Eight hot takes from AFL Round 11

By Josh / Expert

I came so close to nine out of nine this week… unfortunately, it’s just eight. In honour of that fact, here’s eight hot takes from the AFL weekend.

Don’t kid yourself, Richmond are still premiership favourites
Richmond’s past three games before Round 11 were all a little below-par given our high expectations for this team, and I’ll admit to having thought they might be falling behind in the race for the flag.

They did win two of those three – against North Melbourne and St Kilda – but the wins probably weren’t by the margins we’d generally think the Tigers are capable of.

It was the loss that really did it though, a virtually uncompetitive performance against the West Coast Eagles at Optus Stadium that saw them cop a 47-point loss.

On the other side of the story on Saturday night, Essendon came into the match having put together two really impressive wins in as many weeks, and Bombers fans would no doubt have been dreaming of making it three.

In the end what looked like a potential classic Dreamtime at the ‘G matchup turned into a bit of a fizzer. We found out this week that name-a-game is being shut down, but I don’t think too many were planning to order this one regardless.

Essendon just didn’t bring that same effort level that we have seen win them games in the past fortnight. Were they a bit tired? It wouldn’t be a surprise given how hard they were working last week and before.

The Tigers on the other hand reminded us that they have more matchwinners than just the big four, and that they are very, very, very hard to beat the MCG.

Given that’s where the grand final is played, surely they are still the favourites to win it.

Especially when you factor in the news that…

(Photo by Adam Trafford/AFL Media/Getty Images)

Crucial injuries could derail Eagles, Dees
The West Coast Eagles look set for a nervous wait on the severity of the ankle injury Jack Darling copped in the opening minutes of Saturday night’s game against St Kilda – Melbourne, on the other hand, already know their fate.

Jake Lever suffered what has been confirmed to be an ACL injury against the Western Bulldogs – his second, having also injured his ACL as an under-18 player – and will miss the rest of the 2018 season.

It’s a real shame for the Demons as Lever’s form, after being a bit slow to start the year, has rapidly improved as the season went on, culminating in an excellent performance against his old club last week.

That said, Melbourne are travelling well enough at the moment that they will still be confident they can go deep into finals even without Lever available.

They’ve got an interesting puzzle to work out as far as replacing him in their backline goes, but one would expect they’ll still be a very competitive side.

Good enough to win the flag? I have doubts, but they’re not new doubts.

Losing Jack Darling for an extended period – if that is indeed what’s on the cards for the Eagles – would be a much bigger blow.

He’s in the conversation as their most important player based on his form to start the year (but probably still No.2 behind Nic Naitanui), and the Eagles didn’t look the same without him on Saturday night.

The injury is unlikely to be so severe as to see him miss the rest of the season but if he’s out a while it could make it difficult for the Eagles to secure a top-two spot or get him into his best form in time for finals.

(Photo by Daniel Pockett/AFL Media/Getty Images)

Dayne Beams bounces back
I could not possibly have more respect for Dayne Beams’ decision ahead of last week’s game to step down from the Lions’ captaincy as he goes through the process of grieving for his father.

I am lucky to be able to say that nothing quite so tragic has ever happened to me, but – like most people, I think – I’ve had my times of poor mental health.

And when I have – in the past – I’ve struggled to speak up about it, and instead suffered in silence. And when I did that, I derailed years of my life. They were years I won’t get back.

If I had spoken up, and let people know that things were getting a bit much, and that I had a lot on my plate, it would’ve made life so much easier.

(Don’t worry about me readers – I’m doing great now!)

Mental health is a problem that effects everyone but (and I say this without intending any disrespect to the struggles of other parties) it is something that disproportionately affects men.

Why? We could talk a lot more about that than we have time for here, but the short version is, well, I can’t say it any better than Taylor Adams did.

I don’t think it’s any coincidence that Beams has played by far the two best games of his 2018 season in the two weeks that have followed this decision.

He had 38 touches and a goal against the Swans last week, then backed that up with 32 touches and five against North this week – wowee. All Australian selection would not be undeserved.

Dayne, I am overjoyed to see you doing well. Thank you for being the role model that we need.

The Roar encourages all readers who may be suffering from mental illness to seek support from organisations such as Lifeline, Beyond Blue or Headspace.

