Eight talking points from NRL Round 11

By Scott Pryde / Expert

Upsets. Upsets and injuries. Just when you think you have the NRL all figured out, it turns out you really, really don’t. Here are my talking points from Round 11 of the competition as we all get set for the Origin window.

All of a sudden, the Blues look a whole lot less certain for Origin as Newcastle become the real deal
Look, it’s unfathomable to me why Mitchell Pearce has been an abject failure as an Origin player. It really is. He is such a good club player, as proven again, for about the hundredth time on Friday night as the Knights demolished the Roosters.

I doubt he was going to get picked this year anyway, given the Blues have gone in another direction, but with injuries piling up on the weekend, he suddenly didn’t look like all that bad of an option.

And not just because he had guided the Knights to victory over the defending premiers either, but because his form this year has just been phenomenal, particularly during these last five weeks as the Knights have gone on a run.

Unfortunately for Pearce though, he is looking at a stint on the sidelines which will rule him out of Game 1.

Joining him in the casualty ward is Luke Keary, who was taken out of the game on Friday night with yet another concussion.

It’s a major concern for Keary, who needs to find a way to stop having head injuries before it brings with it a negative impact on him in life after footy.

Regardless, Keary was first picked before his injury and now won’t be there.

Luckily, Adam Reynolds was cleared of a fracture, but with Nathan Cleary and James Maloney both out of form at the struggling Panthers, despite their win this weekend, Brad Fittler is going to have knockers whichever way he decides to select.

By the time you read this, the Blues side will probably have already been picked. However, the point being made is that their options aren’t as plentiful as they were just a few days ago, and all of a sudden, a series victory doesn’t look quite so easy.

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Can we please use the sin bin consistently?
It shouldn’t really be that hard. Most of the time, it’s pretty much black and white what needs to happen in relation to using the sin bin.

But the referees just don’t seem to get it. At all.

Now, I get that some reckon the Jared Waerea-Hargreaves tackle wasn’t actually a problem on Friday night. The argument is there that he was already committed to tackling Kalyn Ponga before the ball was kicked, but if you look at the footage, he has taken at least two steps after the kick, and the arm has gone out late.

Worse than that, it was shoulder to head sort of contact, which ruled Ponga out of the rest of the game.

Now, based on some of the events we have seen this year, with the sin binning of Michael Jennings and Maika Sivo standing out from the rest, Waerea-Hargreaves probably should have been up the tunnel for a sit down.

Instead, there was apparently ‘nothing wrong with the tackle,’ which, for mine, is a joke. It wasn’t high, but it was unbelievably late, and having looked at the footage multiple times, my opinion that bit of evidence won’t be swayed.

The match review committee agree as well, although Waerea-Hargreaves might actually consider himself lucky to have only got a Grade 1 charge levelled against him.

Carry over points mean he will miss two weeks, but this is about consistency of the game, and the sin bin hasn’t been used properly or consistently this year.

And it’s not just on contact on kickers. It’s on the line defence.

I’ve rattled on about this before, so there is no need to re-hash it too much, but the fact of the matter is that slow play the balls on the goal line because a defender is having a nap in the ruck is an awful look for the sport.

There have been multiple instances this year where the sin bin should have been used, but for whatever reason, it hasn’t.

The David Klemmer sin bin with 18 seconds to go on Friday was comical, in that it was more of a token gesture from the referees after multiple ignored occurences throughout the contest.

The penalty crackdown, and the sin bin crackdown that came with it last year, is all but a distant memory for players, coaches and referees, and games are being played like it.

It’s time for the referees to get it right, and stop treating this part of the game with absolute contempt.

Upsets, upsets galore
Away from the refereeing and the injuries, what a crazy, crazy weekend of rugby league that was. Who would want to be a tipster?

I mean, well, me, apparently. But it was a dismal round, as I’m certain it would have been for the vast majority of folks.

To give you an idea of just how “easy” this round was supposed to be, in The Roar’s expert tips, seven of the games came up with a unanimous verdict.

So, that being said, it comes as no surprise that there was upset after upset throughout the round.

Maybe the Penrith-Parramatta game wasn’t such a surprise, but then, for everything the Eels have done right this year, their record doesn’t actually make for great reading.

But the Panthers have been flat out ordinary, so for them to be the first away team to win at Bankwest Stadium comes as something of a surprise.

Then we got to Friday, and the Sea Eagles turned in the performance we have probably all been expecting for some weeks.

Doing it against the Titans, fresh off smashing the Sharks in Cronulla though probably wasn’t what was expected.

The Knights then smashed the Roosters, and the Cowboys beat the Raiders, before the Warriors turned in one of their regular performances, not scoring atry as they lost to Brisbane at home (more on this clash shortly).

