Are the Adelaide Crows winning the Patrick Dangerfield trade?

By Ryan Buckland / Expert

Acquiring a prime age AFL superstar has been a fraught and surprisingly fruitless exercise, according to recent history.

Is Patrick Dangerfield set to join the list of names who’ve failed to win a flag after flying from their first home?

This column was sparked by a spicy hot take by a member of the Super Secret Footy Wonk Chat Group who shall remain nameless, who was marvelling at the work of his Adelaide Crows at the weekend. With gusto, said member lobbed this hand grenade into the group.

Hot take: the Crows are in with a chance of winning the Dangerfield trade by the end of Milera’s career

The Patrick Dangerfield trade took place in the 2015 offseason. Not to re-litigate the past, but at the time I wrote quite a lengthy column looking at the then-Adelaide midfielder’s options and concluded staying at the Crows was his best football situation.

(I should not have said the words “I predict he stays” or whatever it was at the end of it because for one how am I to know and two it was pretty clear all along he was moving home)

Guess what folks? Impossible counterfactual aside, this year is looking like it will provide evidence I was (impossible counterfactual aside, ok) maybe right! Broken clocks and all that.

If you take the markets at face value – generally a good idea, except when it comes to picking the actual premiership winner – Adelaide is more likely to win this year’s premiership than Geelong. Public and pundit sentiment towards the Crows is somewhat bullish, whereas it is bearish towards the Cats. This column supports that view.

Indeed, Adelaide look like one of the best value picks in the competition if that sort of things floats your boat. The Crows’ profile as a premiership contender in almost every way you conceive.

They even finished in close proximity to the fabled 13th spot on the ladder which has given us three grand finalists and two premiers in the past three years.

The top of Adelaide’s midfield is among the competition’s best. Few teams can hit with the frenetic ground ball pressure of Rory Sloane, Matt and Brad Crouch, Hugh Greenwood, and Bryce Gibbs. Their midfield depth is itself deep given the names above: Richard Douglas, David Mackay, Rory Atkins, Cam Ellis-Yolman all play mostly anonymous roles, and can be maligned as a result, but help hold the team together.

Myles Poholke of the Crows celebrates with his team mates (Photo by Daniel Kalisz/Getty Images)

Off half back and on the wings, the Crows again have quality. What’s more, Rory Laird, Tom Lynch, Brodie Smith and Paul Seedsman can flex into at least two positions and play them at a very high level.

Laird and Lynch, in particular, are somewhat unique pieces that can help coach Dom Pyke go big or small up forward or down back as required. Wayne Milera is set for a huge year; if he hits where he seems to be headed shortly the Crows have four legitimate half backs that can flex higher up the ground. It’s really quite impressive, particularly given Adelaide’s style of play.

That’s before we talk about the forward line, which looks flush with options and combinations. Even if Eddie Betts has entered his decline curve – he’s the 19th oldest player in the competition by the way – the Crows have plenty of small and pacey options coming through their list. Indeed, they acquired Richmond’s Tyson Stengle with this specific spot in mind.

Eddie ‘Old Man’ Betts of the Crows celebrates after kicking a goal. (Photo by Morne de Klerk/Getty Images)

Defensively the key posts are sorted with Daniel Talia and Tom Doedee. The small defender spots are mostly in hand, although the injury to Luke Brown is a sizeable blow; the Crows mostly defend with numbers in the back half on the deck as it is.

Ruck is a problem, but when was the last time the ruck spot held any team back from winning the flag? As this column and many others have said across The Roar, you either want a ruckman who makes a sizeable difference or you don’t care about the spot. The Crows had one of the first real modern ruck workhorses in Sam Jacobs, but he’s ageing like most 200cm, 100kg AFL-level footballers: not so well.

The hang up? It’s hard to find a real one, which is to say Adelaide’s 2018 flame out is not a real hang up. Remember this time last year when Melbourne’s players revolting against coach Simon Goodwin and refusing to partake in some preseason camp activities was a sign the club was in turmoil and they couldn’t be taken seriously?

That take aged as well as well most takes by those people.

If anything Adelaide’s 2018 should be supporting their surge back up the ladder. Amidst all the fugazi with Collective Minds, Adelaide was absolutely wrecked by soft tissue injuries, to the point the club never got out of first gear. Indeed, as the Crows got their players back on the park, it all came together: 6-3 (albeit with a skinny eight-point point differential) in their last nine, including wins against West Coast and Geelong in Rounds 15 and 17.

