There are too many teams in Sydney. All but one must be culled

By Theo / Roar Rookie

The way a sports team connects with a city, especially when it has history, can transcend cynicism.

The demographics of Sydney makes it difficult for a local team to dominate. The city attracts people from all over the country, and they bring their favourite teams with them.

We’re competing against Brisbane and Melbourne and Canberra and all the rest of teams as much as we are Sydney. One team presents an acute challenge.

In this market, Sydney needs to be standing out in front raising their hand saying, “We’re here.”

This is actually getting to how you build a fan base brick-by-brick, fan-by-fan, and get people to understand what Sydney represents. It’s a very crowded landscape. It’s going to take time. The way you do it, you play good football.

You have players who people not only recognise but they like and understand. You have a coach who brings a good style of play.

And the relationship with sport becomes deep and simple.

My main theme for this post being the case for a Sydney representative team playing in the national competition fed from the existing Sydney teams.

Player selection could be similar to the way the City team was selected to play against Country in the defunct fixture, the difference being they would be playing in the national competition against teams outside of Sydney.

I’ve heard the argument that if you dropped the Sydney clubs into a feeder competition, the fans of those clubs will abandon the game because Sydney league fans aren’t interested in coming together to support a common cause.

I’m outward looking and believe people support their city, state, and national representative players and teams. We look inward to elevate those type of players and it works to have Townsville, Brisbane, Gold Coast, Newcastle, Canberra, Melbourne, Auckland… Sydney would work as well.

The opportunity became available in 1998 when the NRL formed and there were 20 teams which proved too many because of quality reasons.

There’s a time for everything. The swell has grown and the wave is ridable. It has been for a while.

Having a look at the number of finals teams from Sydney have won since 1982, the year rugby league opened its doors to the world outside of Sydney, I would probably expect a Sydney representative team to be at the top of the final wins list.

The Roosters are just one of many teams from Sydney. (AAP Image/Craig Golding)

The wins for Sydney teams as individuals appear to be fractured and there’s a long waiting time whereas united they would probably be whole and frequent.

I say probably because with one team representing Sydney the door is open for players seeking higher reputation opportunities with teams outside of Sydney rather than settling for playing in a feeder team. This means the rest of the teams in the national competition can pick up those players and strengthen their own. It also opens the door for expansion into areas such as Adelaide and Perth, and raise the reputation and credibility of the league considering more than half the teams in the national competition are from Sydney.

For quality reasons, we would have eight teams to start with: Townsville, Brisbane, Gold Coast, Newcastle, Canberra, Melbourne, Auckland, Sydney. A total of 21 rounds, one home match, one away match, one match at a probable expansion area, maybe Adelaide and Perth. Never know, cities may grow and warrant selection for inclusion in the future. People might argue the validity of Auckland and have a point and why not have an Oceania competition.

What would happen if there was one team representing Sydney?

The surplus of players who can play first grade and miss out would probably go to other teams outside of Sydney rather than settle for a lower reputation league. Or maybe not.

What if teams outside of Sydney were at full strength and do not take the surplus from Sydney?

From what I understand there’s no salary cap on state teams and national teams. Example, selectors don’t say to a player. On the contrary, selectors want epic players playing and epic coaches coaching for quality reasons, but for some reason, there is a salary cap on clubs.

Which brings us to the question of qualification criteria for the national competition team, example Sydney, considering the criteria for New South Wales and Australia and keeping the selection model consistent.

I like the geographical model that says if you’re registered to a club in that city, that state, that country, then that’s who you’ll represent. There are players who miss out on state selection because there’s one state team, there are players who miss out on national selection because there’s one national team.

This creates a surplus. Surpluses are dealt with much the same way as immigration. People leave to find opportunity elsewhere and this could be a good thing for the sport.

The Crowd Says:

2019-02-22T22:54:00+00:00

Jay Wright

Roar Rookie


So what I can badmouth the Barry, why not he does it to everyone else

2019-02-22T22:52:50+00:00

Jay Wright

Roar Rookie


And there you have it the Barry runs this site

2018-12-14T06:25:14+00:00

1st&10

Guest


Cronulla Sharks - first on the chopping block - The Teflon team must go ASAP

2018-11-04T19:51:25+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


Why don’t you just comment on the article instead of cyber stalking me under different aliases...? It’s really weird, obsessive, stalky behaviour. Now you’re pretending to have an argument with yourself...get help.

2018-11-03T05:20:08+00:00

Old mate bigJ

Roar Rookie


Still can’t except the truth can you Barry???? You pathetic m0ron!!! Jonesy, didn’t I tell you to avoid this delusional freak at all costs. Some people don’t listen

AUTHOR

2018-11-03T00:21:12+00:00

Theo

Roar Rookie


I had a dream for a full season format at different levels. State competition match played Tuesday, state v state competition match played Wednesday, international competition match played Thursday. Personally, that's interest for Saints Tuesday, New South Wales Wednesday, Australia Thursday.

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2018-11-01T22:33:01+00:00

Theo

Roar Rookie


For a full season format, there's a choice of the existing regional model, the state v state model like the national cricket competition, separate state competition with the top teams from each state playing against each other at the end of the year. There are strengths and weaknesses with each model.