(Photo by Chris Hyde/Getty Images)

Crows’ season on the verge of collapse
In our tipping panel this week we unanimously picked the Adelaide Crows to beat the GWS Giants in the final game of the round, despite their mounting injury problems.

I made my tip before I saw what anyone else had picked and was fairly comfortable with it, but when I saw we were all voting in the Crows’ favour I got very nervous.

Why? Because this was a game that deserved to be close to an even split. Yes, the Crows were at home, and GWS have been poor lately, but the Giants have been getting injured players back where Adelaide haven’t.

In on-field respects I’ve been really impressed by the way Adelaide have coped with their injury crisis – bar last week’s capitulation, they’ve been reliably competitive and often victorious.

Off the field, things get a lot more worrying. There are always questions to be asked when injuries are this widespread, unfortunately, there are rarely any good answers.

There’s been a lot of talk lately about how AFL clubs report injuries and what could be done to make them more honest – in that spirit of honesty, I’ll tell you that it doesn’t bother me much what clubs do.

However, if I was a Crows fan, I would be a bit grumpy with the way Brad Crouch’s injury has been handled this year – the communication between club and fans has been confusing at best.

Unfortunately for the Crows the loss was just big enough to see them tumble out of the eight, and Port Adelaide move up a spot despite having lost this week (while North fell a spot despite winning). Funny old game.

The Power have a game in hand over their South Australian rivals and will be hoping to put some distance between themselves and the Crows by the end of the bye rounds.

Despite there being so much to like about them, finals are no guarantee for Adelaide, and they could be just a few more losses from the edge of disaster.

(Photo by Daniel Kalisz/Getty Images)

Nathan Jones, Tom Lynch, and the value of loyalty
Nathan Jones isn’t a Chris Judd, or a Gary Ablett, or a Patrick Dangerfield. But he’s going to finish his career with something that none of them will – the legacy of a one-club player.

And Jones, of course, has found it more difficult than most to be a one-club player, because mental anguish of being at Melbourne in years past has broken many.

Some went to other clubs and have had varying degress of success, others fell out of the AFL altogether.

As it stands there are only four players on the list who played a game under Mark Neeld – Neville Jetta, Tom McDonald, Max Gawn, and Jones.

Of the four, Jones has been the one who has shouldered the greatest load, playing week-in-week-out, often seemingly as the Demons’ only worthy player.

He may not have some of the superstar attributes that other players do, but there can be no doubt that his mental fortitude is second to none.

That’s something we all know about Nathan Jones by now, and it led Sam Landsberger to make this suggestion on Twitter on Saturday.

What is the value of loyalty in the AFL? Hard to measure it exactly, but I feel like regardless of the answer we could probably agree that it is often undervalued.

It’s not uncommon for players to make a move simply because the money they’re being offered to do so can’t be ignored, but I’m not sure that’s always the right call.

Consider for example a player like Tom Scully. He has more money in the bank right now certainly than he would if he had stayed at Melbourne, no doubt there.

But, just imagine what his profile would be like if he was a part of this Melbourne team right now (assuming that in this parallel universe he isn’t injured).

He’ll undoubtedly make more cash out of his AFL career as a Giant, but I’d wager the post-career opportunities for a star Melbourne player (perhaps a member of a drought-breaking premiership team?) would be a lot more lucrative than for a GWS one.

Unfortunately perhaps that’s why I expect – despite the value of loyalty – Tom Lynch is guaranteed to be playing at a big Victorian club this year.

If Nathan Jones steers the ship of the Melbourne football club through stormy weather to success, you can expect a raucous parade in his honour.

Tom Lynch could never hope for that on the Gold Coast, and that’s why he’ll go.

(Photo by Adam Trafford/AFL Media/Getty Images)

Gary finds form on the Gold Coast
In the past two weeks I’ve expressed some disappointments with Gary Ablett’s form so far in 2018, so it’s only fair after his best game of the year to give the bloke a hand for his performance.

37 touches and three goals was an outstanding best-on-ground effort from Gary, and funnily enough it came at his first game back at Metricon Stadium.

Is there any chance that all those years on the Gold Coast have turned him into a Metricon Stadium specialist? The Cats will certainly be hoping not!