Brown’s injury aside, Adelaide’s ride on the injury luck rollercoaster is much more joyous than terrifying to start 2019. That, plus a fixture that figures to be in the bottom four in terms of difficulty (double ups against Port Adelaide, St Kilda, Gold Coast, Geelong and West Coast) puts the Crows in a strong position for a top four finish. And from there they have shown their game plan is strong enough to make it to the last game of the year.

To get there, Adelaide will have to dislodge at least one of last year’s top eight. Geelong is one of the candidates.

That’s got very little to do with Dangerfield himself. As we noted in The Roar AFL Top 50 last week, there aren’t many players who can run point through the middle – as a follower or a centreman – for 70 per cent of match time, and then go and play as a leading forward and kick a few goals a game. This season instead may end up being a referendum on the help that came with him.

Dangerfield was acquired in the 2015 offseason. It was a big one for the Cats, which saw them trade for Lachie Henderson and Zac Smith, and bring in Scott Selwood via free agency. Geelong also drafted mature age player Sam Menegola with pick 66 (a bargain in every sense). Henderson is reportedly battling with a cavalcade of Geelong backs for a Round 1 spot, Smith is certainly out due to injury, and Selwood’s troublesome lower leg issues have certainly followed him from West Coast.

Patrick Dangerfield. (Photo by Michael Dodge/Getty Images)

The Cats have been carefully straddling the line between overinvestment in today and additional investment in tomorrow for almost a decade. At some point, the portfolio risk will rise to a point where some small external shock will hit them hard. Or something like that, just roll with it.

It could very well be this year. By the end of 2018 Geelong’s game plan struggles came to a head regularly. Coach Chris Scott has his team playing a turtle-heavy ball control game plan, which is quite contrary to the broader league trend of territory and forward pressure. To wit, the Cats had the third largest difference between their uncontested mark tally in wins (87.5 per game) versus losses (65.7 per game) in the league, and the fifth largest difference in scoring shots per minute of possession in wins (0.552) versus losses (0.499).

Geelong’s need for some zip in the forward half has been long known. It was the critical subject covered in this column’s long look at the Cats ahead of the 2018 season. The need is still present, and it will rely on a wholesale change by Scott and his crew to make it happen.

Sending Gary Ablett forward is not part of that change, though it is welcome. It is fitting that as we creep closer to the first ballot Hall of Famer’s exit from the professional game that he can get a chance to kick bags at Kardinia Park once again. He should, and will. But it might be for a team that goes 11-11 and misses the eight.

Superstar trades are super for some
Ablett, Dangerfield, the Crows and Geelong and that long, windy diversion brings us back to the start of the column: superstar trades.

As best as this column can tell, there have been eight “superstar” player acquisitions which have occurred over the past 15 years. These are below.

Nathan Brown (2003): Western Bulldogs to Richmond
Chris Judd (2007): West Coast to Carlton
Luke Ball (2009): St Kilda to Collingwood
Gary Ablett Jr (2010): Geelong to Gold Coast
Brendon Goddard (2012): St Kilda to Essendon
Lance Franklin (2013): Hawthorn to Sydney
Patrick Dangerfield (2015): Adelaide to Geelong
Tom Lynch (2018): Gold Coast to Richmond

There are some which may qualify in the eyes of readers. Shaun Burgoyne leaving Port Adelaide for Hawthorn perhaps, but he was supposed to be on his way out the door with a crippled knee. Brad Ottens had made one All Australian team and was a tier below these guys at the time he was traded. Jason Akermanis was past his prime by the time he moved to the Dogs.

Back to that list. That list. For the first five players on that list, did the acquisition work out as they would have hoped? For everyone except Luke Ball, the answer has to be no.

Nathan Brown’s experience shows it can be down to bad luck. A leg break robbed the Tigers of a Robin to Matthew Richardson’s definitive Batman.

Chris Judd, Gary Ablett and Brendon Goddard show it can be down to bad club management, albeit in very different ways. Carlton’s failure was in what they did to build around Judd, particularly towards the back end. Gold Coast’s failure was everything. Essendon’s failure was everything too.