While I don’t want to sit here and say it throws the competition wide open (hint: It doesn’t), it does provide the opportunity on Origin eve for some teams to do some soul-searching, and some sides to attempt to build some momentum when they are likely to come up against disrupted teams ahead of them.

While I have written previously that the top eight is looking settled, if there are any major changes, you can look back to Round 11 as a major turning point.

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Blake Ferguson is a winger – why would Brad Arthur mess with that?
If there was one key learning to take out of Round 11, it is that Blake Ferguson is not a centre.

He is a winger, and needs to remain there every time he takes to an NRL field.

There are certain players across the NRL who must be first picked in their position for their team each and every game, and Ferguson is one of those guys.

Teams shuffle around to accomodate him, not the other way around, and the Eels learnt that the hard way in the opening match of Round 11.

However, it’s important not to overreact to a decision like that. For people to go around talking about the demise of Ferguson, or that he has played himself out of Sky Blue on the back of one bad game out of position is madness.

He is still just about the best all-around winger in the competition (even if he isn’t the most flashy) and there should be just about no question he will be on the wing every minute he plays going forward.

Are Brisbane or North Queensland back?
Let’s deal with two of Saturday’s games in one double-barrelled points, because there are more similarities between the plight of the Broncos and Cowboys than that they are both simply based in Queensland.

The Broncos have now won three on the trot, and while we can sit around and call their win over the Roosters something of a one-off rabbit out of the hat.

You can’t call their work against the Warriors anything of the sort though.

To hit the road to Auckland, in awful weather, and not concede a try in an ugly game of footy is outstanding. It is those sort of wins which you can build a campaign off.

I know I slammed the door shut on Brisbane a couple of weeks ago, but it’s just slightly ajar again if they can grab some wins during Origin.

The Cowboys, on the other hand, have just been creeping back into the fold since Jason Taumalolo came back from injury.

He has been immense, but it’s the form of Jake Granville – who seems to have all but played his way into a Queensland jumper – which has been the real key for the men from Townsville.

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The Sharks need to fix their discipline
I know, I know, the Dragons didn’t exactly have a good game either, but I’ve written about them more than enough this season (again, why was Paul McGregor re-signed?)

The Sharks, though, despite the end result, have got some glaring issues to get right if they want to consider themselves a genuine contender come September. Let’s be honest, beating the Dragons at the moment means very little, even if this was a local derby.

While I’d like to write about the Sharks kicking game, I can’t bring myself to criticise it too heavily. During the first half, they struggled with field position and possession, and it carried over a trend from last week where they were rolled by Manly.

Even though their kicking game was better in the second half, their first half effort often picked out the Dragons back three and struggled to have depth behind it – which is a key consideration when a side is struggling for territory.

Of course, they wouldn’t have been in that position if not for their discipline.

I have no doubt I’m going to get called out by Sharks fans for writing this, but a majority of penalties were warranted – and worse than that – they were lazy and often late in the count.

It was a similar story costing them against Manly last week, and the good sides will punish them with that sort of performance.

Canberra need a fit Josh Hodgson to be something
The Canberra Raiders have been one of the surprise packets in 2019, but things are just starting to unravel for the green machine.

Without wanting to be too harsh on Ricky Suart’s side, they have now lost three on the hop against the Roosters, Rabbitohs and North Queensland, and while injuries have certainly played their part in bringing the side undone, they have a lot of work to do in the next couple of weeks.

It should be acknowledged here that they have actually been fairly competitive in those losses, which is a positive sign in itself for the club who, really, from where they are now, shouldn’t find themselves missing the top eight come September.

However, there is one crucial cog in the machine who absolutely must be fit. Josh Hodgson.

If he is injured come the must-win games at the pointy end of the season, then it’ll really make a difference for the Raiders.

Realistically, they shouldn’t have lost to the Cowboys on Saturday, but they did, and need to find a way to stop the slide next weekend against Canterbury in what is a banana peel game as the Origin window kicks off.

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Canterbury need to play more games at Belmore
A quick one to finish off this week, but the Bulldogs should absolutely be playing more games at Belmore.

Whether the crowd roll up to support or not is bordering on irrelevant, because crowds at the soulles pit in Homebush have been hardly setting the world on fire.

Financially, something would need to be worked out given the club make plenty of money by playing at Homebush, but from a fans point of view, there is an atmosphere problem at Homebush.

Rugby league isn’t the AFL. This sport doesn’t need big grounds week in and week out.

It needs to cater to the fans and get back to suburban roots as often as possible.

Roarers, what did you make of Round 11? Drop a comment below and let us know.

