Rugby World Cup final expert tips: mad Boks and Englishmen

By Brett McKay / Expert

A replay of the 2007 decider and a playoff game that I still don’t see the point of… that’s the sum total ahead of us, heading into the last Rugby World Cup weekend for the next four years.

I mentioned last week that I was looking forward to just watching games without the stress and just enjoying the rugby for the rugby, and I will admit, it was nice. I felt a bit weird, but it was nice.

So I’ll definitely take that approach into this weekend again.

The two games this weekend will be intriguing for different reasons, but I can tell you one thing for sure: only one of them is worth taking notes for.

LAST WEEK: Everyone else and The Crowd 1; Brett 0.

OVERALL: The Crowd 40; Geoff and Digger 38; Nobes 36, Harry 35, Brett 33.

Digger
Tips: New Zealand, England

Two very contrasting teams and journeys make up our World Cup final this edition, and I am really looking forward to this clash.

It is difficult not to favour England, their form over the knockouts has been imperious, seemingly timing their run to the title with perfection while South Africa have scrapped and fought their way to be here, doing what they have too to have their third shot at the cup.

South Africa certainly present a different challenge from their vanquished southern counterparts, they can play an expansive game but are currently favouring a more forward-orientated approach. Unlike Australia and New Zealand, they are likely to live with England up front, which makes this clash intriguing.

But Wales found too much space for my liking out wide in the semi-final and I cannot shrug the feeling England are better placed to take advantage. This, along with their overall form, has me leaning towards the roses.

For third and fourth, well, the All Blacks don’t get beaten twice in a row very often and one benefit of this match is it allows you a window to vent the frustration after bowing out in the semi-finals. Obviously, Wales have their own driving factors but given this will be the last game for a few long-term New Zealanders I believe it will be an All Blacks victory and possibly comfortably so.

Nobes
Tips: New Zealand, South Africa

Somehow two of my three candidates for the title reached the final. The two teams with more depth, more desire, personality, and quality coaching will face each other this weekend. Each have their style of play that will not change since it is the style that brought them to where they are.

England are very well driven by their halves, spicy backs, a solid first line with a good set of hands, and especially the five back forwards that use their mobility to make the rest play from good clear balls from the set pieces or turnovers.

(Photo by David Rogers/Getty Images)

On the other hand, with a game not so colourful but effective, is South Africa with their traditional weapons. They are a very physical team that bases its game on defence with fierce tackles, and the air game. They have a good line and scrum to launch their game and press for their rival to make mistakes and capitalise on them. They will have to improve the defence when the attacks come from the open field and the fullback must improve his air game if they want to live up to the circumstances.

My heart says South Africa but my brain calls for England, but remember I am “Nobrain” who cheers for the southern hemisphere and will not leave my friend Harry alone in this one.

The match for third place is not important if a team has been crowned champions in the past, but can matter to those who haven’t. This would make a case for Wales but it seems to me that they are not arriving in their best physical form and New Zealand must do something to say goodbye to this World Cup in the best way and to show that they still have an appetite to keep the destiny alive for the following years.

Geoff
Tips: New Zealand, England

On a global scale of human sadness, by any measure, a World Cup third place play-off probably doesn’t rank too highly. But it’s still a sad affair – nobody wants to be there, and it is an occasion to be endured, not savoured.

I fear that this year’s version will actually be worse than usual. Trying to engage with New Zealand and Wales is almost certain to be made insufferable by having Harry in my ear, demanding more beer and continually reminding me how good South Africa is.

Wales are a banged-up side on a short turnaround, against a team insisting upon sending Shag, Reado and others out on high note. No chance.

As I wrote earlier this week, I don’t believe the quality of the semi-finals has any real bearing on the outcome of the final. South Africa do match up well against England and will fancy their chances of slowing down their phase possession. In turn, they do not rely on fast ball themselves, nor panic when the game is slowed down.

I expect a titanic struggle, and South Africa to go close. But having a better balance to their game and a wee bit of Eddie factor tips my vote England’s way.

