Are we being too harsh on Marsh?

By Big AL / Roar Rookie

The Australian selectors have once again turned to Mitch Marsh for another opportunity at Test level for the fifth Ashes Test at The Oval.

And what a surprise, the armchair experts have all jumped on for their usual criticism of Marsh and the selectors. Hardly surprising I suppose, as it is easy to take shots without looking at the big picture.

The selectors have said that Marsh’s selection is due to the conditions expected at The Oval. They want an extra bowling option so our bowlers are not worked into the dirt.

Travis Head makes way for Marsh, which you could argue is a tough call but it was probably only ever going to be between Head and Wade to be dropped. Neither have set the tour on fire but I can see why the selectors would give Wade one more shot given his age. I would suggest that a failure here for Wade though would almost rule him out of future Test teams.

On that basis, there are only two all-rounder options in the squad – Mitch Marsh and Michael Neser. Whilst Neser has taken more wickets in the tour games than Marsh – 11 compared to nine – Neser has basically only had one innings of batting in which he scored one while Marsh has scored 252 runs at 84 if you discount the Australian intra-country match.

(Photo by Scott Barbour/Getty Images)

As for the first class records, a similar outcome emerges for both. The 29 year old Neser has only played 47 first class matches and is averaging 26.3 with the bat and 27.8 with the ball, while the 28 year old Marsh has 100 first class matches and is averaging 31.9 with both the bat and ball. These numbers would therefore lean towards Marsh as the obvious choice.

It goes without saying that Mitch Marsh has been given plenty of opportunities – and some would argue too many.

Marsh has played 31 Test matches since his debut on 22nd October 2014 and has totalled 1219 runs with a less than impressive 25.4 run average with the bat and totals 35 wickets at an average of 43.9 with the ball, which – at Test level – doesn’t make for great reading.

That is of course unless you start to make some comparisons to another batting all-rounder that debuted for Australia on Boxing Day 1985 – the one and only Stephen Rodger Waugh. Surely there’s no comparison, right? Interestingly, they’re not that far apart. Let’s look at Steve Waugh’s record in his first 31 Test matches.

Steve Waugh totalled 1586 runs at an average of 40.7 with the bat and 42 wickets at an average of 42.5 with the ball. On the surface Mitch Marsh compares favourably with the ball, however doesn’t come close to the batting average of Steve Waugh. But when you look a bit deeper, the comparison gets a bit more interesting.

Steve Waugh played 17 Test matches in Australia and 14 away. Of the 14 away matches, six were played on the sub-continent.

Steve Waugh’s Test batting averages
Home: 17 Tests, 27 innings, two not outs – 863 runs, averaging 34.5
Away: 14 Tests, 20 innings, six not outs – 723 runs, averaging 51.6
Sub-continent: six Tests, nine innings, three not outs – 151 runs, averaging 25.2

(AP Photo/Rick Rycroft)

Waugh’s away record was boosted by his first trip to England in 1989 where he scored 485 runs in the first five Test matches of that series. If you remove his runs scored in those five Test matches the picture changes dramatically. The overall batting average drops to 30.6 and the away record drops to 21.6.

Now let’s take a look at Marsh’s averages.

Mitch Marsh’s Test batting averages
Home: 13 Tests, 20 innings, four not outs – 572 runs, averaging 35.8
Away: 18 Tests, 33 innings, one not out – 647 runs, averaging 20.2
Sub-continent: nine Tests, 18 innings – 405 runs, averaging 22.5

The above comparison shows Marsh’s home record is slightly better than Waugh’s – and after taking out the 1989 Ashes series, the away record is not dissimilar.

The point of the exercise is not to say that Mitch Marsh is as good as Steve Waugh or will ever be as good as Steve Waugh, but his record is not as bad as it may seem if you note that Marsh has had to play more Tests away from home than Steve Waugh did over their first 31 Test matches.

Steve Waugh was given plenty of opportunity to succeed – which he most certainly did. Maybe Mitch Marsh should be afforded the same opportunities – and who knows where it would take him.

The Crowd Says:

2019-09-18T03:23:21+00:00

Josh H

Roar Rookie


While your last sentence seems largely in jest, your choice of stats I understand, just that it seems very convenient you're taking out one of Waugh's best periods and not doing the same for Marsh. Appears a bit selective.

AUTHOR

2019-09-17T07:58:19+00:00

Big AL

Roar Rookie


No problems Josh. If I was being lazy then I would have just made the stats analysis as looking at their first 25 test matches but wanted to use Marsh’s whole career. Was just making the point that it was this series in England which took him to 31 tests, that announced Steve Waugh who before that series was averaging little better than Marsh. Anyway your opinion was very very very useful and I respect it.

2019-09-16T09:04:02+00:00

Josh H

Roar Rookie


Care to respond to my actual argument? It doesn't take a chef to know whether food tastes good or not. No need to get defensive. Not a great attitude to accepting what is supposed to be feedback. Are you that oppositional you must misconstrue feedback to be a personal attack? This is about your article. Not me.