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The Crowd Says:

2019-05-28T10:47:03+00:00

Rob

Guest


So making contact with the head (Ponga bleeding from the nose ) is legal? I remember a young lad of 19 who had just been selected to play QLD residents having his career ended after being taken out after a kick. He suffered a basal skull fracture and was in a coma for a week. The damage was done by the impact of the kids head hitting the ground and the defender driving down on top of him. The young winger who was also a representative runner never played again. His life was never the same. The 30 year defenders reason for taking him out was “that’s what you do it part of the game to take the kicker out”. True Story. The defenders name was Colin Scott. The young bloke looks like Cliff Young running now. It’s funny his children don’t play rugby League?

2019-05-28T07:12:17+00:00

Rob

Guest


Ponga is the real reason Pearce and the Knights are going well.

2019-05-27T06:03:29+00:00

Aiden

Guest


Pearce had the misfortune of being compared unfavorably to the great QLD halves. I’d say like most halves he fades behind a pack that isn’t dominant. Origin is often an arm wrestle, sometimes the QLD pack were getting smashed, and somehow JT would still come up with these amazing plays. Hence, Pearce looked ordinary in comparison. What is worse though is that on occasion he didn’t really take control of the game even when NSW was in the ascendency.

2019-05-27T03:46:00+00:00

BA Sports

Roar Guru


On Fergo - the difference is. As a winger you are only worrying about the guy inside you or directly infront of you. At Centre you have to think about inside and outside defenders. Basically it is the requirement to think that hurts Ferguson in the centres. Ferguson is great at going with his instinct. The moment he has to think, is when problems occur. That should come up in training so an element of it is on Arthur - particularly when you have a proven centre sitting on the bench,

2019-05-27T03:27:03+00:00

Geoff from Bruce Stadium

Roar Rookie


Can't believe the number of injuries happening this season. Not sure if its unusual or fairly normal but I'm looking at a possible team for the Raiders this week and at least 6 are injured and 3 called up for origin. Seems to hitting some clubs harder than others. The Sharks, Manly and the Dragons also seem to be in the same boat. The Raiders have unearthed Simmonson, Hudson Young and Horsburgh this season who all look as though they are up to speed at first grade level. Guess you have to find a way to get a couple of wins before the troops return.

2019-05-27T03:14:46+00:00

farkurnell

Guest


IMO the Dragons problem is there depth is not good enough.There young guys and/or 2nd stringers have not come up to the mark yet, unlike clubs like Chooks ,Storm ,Sharks to name a few,who have had injuries to key players. These Clubs youngsters have stepped up to the plate and delivered. Bunnies are about to be tested,it will be interesting to see how there depth handles it.

2019-05-27T00:56:40+00:00

steveng

Roar Rookie


Yes Emcie, fully agree! The reason everyone is having a go is because it was "Ponga"! And as I've said before (just like you) "Ponga better harden up" as its part of the game and he is no different! Unless and as its panning out, Ponga will be protected only because he is Ponga and different rules will apply!

2019-05-27T00:50:44+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


Morning Scotty. I think a lot of scribes were deciding on the 8 way too early. By the time SOO finishes we could have a new 5 below Chooks, Storm the Souths and another 10 rounds to change that up again. Are the Broncos back? Well they are getting stronger in the forwards and I'm starting to appreciate what Seibold is doing with his rotation. As opposed to a standard regime he is giving the players who suit the game more minutes. In a tight game/period he keeps the 'truck it up' forwards for minimal risk or in a game like Roosters, guys like TPJ might get 2 first half stints. Segs in the final 30mins has given the broncos a new element as well. Good to see Dearden getting more ball and pointing guys around as well. In the first few games I thought they were actively passing away from him but he has shown to be a tough little fella by taking the hits and getting his body in front in D. It seems Milf is taking the leadership role and Dearden is growing into his. Of course, this is only possible when Lodge, Haas and co are going forward. I'm not sure JWH deserved the bin. It was late, rough and grubby by manipulating the head on the way down. Old prop with his hands on a young buck maybe worthy of a penalty at best. Can you blame BA for Fergo's performance? An inability to catch isn't dependent on the number he wears. Most of his mistakes were before the line with no pressure. Maybe just a blessing for Freddie.

2019-05-26T23:02:08+00:00

Joe

Roar Rookie


Wish I had forgotten to put my tips in. Lucky for me I always pick at least 2 upsets per weeks so managed to get 4/8 as only two of the favourites won - Souths and Melbourne. Crazy weekend of upsets indeed!