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2018-11-01T22:19:42+00:00

Theo

Roar Rookie


"People who have a clue on how to bring more fans to grounds." If there was no live coverage and just tv replays through the week may fix that problem.

AUTHOR

2018-11-01T05:02:38+00:00

Theo

Roar Rookie


I do eat chicken from time to time. The problem I have is being in Sydney, Easts win felt no more than 25%. If my team had won, Saints, I would have felt 100%. And this is the scenario I face consistently. The wins in the final, overall, Sydney teams exceed the wins from teams outside Sydney, but the wins individually as say Saints, or Canterbury, Manly, etc. are fractured and there’s a long waiting time whereas united they would probably be whole and frequent.

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2018-11-01T04:45:46+00:00

Theo

Roar Rookie


"Maybe it’s a case of the employees wanting a pay rise of $20 per hour and the employers offering $10 per hour and the Commission enforcing $10 per hour." should read, Maybe it’s a case of the employees wanting a pay rise of $20 per hour and the employers offering $10 per hour and the Commission enforcing something between $10 to $20 per hour."

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2018-11-01T04:40:18+00:00

Theo

Roar Rookie


The A-League's initial policy believe it or not was to have one club per city but gave way to another in Sydney, and another in Melbourne. Maybe it's a case of the employees wanting a pay rise of $20 per hour and the employers offering $10 per hour and the Commission enforcing $10 per hour. I just think that many teams from one city, and cities missing, harms the credibility. But as they say, can only win against what's there. There is the idea of just having a NSW competition and Queensland competition run separately with the top teams from each state, be it 1, 2, 3, 4, playing against each other at the end of the year. That's another representative model. It's not going to stop me from liking the sport and taking an interest if it stays the same or changes. It's entertainment and there's a team for everybody and rugby league ain't the only sport in the world. Indeed I think a balanced approach would be to have an interest in different sports and treat them as a sports portfolio. Kind of like investing in an index fund. I supported different Sydney teams before Illawarra entered 1982.

2018-11-01T04:02:28+00:00

Sambo

Guest


No

AUTHOR

2018-10-31T21:14:23+00:00

Theo

Roar Rookie


The geographical model does work in politics to the extent there is one representative to parliament per region.

AUTHOR

2018-10-31T21:09:29+00:00

Theo

Roar Rookie


Thanks Moth. We all have our level and just because we may lose, it doesn't mean we have to like it. It does mean there is something to do tomorrow.

2018-10-31T12:45:57+00:00

Moth

Roar Rookie


We could call it something along the lines of Super League and play the game in China, Oh wait... In all seriousness though it sounds good in theory but it will never happen. Fans will revolt, the players union would go mental, ex players and commentators would blow up as would the media. Channel 9 and foxtel would say no. Stadiums have 10 plus year leases. And who funds the cap and the clubs. The only way it would work is to get private owners and that will never happen. What we need is better people in the corridors of power. People who have a clue on how to bring more fans to grounds. Until that happens we will be little brother to AFL

2018-10-31T09:35:16+00:00

Robert Szemeti

Roar Rookie


Your idea only works as geographical map pin pointing to suggest sydney (where the NSWRL was founded, which became ARL,then now NRL) Should only have one team, This is too finite of an idea, yes less team in sydney could make expansion easier, but to have only one team, no way, rivalries are needed, the chaos that is sydney Id be looking at dropping maybe 2 clubs to reserves and permanently have dragons in wollongong That should be enough A league is the game your thinking of

AUTHOR

2018-10-31T04:09:47+00:00

Theo

Roar Rookie


Well, it's not my intention to get my comment count up. Why? Is there a prize? The remainder of the teams outside of Sydney don't have the same travel problem?

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2018-10-31T03:52:10+00:00

Theo

Roar Rookie


The cause The Barry. Getting paid to participate in sport is nothing more than glorified exercise. People who do should count their blessings for their physical prowess. Where there's a winner there's a loser and if the financial measurement is the success indicator, I'm a loser being on $458 per week disability pension income. In sports talk, I'd be at the bottom of the table.

2018-10-31T03:24:24+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


Is this a giant p1ss take? That’s becoming the only explanation for how random and bizarre some of these questions are. Commitment to the cause if it is. It’s still a bad idea because you’re alienating most of Sydney, losing critical corporate support in Australia’s biggest market, decreasing the value of the product from a TV revenue point of view, making pathways more difficult and giving up ground to other sporting codes. There’s probably a way that a national competition could be structured with say five or six Sydney teams that could work but would also potentially faces a lot of these same problems. Like a lot of these models the real challenge isn’t necessarily the end product but how we successfully get from here to there without tearing the game apart. But a one Sydney, one Newcastle, one Adelaide, etc model just doesn’t work. 17 player squads is lunacy. Locals only is impossible.

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2018-10-31T02:08:12+00:00

Theo

Roar Rookie


Also, where do clubs get their players if they have injuries, suspensions, loss of form, which forces them to go outside the maximum 30 squad size during the season?

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