Ablett wasn’t the only Cat to show his claws with the other members of the Holy Trinity chiming in for 33 touches and a goal (Joel Selwood) and 28 touches and a goal (Patrick Dangerfield).

It was arguably one of the most complete performances we’ve seen from Geelong this year, and the result was a clinical 85-point drubbing of the seemingly lifeless Suns.

The massive percentage booster has lifted the Cats up to fifth on the ladder, and they play sixth-placed North Melbourne next week – the winner of that match will be in prime position to pounce on the spot of any top four team that slips up.

(Photo by Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)

Good stuff from the Saints, but no satisfaction
I’m in two minds when it comes to St Kilda’s last fortnight.

On one hand if you asked me two weeks ago whether or not two losses by a combined margin of 41 points would be a good result for the club, my answer would undoubtedly have been yes – because it could easily have been more like 200.

On the other hand, the Saints were a genuine chance to win both games with the form they brought, but couldn’t get it done. They did well when they put themselves in the frame to have that opportunity, but they did poorly when they failed to take it.

In both matches luck fell their way a bit. Richmond and West Coast both lost key players to injury mid-game and for both sides those injuries seemed – at least temporarily – to disrupt the way they like to play.

Richmond eventually recovered from the early loss of Jack Riewoldt to storm home for a win through the good work of Josh Caddy and Nick Vlastuin, while West Coast just seemed to maybe have gotten a little ahead of themselves with one eye on the bye.

In both matches the Saints showed a finishing power we haven’t seen from them all season – they’ve kicked a combined 26 goals, nine behinds over the past two weeks, and both Jade Gresham and Tim Membrey have kicked bags.

So should we be encouraged by their improvement, or disappointed with the fact it hasn’t led to four points? A little of both I guess, and one would hope the mood among the playing group remains positive.

Sydney next week at Etihad Stadium is again going to be a very big ask and possibly more than they can chew, but the Suns in Round 13 represents a golden chance to get their second win of the year if they maintain the rage.

(Photo by Daniel Carson/AFL Media/Getty Images)

Tenacious Ahern has a debut to remember
A lot of players will make their AFL debuts in 2018 but you’d be hard pressed to find one as impressive this year as that of Paul Ahern (though Brodie Mihocek might have a thing or two to say).

29 disposals, seven score involvements, 381 metres gained – he showed his versatility by winning the ball all over the ground, wether it was off the half-back, at the centre bounce, or driving into the forward 50.

And what a special touch that it happened this week, of all weeks.

It’s one thing to come in and play like a pro in your first AFL game but it’s quite another to do it when you consider from just how far back Ahern has come.

He was a top-ten draft pick for the GWS Giants but never played a game for them as two ACL injuries in the space of a year got his career off on the wrong foot.

The fact that the Giants were willing to accept the low price of pick 69 for him in a trade – when he was still a contracted player – says a lot about how much of a challenge he was facing to return to the game.

He has gone from strength to strength since he joined North Melbourne and although it’s been a lengthy recovery, as a fan I’m proud of the club for giving him the opportunity.

Moreso though I must commend Ahern himself for the tenacity he has shown to stick to his recovery plan even when the light at the tunnel must have seemed a great distance away.

It’s a trait that will serve him well in his AFL career. It may have taken him three and a half years to get on the field… I have a feeling it’ll be hard to get him off it.

(AAP Image/Hamish Blair)

Quick and nasty
– In addition to Shane Edwards’ best-on-ground performance on Saturday night and Paul Ahern’s fabulous debut, Shaun Burgoyne deserves a nod for really lighting it up this week in Indigenous Round. He has a habit of doing that, and it’s great to watch.

– On one hand I reckon Cam Guthrie is on a pretty good wicket at Geelong and would be silly to consider moving – he’s a good player, but not anything more than that. On the other, I would’ve said the same of Josh Caddy two years ago.

– I’m a fan of the ‘bonus point for scoring 100 points’ idea, as put forward by Josh Jenkins and Malcolm Blight. Certainly the numbers of how it potentially advantages teams at certain grounds would have to be looked at… but I think it has promise. Sue me.

– I didn’t have anything against Damien Hardwick labelling the goal review system an embarrassment to the game last week, but… so was Alex Rance’s dive this week. I don’t expect him to pot his players in public, but I’d love to know what he’ll do in private.