AUTHOR

2019-09-15T11:43:22+00:00

Big AL

Roar Rookie


The intra country stats were left out as I couldn’t find them anywhere but if my memory serves me correctly Marsh was one of the better performed batsmen during that match. Lazy is a little strong. Don’t profess to be a professional just a hobby. At least I got you to read it. Have a go at it yourself one day. I look forward to reading your work.

AUTHOR

2019-09-15T01:18:48+00:00

Big AL

Roar Rookie


Thanks Josh. I look forward to reading your first article

2019-09-14T05:01:06+00:00

pakistanstar

Roar Rookie


"Marsh has scored 252 runs at 84 if you discount the Australian intra-country match" "If you remove his runs scored in those five Test matches the picture changes dramatically" That's not how statistical analysis works. You can't just take out the parts that make a player's record worse just to suit your argument. Lazy writing.

2019-09-14T03:58:26+00:00

Josh H

Roar Rookie


If you want to "take out" Waugh's incredible Ashes series in '89, why not take out Marsh's even more uncharacteristic Ashes series in 2017? If you do that, Mitch's average is at a putrid 17.65 in Tests. Give me 31 over 18 every day of the week. Very, very, very weak analysis. Waugh was far better at this point in his career.

2019-09-13T08:46:48+00:00

TheCunningLinguistic

Roar Rookie


He should've been in the One Day squad for the World Cup ahead of Stoinis, 100%. I'm not a fan of name-calling, but Stoinis was a spud for the WC... I'm hoping (still) that MM can make it as a genuine Test player, be that as a bowling allrounder or a genuine allrounder, but he should be a shoe-in for the shorter formats, probably as VC or C. He is a genuine nice guy and a natural leader, so it opens many opportunities for Australia if he can fill that leadership role in the Test team as well.

2019-09-13T08:39:56+00:00

TheCunningLinguistic

Roar Rookie


I've been a long time supporter of M. Marsh, I was glad to see him get a shot.

2019-09-13T08:39:47+00:00

U

Roar Rookie


Mitch will be our future ODI skipper. He and Head will be the leaders of our limited overs sides for for a lot of the next 7-10 years

2019-09-13T08:36:45+00:00

U

Roar Rookie


Paine has had a rollercoaster of a series.

2019-09-13T08:35:55+00:00

U

Roar Rookie


Woakes has scored 30 or more at least twice this series. He’s a perfect 8. More first class hundreds than many of Australia’s young batsmen

2019-09-13T08:34:14+00:00

U

Roar Rookie


Shaun Marsh also plays well in his first couple of matches back every time

2019-09-13T06:25:25+00:00

Derek Murray

Roar Rookie


Head is the future. Wade is the one at risk

2019-09-13T06:24:21+00:00

Derek Murray

Roar Rookie


Yeah, different eras have their challenges. It was uncovered wickets offset by only playing occasionally and against the same opposition. Then it was helmets but against 4-pronged pace attacks. Now it’s huge bats but against incredibly detailed analysis to pick up all weaknesses. I reckon the simple average tells the right story. The only possible outlier is blokes who bat for average - guys who come in at 6 and don’t milk the strike and simply ensure they don’t get out (I’m looking at you Steve)

2019-09-13T06:19:47+00:00

Derek Murray

Roar Rookie


His bowling has been a real and constant threat all summer. He’s a proper third seamer option so runs are a bonus

2019-09-13T06:18:18+00:00

Derek Murray

Roar Rookie


I agree on Buttler Yawn. How much better does he look with the tail and limited expectations? Swap the gloves, move him down to 7 and judge the ginger on runs as a batsman.

2019-09-13T06:15:11+00:00

Derek Murray

Roar Rookie


I’m guessing Don Freo. He’s been a Marsh Whisperer on here for years

2019-09-13T06:13:32+00:00

Derek Murray

Roar Rookie


I hear you. I get the point you’re making. And it’s undeniable fact but averages do what they do and removing good or bad performances to suit an argument weakens the argument in my opinion. Your case was well made regardless. SW was the chosen one and got an extended run beyond his output. I watched the twins slaughter North Sydney 1’s (after my 3’s were also hammered) for Bankstown when they were 18. Both got runs and largely shared the wickets. MW bowled with good heat too. I also saw them netting a year later at the SCG and both were having fun dropping balls on guys working on building the SFS. They were special talents who the selectors were committed to from the start. I hope Pucovski turns out to be as good as his early mail

2019-09-13T05:34:35+00:00

elvis

Roar Rookie


Some rose coloured glasses there. Waugh struck Botham and Hadlee in the tail end of their careers, and Jimmy Anderson has a better bowling average than Dev and Broad similar. And don't forget today's Indian bowlers who are as good a unit as they have ever had. And a bloke called Dale Steyn. If Marsh is failing compared to Waugh it isn't because he had it any easier.

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