That leaves the Ball experience at Collingwood. He moved to the Pies after a losing Grand Final, and then won one against his old club as the Pies hit their straps under Michael Malthouse.

Franklin’s time at the Swans has bought sustained success, although that is Sydney’s way. They too have a challenge ahead of them this year if markets are to be believed, and this column remains firm in its view this year could be the one year out of ten the Swans spend figuring stuff out outside of the eight.

Then again that was supposed to be 2016, 2017 and 2018. For it all, the premiership tally for Sydney with Franklin reads zero, and for Hawthorn without Franklin two.

Geelong won a premiership without Ablett, and reached three preliminary finals. Gold Coast is a bad six weeks away from collapsing on itself.

Joel Selwood, Patrick Dangerfield and Gary Ablett. (Photo by Michael Dodge/Getty Images)

West Coast won a premiership without Chris Judd and with the pieces their trading of him bought. Carlton made the finals a couple of times. The Bulldogs made preliminary finals without Brown as the Tigers languished. St Kilda hasn’t done a lot in the post-Goddard world just yet, and look not every pattern is perfect.

The point is perhaps that timing means a bit when it comes to bringing in a superstar player in the AFL. Ball to the Pies seems to have worked because the Pies were just on the up and ready to ride the peak of a five-year wave. Franklin to the Swans has worked because they are the Swans and their list – to this point – has profiled like a contender.

Dangerfield to the Cats. Was the timing right? Have the Cats tread a well worn and lonely AFL path without even knowing it? Are the Crows – shockingly – going to win a premiership after trading away a superstar player? In a season full of intrigue, and mystery, and questions, don’t sleep on this one.

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The Crowd Says:

2019-04-08T08:30:28+00:00

Parer Ben

Roar Rookie


Three games in and this comment wins the contest for zero correct predictions ????????????

2019-03-12T13:11:39+00:00

Shane

Guest


Lol, Milera got them to the final? Righto.

2019-03-12T13:03:00+00:00

Shane

Guest


Ryan, not your best work. For an article about winning trades there is very little analysis on the actual outcome of the trades. I can't see anyone from pick 9 in the draft that comes even close to the benefit of Dangerfield, and nor can I see anyone between 28 and 50 that would have added to our list. Dean Gore is back playing in our VFL side for zip. Geelong clearly wasn't interested in the talent in the 2015 draft, with our first selection at 59, and the inspired Menegola pick at 66. So there is no way Geelong "lost" the trade, we didn't want what was on offer for those picks anyway. Of course, Adelaide "won" the trade as soon as we went to the table. Danger was a free agent and there is no doubt he could have gone for no picks at all from Geelong. It is a moot point to say who is closer to a flag, although your faith in the Crows is built on clay feet in my opinion. Noone wins or loses a flag based on one trade alone.

2019-03-09T21:10:45+00:00

Rex

Guest


“no question” in your mind - that doesn’t make your statement true. If Milera plays his entire 12 year career at the AFC and ends up with a flag or even GF appearances and is a high caliber player for most of that, even if not quite at the same level as PD then the AFC still win the trade. Don’t forget, AFC already own half PD’s career and atm have the rights to father / son. Geelong get half a career and likely no GF appearnces

2019-03-09T05:39:13+00:00

Tommygunn

Roar Rookie


Milera is every chance of winning a Norm Smith, it will happen like this: playing the year at half back, Milera is thrown into the midfield for the finals series, and dominates clearances out of the middle on GF day, 2019. Then Adelaide win the trade.

2019-03-09T04:27:56+00:00

OK John!

Roar Rookie


Depends who you ask I guess? But if you break it down to have either team improved since the trade? Or are they closer to a flag now than before? For mine, Adelaide has....perhaps just. Getting Bryce Gibbs in, keeping Rory Sloane, and finding alternatives to the midfield group, keeps them around the mark. For Geelong, they have been treading water for awhile now, while keeping their head above the tide. I am not sure trading for seasoned veterans is sustainable long term, and eventually, as you mentioned, it will take it's toll. So for me, Geelong are probably further away then they have been for awhile. However, would Adelaide still like to have Danger's line breaking speed as he kicks this way and that, probably....

2019-03-08T22:55:29+00:00

Spanner

Roar Rookie


Well said AD - Ken Mc. was a highly regarded draft choice with good bloodlines and served AFC well. Pavlich was overlooked by other clubs as well - he certainly didnt have have reviews but he certainly proved himself a champ !