Harry
Tips: New Zealand, South Africa

England’s neo-colonial assault on the southern hemisphere’s rugby superpowers continues this weekend. Having swept aside the de-fanged Pumas, swatted aside the madly hopping Wallabies, and then driven a stake through the All Blacks’ heart, the Sour Chariot will try to run the Green Mile over the broken glass that is Faf de Klerk, the ragged concrete of Duane Vermeulen, the mean streets of Eben Etzebeth and RG Snyman, and the minefield of the Bok bench.

We are asked to believe three propositions. One, Maro Itoje is rugby’s Messiah. Two, England’s one-try victory over New Zealand proves the Poms can save the soul and future of world rugby. And three, the underdog Boks can only win if they stop kicking so much. But why would any team stop doing what is working?

South Africa have beaten everyone except New Zealand by out-kicking them. I don’t mean quality, necessarily, because some of Faf’s box kicks are not just wounded ducks, but have already become duck soup. I mean sheer quantity – volume.

(Photo by Craig Mercer/MB Media/Getty Images)

In the pool loss, the Boks kicked six fewer times than the All Blacks, and had too much possession (fleeting at times, due to dropped balls which turned into tries in seconds). In the draw in Wellington, on the other hand, the Boks kicked nine more times than the All Blacks, and only wanted 43 per cent of the ball.

The Boks kicked more times than Argentina (11 times more) in the five-try-to-one victory, more than Namibia, 11 times more than Canada, ten more than Japan (and 12 times more in the warm-up), and 12 times more than Italy en route to a prolific try-scoring season. You got the feeling that South Africa would have won easier in the quarter-final if they had not tried to run it back as much. Willie le Roux got isolated and turned over a crucial point, and Makazole Mapimpi also ran into trouble.

So, if it is not broken, don’t fix it. Boks by plenty.

And Wales are done.

Brett
Tips: New Zealand, England

Two very easy tips for me this week. New Zealand won’t let Read, Crotty, Smith, Hansen et al finish their time with the All Blacks with a loss, and England look just too clinical.

That will be of great relief to South Africans, given my tipping form, but sadly that’s about all I can offer the Republic this weekend.

Eddie Jones has had this date circled in his diary for four years. His whole pitch for the England job was to win a Rugby World Cup, and here he is, 80 minutes away from delivering.

It will take a good chunk of those 80 minutes, but England have all the tools they will need to win: they’re great at the breakdown, efficient at set piece, sound in defence, and have arguably the best tactical kicking in the game.

As for the Who Cares Cup? Well, the ABs will win it, but I do wonder if there isn’t a better use for this game.

I have heard suggestions of a cup-style comp a la the Sevens World Series, and that could possibly work. New Zealand and Wales will play the game for the right reasons, and I’m sure it will be entertaining, and I’m still going to watch it.

But I just don’t see the point in a game whose result will be forgotten so soon afterwards.

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The Crowd Says:

2019-11-04T08:10:15+00:00

MitchO

Guest


Turns our the playoff was a good game of rugby and a bit of an exhibition. Some smiles from Kieran Read and AWJ and some children around. Unfortunately Ben Smith and Crotty to name two showed they were the victim of some harsh selection calls. But then that's what the coach gets paid for.

2019-11-01T17:58:37+00:00

Barney

Roar Rookie


If England wins, this would be some World Cup triumph to beat all 4 Rugby Championship countries. Never been done before and probably highly unlikely ever again.

2019-11-01T04:13:07+00:00

Geoff Parkes

Expert


It's not the worst idea Mitch, and I expect it would be pretty popular with fans. But I can't see the unions buying into it. The eliminated SH nations would be keen to get their players straight into their offseason break, as I suspect the players would be too. And the eliminated NH nations, or more to the point, their clubs, would be keen to get the players back and into their club programs as soon as possible.

