3rd place. If they win by 15+ they'll gain 2.54! NZ will lose the same amount putting them only 2 ish above England

Leyds shud have a go first from 15. but i think there is a big chance W Galant may be gallanting soon. he has really nice sense and is the right complexion. whatever happened to that Lions wing , who could kick 50m ?? F Steyn is a 12. Montpelier got screwed putting him at 10 against StadeFr.

i think the ref is getting baked , simply becoz he did a top - down rather than a bottom - up. instead of thinking " penalty - yellow - red " , he went red - penalty. the card had no impact on the match - coz it was anyway a penalty. but the bigger issue maybe , there is no consistency at all in these cards. i dont know how or when or why "accidental" thingy came into these decisions. i thought the powers that be said any contact above shoulder is a minimum yellow and head contact is a red.

not really first of all u need to accept IDEAL only exists in dreams. then u need to see if the system provides a reasonable picture of the current situation. one big issue with rugger is , all dont play all on a regular basis , so it is difficult to be sure where exactly teams stand. for eg. NZ and Eng will not play untill end of next year. and then it is just one match i think. or the fate of FIJI , who play very little against top teams on a regular basis. the reality is some teams play against each other a lot and very little against some other teams. unlike in cricket , which is a very balanced system - simply becoz they play each other a lot more.

yes. and had they won by over 15 , the points would be more ( albeit in fractions). there are 3 conditions basically - the rank of ur opponent, home or away (or neutral) , margin of victory. if i recall correct NZ did not gain anything despite beating the Argies , coz they are ranked so low. also its a zero-sum game - when one side gains points , the other side loses the same points.

I think 15 points is the margin where the points trade changes.

If you look at the score, perhaps. If you look at the context of how the match played out Ireland were held up over the line multiple times, and only some incredible All Black scramble defence saved more tries (Barrett on SOB early on, for example). There was also the fact that Fekitoa wasn't red carded, and he was subsequently banned, which was an admission by World Rugby that he should have seen red rather than yellow. The better team won in Dublin, but it wasn't a thrashing by any means. It was a really class and quality test. One of the best of the year.

It is what TWAS said a points trading system, so first and foremost if you lose you can not win points. You can only gain or lose points if you are within 10 points of an opponent, and if you are playing away 3 points gets added on to the home team. I don't know the exact margin but whoever posted about margin is right that it is a factor. So if a team wins and they are within 10 rating points then they will get points. Accordingly what Harry said was correct that when AB's play SA at home no points was on offer (i.e. AB's 95 rating points + 3 = 98 vs SA approx. 85, difference of 13) however SA at home the rating point difference is (AB's 95 vs SA approx. 85 +3 = 88 difference of 7 points). At home AB's would only get rating points from playing England, everyone else it is just lose points. This is why it is tough to have a rating in the 90's.

Agreed. The flak for the ref is only a "what if". In the case that it happened in the first five minutes it would of had more impact. However in the context of the game what hurt the most was the three points which meant the Boks needed to score twice. And as they managed to score once DDA's absence did not hurt so much. However only the staunchest of old school rugby supporters and one eyed South Africans would be arguing that it wasn't a penalty.

I think he plays small. Not saying Macca is big, and he also might get crunched soon ...

He's not a smart player

A 3 tries to none, 12 point away win would be considered a bit of a thumping by a team other than NZ, I suspect.