2019-03-08T08:39:19+00:00

Nick Croker

Roar Guru


Why is is distasteful to evaluate the decision making of clubs? That’s a strange comment to me - not trying to be rude but can you explain what you mean by that? Saying that a team made or good or bad decision is off limits? Beyond the bounds of taste? I’m confused

2019-03-08T05:27:13+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Did someone say my name Rex?

2019-03-08T00:49:18+00:00

RT

Roar Rookie


You’re wrong! Round 6 is irrelevant when it comes to September. I’ve said it many times on this site, Adelaide were not in their best form in 2017 going in to finals. Like Richmond last year, though Adelaide were worst in 2017. The GF is played at the MCG so that point is moot. As for the place of birth of the umpires, I can’t believe anyone checks that stuff.

2019-03-08T00:06:18+00:00

AD

Guest


I've never really understood the whole "Imagine if the Crows had taken Pavlich instead of McGregor" thing. I mean, I understand it in that Pavlich turned out to be a much better player than McGregor. But the fact is that nobody drafted Pavlich in 98 - it wasn't just the Crows that passed on him. From what I recall, clubs were allowed to draft 1 17-year old each. McGregor might not have been one of the all-time greats, but he still played 150+ games and had a solid career. Leaving interstate clubs out of it, over on the other side of town Port took Adam Morgan who played 3 games for them, plus another 14 for the Bulldogs. But somehow McGregor is the dud in this debate?

2019-03-07T13:56:23+00:00

Guest

Guest


How do you include Luke Ball in this scenario and not Bryce Gibbs? Though it does make the premise of the article a little harder to get across.

2019-03-07T09:30:39+00:00

Rex

Guest


I guess the old “IMO is like butt holes” while everyone has one, only a few carry the truth. I don’t agree with yours LOL!

2019-03-07T09:27:23+00:00

Rex

Guest


Well - don’t brag about it Ryan, write your controversial piece - that’s what all the other paid scribes around AUST do!/

2019-03-07T09:21:08+00:00

Rex

Guest


Is about “as far away” as richmond we’re to the Crows in the minor round round at Adelaide Oval a fair comparison. And still, though the Crows were the higher ranked team they had to play the decider in vic against a Victorian side with vic umpires! Tell me I’m wrong!

2019-03-07T06:31:56+00:00

Paul D

Roar Guru


Fair play, you have made neither of those specific claims so I've re-read it and here’s the thrust of the article as I see it – by about 2030 when Wayne Milera retires, Adelaide might have done better than Geelong out of the Dangerfield trade that by that stage will be 14 years ago Adelaide have a really good side – here’s all their players pre-season malcontent is no basis for writing off a side because Melbourne recovered well from their camp tantrums adelaide had a bad run with injury and have a soft draw in 2019 one of 8 sides will need to make way for them – Geelong is a candidate, but despite Dangerfield being in the headline, the reasons geelong might miss the 8 actually has nothing to do with him as he’s an outstanding, almost unique player geelong are slow, have a turtle-like gameplan, ablett might kick lots of goals but they could still miss the 8 most superstar player trades have bombed, largely for reasons they have nothing to do with the player basically you seem to have written an article about the Dangerfield trade that actually addresses nothing about the Dangerfield trade and even specifically states that Geelong’s season rests largely on the backs of players who aren’t Dangerfield It doesn't seem to go anywhere. It has a lot of outstanding pieces, but no central thrust - in that sense it's sort of like Geelong's list and gameplan I guess

2019-03-07T06:04:59+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


He was also hardly joining the Suns. He went to one hell of a well run footy club who have mostly seriously contended for the past fifteen years while racking up three flags.

2019-03-07T05:40:42+00:00

Professor X

Guest


Dangerfield wasn't weak. He was out of contract given Adelaide eight years of service and 154 players. He had given it a good go.

2019-03-07T05:12:13+00:00

Rowdy

Roar Rookie


I was hoping Barrie Robran and Michael Aish were still a chance.

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2019-03-07T04:30:49+00:00

Ryan Buckland

Expert


Paul I like to think you are a Roar reader who engages with the substantive portion of articles instead of the stuff at the periphery. Where do I say Adelaide won the trade? Or that Geelong made a mistake?

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