– Jack Silvagni’s return to AFL level this week was really impressive and a big tick for letting players get hungry in the VFL, of which we have seen several this year. As a competition, I think we’re moving away from the idea that gifting players games at AFL level is the way to develop them.

– There were genuine fears we had seen the last of Dale Morris when injury struck at the start of the year – warms the hear to see him back on the park.

The Crowd Says:

2018-06-05T23:18:52+00:00

Macca

Guest


Rick - I thought I would actually go though the rating for Friday night games on channel 7 (obviously not including foxtel means there are limitations but I think we will get the picture). The lowest rating Friday game was good Friday between North & St Kilda (365k) but I will exclude that as it is technically not a "night game" in "prime time". The next 2 lowest were round 2 and 3 (Coll Carlton 382k and Adel Coll 402k) which both clashed with the Comm Games. From there we have Carlton Bulldogs (463k) Collingwood WB (504k) GWS Geel (509k) Carlton Sydney (in 5th with 517k), Adelaide WB (565k) Haw SYD (575k), SYD Adel (584k) and round 1 Ess Adel (626k). SO if we are lloking for significant factors - the Comm games is clearly the biggest while Collingwood has played in 3 of the 4 lowest drawing games for the year.

2018-06-05T09:08:53+00:00

Chancho

Roar Rookie


you're a good guy AD, it's so good of you to be there for your friend. And that role is difficult in itself, finding the right words to say when there is irrationality and emotion in the mix

2018-06-05T05:34:10+00:00

Tom M

Guest


Being compared to Fuss is the worst insult one can use on a Roar forum!

2018-06-05T05:07:42+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


Not only does it affect retention, it makes attraction harder and the players that are there won't be as conditioned and fit as other sides.

2018-06-05T04:39:02+00:00

Macca

Guest


Rick - "If potentially 5 negative games weren’t enough already (I love how you make that sound minor after only 11 rounds) then perhaps a couple more will." A maximum of 5 out of a minimum of 33 FTA in Victoria (or 15%) is clearly not enough to be a "significant contributor". And if you are going to add local FTA games Carlton participated in to one side of the equation don't forget to add all local FTA games to the other - I am tipping the percentage will go down rather than up. As for 6 FTA games an being Victorian centric the only game that I could think that would have been on FTA would be the Suns game televised into the worst market in the country QLD (The other being, Richmond, North, Collingwood, Adelaide, Bulldogs and Sydney) but if you are relying on games broadcast into local markets only rather than the main market of Victoria I think we can agree you are grasping at straws. It is strange that you "close" proceedings without offering anything to contradict my well supported answer but I suppose even you have realised the futility of your argument.

2018-06-05T04:16:14+00:00

Doc Disnick

Roar Guru


"Actually logic currently says no. The blues have been on free to air TV (the biggest source of TV viewership) only 6 times in 11 rounds making it hard for them to be a “significant contributor” at the best of times we know for a fact 1 of those 6 times the rating were higher than the previous year leaving only 5 games that could be negative." Interesting. Mind explaining to us how Carlton have only been on FTA six times this year? Don't let your VFL/AFL Victorian naivety cloud your judgement when answering that correctly this time either. If potentially 5 negative games weren't enough already (I love how you make that sound minor after only 11 rounds) then perhaps a couple more will. These proceedings are closed.

2018-06-05T03:31:07+00:00

Macca

Guest


Rick - I didn't fudge the figures, I provided what was available. As for you not having to prove anything - you posed the question, I answered it, you don't like the answer but can't provide anything to contradict it. As I said if you want this to be a serious discussion you need to provide proof, otherwise it is just some lightweight snarking at Carlton based on pre-conceived ideas. "Is Carlton the problem in isolation? Probably not. Are they a significant contributor? Logic says yes." Actually logic currently says no. The blues have been on free to air TV (the biggest source of TV viewership) only 6 times in 11 rounds making it hard for them to be a "significant contributor" at the best of times we know for a fact 1 of those 6 times the rating were higher than the previous year leaving only 5 games that could be negative. Even if you included all games the blues have figured in 11 of 87 games - again hard to play a significant role. What logic does say is a significant factor in the over all downward trend - the commonwealth games taking viewers away, the queensland teams (the worst rating teams in the competition) and the rise of streaming services (giving the neutrals more choice than the rubbish commercial stations put up on a Friday night against the footy). But if it makes you feel better to blame the blues go for your life, just don't expect to be taken seriously unless you can support your argument.