2019-05-26T22:46:48+00:00

BA Sports

Roar Guru


The JWH tackle. I am not annoyed because the tackle was particularly dangerous, cheap, or dirty or whatever. But is was clearly late by a guy who never marked square. The bigger issue is the officiating that deemed it ok. The other talking points for me; Parramatta, puts in arguably the worst performance by any team in the last couple of seasons, and somehow are still in the 8! Is it possible that after 11 weeks the team coming 8th could be one of the two or three favourites for the spoon? The Newcastle atmosphere on Friday night looked great. Took you back to the Chief/Johns days and getting home on a Friday and looking forward to the occasional game from Newcastle with a big loud crowd and plenty of energy in the house.

2019-05-26T13:34:16+00:00

Geoff from Bruce Stadium

Roar Rookie


I know the Raiders have had a pretty ordinary month result wise Scott - and I know you don't want to talk about it but jeez what can we say about the Dragons? That's 5 in a row you've lost. They've dropped like a stone to 13th. I know you're missing Widdop and Norman but something is amiss down there.

2019-05-26T13:24:28+00:00

Geoff from Bruce Stadium

Roar Rookie


Yeah I couldn’t believe all the chat that the Broncos were gone for the year about 6 weeks in. It wasn’t like they were losing by much or a basket case like the Panthers were/are. Not sure that they are a top 4 side like Gus Gould seems to think. The Cowboys did enough to win on Saturday – they looked like they were just cruising with Morgan and JT13 in charge – which doesn’t say much for the Raiders effort who were very flat. I’ll think they’ll get a lot harder games than that in the coming weeks.

2019-05-26T13:09:33+00:00

William Dalton Davis

Roar Rookie


Pure technicality that shock jocks like Buzz and Kent will bang on about for as long as anyone thinks Brisbane were in the wrong playing someone the NRL said they could.

2019-05-26T12:59:43+00:00

Geoff from Bruce Stadium

Roar Rookie


Seem to remember Blake Ferguson played every game for the Raiders at right centre (60 games). It was only when he went to the Roosters that they eventually put him on the wing (90 games).

2019-05-26T12:56:00+00:00

Geoff from Bruce Stadium

Roar Rookie


Yeah but its not like they had good leads and faded like last year - against the Roosters and Rabbitohs they got close - and with a bit of luck may have won or evened the score up in the last few minutes. Against the Cowboys they were flat and never really in it but could have pinched it at the end but didn't. Bit different to what was happening last year when they couldn't manage games when they were well in front.

2019-05-26T12:31:54+00:00

Forty Twenty

Roar Rookie


It's funny how things change around . The Knights had recruited well before the season started and then poorly after 5 rounds, with a poor coach and a player with reddish hair who was probably a bit over hyped. I've been banging on for ages about wingers standing a lot deeper and hitting the cut out ball at top pace, giving the passer a much easier shot at throwing a legal pass. Copley is a great example of how deep you need to stand at times with his try against Manly from a very long Ash Taylor ball. He was miles back and I'd like to see the manly wingers a lot deeper at times. The Broncos were pretty average earlier in the season and I'm pretty sure the young age of the roster was used as a reason on more than one occasion. Since then a very young half and hooker have come into the team. I'd be happy to see a dark horse like the Knights win the comp , why can't they?

2019-05-26T12:25:47+00:00

Kowalski

Guest


Ditching Niks yes, but also having McCullough injured has been very refreshing. The Turpin and Segeyaro combo feels good.

2019-05-26T11:41:00+00:00

jimmmy

Roar Rookie


Are Brisbane or NQ back ? Despite all the comments on here Brisbane never went away. Not sure if they are top four material but are top six certainties imo. They were just so tough to grind out that win in Auckland . Also Origin won’t kill them this year . The Cows. Nah, we are just inching along slowly. That was a good effort against the Raiders but they were ripe for the plucking after the previous week. We are putting in now every week and that’s all I ever ask. We have some big deficiencies in our squad that will not be fixed this year. Eighth would be a huge year .

2019-05-26T11:39:33+00:00

Worlds Biggest

Guest


What a crazy weekend of upsets, I thought last weekend was mad, this was bonkers. This was also the perfect round to forget putting in my tips. I thought I had done so Thursday but got too busy at work. If you don’t enter in your tips you automatically get the away teams. Turns out this weekend 6 away teams won !!!

2019-05-26T11:38:45+00:00

farkurnell

Guest


Dogs ,I think you need to get down to BWS ASAP, the Sharks DNA is to constantly make it hard for themselves ,Todays score flattered Saints with Kyle missing most of his conversions and numerous bombed tries.Lets just hope they put in a solid 80 mins performance one day, preferably around September. I also think we need to cut them some slack - with a rookie coach and a half a doz rookie players. Every round we says, this will be the one ,where we live up to the potential. Lets hope next round V's Parra is that day.

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