2018-06-05T02:57:24+00:00

Jungle Jim

Guest


Exacto-mundo. Darling can be covered by depth as long as we don't become JK-centric, and we shouldn't with other targets including Ryan and Waterman. To say Jacks absence would derail our shot at #2 or beyond is stretching a long bow with a short arrow, if you get my drift?

2018-06-05T02:21:31+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


I agree Macca. Ever go watch a VFL match? It's like a time warp. Mostly huge units crashing packs on small, sub standard grounds, usually windy as hell and never any room for the young kids to use their assets. At some stage the club needs to test the better kids with the elite players and grounds or let them go find opportunities elsewhere like Sydney did with Sam Murray.

2018-06-05T02:07:02+00:00

Doc Disnick

Roar Guru


I'd hope the round 1 game bucked the trend, Macca! Well done on that one. I don't need to prove anything. I'm merely posing the question that everyone else appears to be doing. Don't tinker with the numbers either, Macca. You've compared a five city metro rating between a Sydney vs Melbourne club to a Syndey vs Sydney club. I'm not interested if you're going to continuing fudging your numbers — You remind me of Roy Masters here in Sydney. Secondly, just because the Swans/Carlton match rated higher than one NRL match, doesn't mean they're not down relative to previous AFL rounds. Is Carlton the problem in isolation? Probably not. Are they a significant contributor? Logic says yes.

2018-06-05T01:35:35+00:00

Macca

Guest


Rick - You are yet to provide any evidence that Carlton's rating in particular have been low not to mention whether they have dropped more than the league as a whole. On the 4 "prime time slots" I struggle to think that Carlton Richmond round one was a rating disaster and this article https://mediaweek.com.au/tv-ratings-march-22-2018/ indicates quite the opposite. As I said you would do well to convince me that Carlton Collingwood didn't rate and Aligee posted the following about the Carlton Swans ratings which are again impressive •#1 sport: #AFLSwansBlues 517k ( 5 city) • #NRLSouthsSharks: 376k (5 city) #FoxFooty #AFLSwansBlues 243k #FoxLeague#NRLSouthsSharks 221k So the only game left is the Carlton Bulldogs game which may have been low but possibly says more about the bulldogs than the blues (and given the bulldogs have had as many Friday night games as the blues so far it may indicate who the real problem is). If you want to have a serious discussion on this you need to start bringing some real evidence otherwise you should follow your own advice. Edit I just found this article regarding round 1 https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/glenn-dyer-tv-ratings/ar-BBKA9mq that states that national audience was 1.137m over 7 and foxtel for 2018 while the same game last year was just 1.06m according to this article https://www.crikey.com.au/2017/03/24/glenn-dyers-tv-ratings-160/ (you can just make it out before it fades out. so we have concrete proof that 1 of the 4 "prime time games" bucked the declining trend and actually increased viewers year on year.

2018-06-05T01:11:57+00:00

Doc Disnick

Roar Guru


That article was specifically referenced as it poses the same question of Carlton as I've asked of you. It also refers to the ratings being down in the prime time slots on Thursday and Friday nights. Don't play a game of semantics because I short-changed my comments to just Friday night. Carlton has played in four prime time slots this year as stated, irrespective of when that article was written. Furthermore, it's been reported this week, in the Sydney media, that a further fall of around 17.5% in the AFL ratings has occured, reinforcing this notion further. Now they love bashing the AFL here, so some level of perspective must be added, but it does not exonerate Carlton from further intense scrutiny with regards to this issue.

2018-06-04T22:56:02+00:00

Macca

Guest


Wasn't it Hardwick who said "if you play in the VFL you become a VFL player"? It is hard to teach kids AFL running patterns when they aren't rewarded for them in the VFL due to poor skills and poor players around them. As I said VFL has its place but has its limitations.

2018-06-04T22:51:06+00:00

Macca

Guest


Rick Just because the answer isn't the one you wanted doesn't mean I didn't answer. To be perfectly clear for you the answers are, no, no ,no, winning helps but we are a better destination now than we were in 2015 and you haven't demonstrated the premise of your question is correct.

2018-06-04T22:47:48+00:00

Macca

Guest


Rick - you are correct I can't open that article but I must say your argument is incredibly shoddy. For a start at the time of writing that article Carlton had played in a grand total of 2 Friday night games not 4. 1 of those games was against Collingwood which you will have a hard time convincing me was a poor rating game. According to a Sydney Morning Herald article last week AFL ratings overall are down 13.9% to the end of round 9 which clearly points to a bigger issue than just the blues rebuilding (Netflix anyone?) and is why the question of "If so are they down by more than other teams?” is important. Carlton so far this year are up about 5% in membership and attendance despite "rebuilding". So in short you haven't demonstrated the blues ratings are down, you haven't demonstrated they are down by more than the league average, you overstated the number of friday night games the blues have played by 100% and ignored the increase in Carltons membership and attendance - as I said shoddy.

2018-06-04T22:27:35+00:00

SportsFanGC

Roar Guru


Slane nice mention of Elite Training and Administration Facilities, which has been a massive problem up here in QLD. Until February 2017 the Suns trained in a massive tin shed and their administration were housed in demountable buildings next to Metricon Stadium. It was only once the Queensland Government got to the specific stage of Commonwealth Games building preparations that the Carrara Sports and Leisure Precinct commenced construction, which was completed in January 2017. Unbelievable that for 6 years the AFL allowed the Suns to operate from such an amateur base and then were surprised they had player retention issues? Anyone that has lived in SEQ would understand the issues with heat and humidity and the deplorable situation the Suns were faced with because of Demetriou's arrogance. The facility they now operate from is the equal to any Club in the AFL and house everything required from a Club playing in the highest level of competition in the country. There are still issues that need to be sorted out from list management and player retention but at least the off-field aspect has been sorted. For the Lions they are still without an Elite Training Facility, however money has now finally been allocated for the Springfield Training Base (which will also house their AFLW Side) but this is 2 years away. Currently the Lions are the only AFL Club training in substandard conditions for an AFL Team and there is no doubt this impacts retention. People also need to realise that NRL is the big game in town in QLD - it dominates the news cycle and discussion in offices. Players that want/need recognition from their AFL celebrity are not going to get it up here hence the desire to play footy in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth.

2018-06-04T21:12:43+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


If a kid learns how to play and kick when the conditions aren't good, they'll be that much better when they are. State league time is good for all players.

2018-06-04T13:08:01+00:00

Doc Disnick

Roar Guru


"Rick – are Carlton game ratings down? If so are they down by more than other teams?" This comment must have been under moderation. Didn't see if originally. https://myaccount.news.com.au/sites/heraldsun/subscribe.html?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&mode=premium&dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldsun.com.au%2Fsport%2Fafl%2Fchannel-7-audience-for-friday-night-afl-matches-on-slump%2Fnews-story%2Ffd1bd7e54f49f9a5273eb56505801e32%3Fnk%3Dc8477456a9981bfaecca8bd9a7a4ce4d-1528117334&memtype=anonymous&v21=pn&v21suffix=pn Not sure if you'll be able to access it. The title says it all though. Considering the Blues have been involved in an astounding 4 out of 11 Friday night games thus far, I'd say it's a fair question I'm posing, irrespective of whether other games are down. You decide if 'rebuilding' is affecting the ratings from those figures.

2018-06-04T12:48:47+00:00

Doc Disnick

Roar Guru


Do I strike you as the type of person that hides, Macca? I'll answer any question (unlike your evasion of 5 straight questions with BS) you pose to me. Just write it in a manner that makes sense. You enjoy another two years of mediocrity. Let's all hope the Blues blow our nuts off by 2050. I can't wait!

2018-06-04T12:03:50+00:00

Macca

Guest


I know you like to hide rather than answer a simple question when you know you can't support a statement. On clubs "rebuilding quicker" it is no coincidence that the introduction of free agency and the expansion teams happened around the same time as teams finding it harder to rebuild fast. But the blues have tried to rebuild fast before and it resulted in a short term hit, this time I am happy they are being patient (as every "expert" implored them when they started n 2015) and following the Geelong method - it might take a little longer but it will be more permanent.

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