2019-11-01T04:09:31+00:00

Geoff Parkes

Expert


Alternatively, NZ is desperate to win to send the departing guys out properly, and will have noted South Africa's foolproof method of beating Wales. Smith and Weber to put up 67 kicks between them, from the base, to make sure of a 12-9 win.

2019-11-01T01:35:36+00:00

MitchO

Guest


so what about a bars bars type celebration. I appreciate that some Tier 2 players maybe couldn't afford to stick around but you could put a great exhibition game together using players from teams who didn't get out of the pool. Some guys who lost in the quarters you could consider asking eg disappointment aside the Japanese would have to put a few guys forward. You could have say a 24 or 25 man match day squads so you can through a few extra forwards and backs out there.

2019-10-31T22:19:14+00:00

terrykidd

Roar Pro


Thanks Brett .... I will be here, can't live without it ..... besides I need a little break from OJ :stoked:

2019-10-31T22:18:00+00:00

terrykidd

Roar Pro


Thanks Geoff

2019-10-31T21:53:30+00:00


We can only hope Wal.

AUTHOR

2019-10-31T21:43:13+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


What are we all thinking for tonight? Will NZ and Wales play this like a normal Test, or is this a rare chance to play an international like they'd really love to play one? Personally, I think it'll be high-scoring. 50+ aggregate for the game...

2019-10-31T21:38:12+00:00

Wal

Roar Guru


Cheers Corne I think this is something younger AB’s fans fail to realise how spoilt they have been. NZ has had a couple of periods like this in my time, with the politics surrounding the 81 Boks tour and subsequent Cavaliers tour NZ rugby plummeted in the national physic. So much so the opening AB’s RWC cup match in ’87 was played in front of a near empty stadium. It seemed over in 87 only to reappear within the team and management in ’91 with players refusing to train and coaches bickering. We are at a critical point for both nations Rugby futures. Hopefully the wheel is turning on a new golden age of Bok Rugby and not waning on a AB’s one.

2019-10-31T18:04:58+00:00


Sorry Carlos, I just wrote this essay to explain my loss of passion but for some reason the post just disappeared. Too much hassle to redo the 15 page essay.

2019-10-31T18:02:28+00:00


It is difficult to explain my situation with rugby. I have always believed in the mantra I commit to you 100%, but I beed that commitment reciprocated 100% I have been an avid rugby love my whole life, no other sporting code provides me with the exhilaration and satisfaction of rugby. I have been writing, commenting, arm chair critiquing SA rugby for more than ten years now, and my one major criticism of SA rugby has always been their fear of failure is debilitating them from achieving excellence. Add to that a rugby administration that refused to embrace the professional era fully, dragging their feet in transformation, allowing politics to interfere with my sport, simply because they were/are too lazy or incompetent, or worst of all not caring enough about being the custodians of my sport to attain transformation without political interference, attaining excellence and failure to set up things that should be as logical as F. There are no succession planning from one international coach to the next, there is no intellectual transfer of knowledge of players, no continuity of game plan. Only a blaze attitude to what can be the most popular sport in SA. When you look at the last 20 years, SARU has failed in many aspects. The appointment of coaches, the firing of coaches, a shrug of the shoulders in protecting our best players from overseas clubs. There are just too many things to mention. But suffice to say if the administrators did their job we would have had competent coaches, a mix of star players from all walks of life, no interference from politicians using rugby as just another tool to enhance their causes. I hate politics, but worse of all, I simply can’t stand incompetence and stupid people. So over the last number of years my commitment and passion towards rugby has faded into an occasional interest.

2019-10-31T17:23:25+00:00

Carlos the Argie

Roar Guru


I get what Bliltongbek is going through. I have gone through many ups and downs with rugby. But it is in my DNA, can't stay away from it for long. Like one of those terrible passionate lovers that constantly challenges you.

2019-10-31T17:21:37+00:00

Carlos the Argie

Roar Guru


Ah, Nobrain! But that fire is totally of the society's own making. I went through despair, anger, frustration, resignation and bitterness regarding THAT situation. I have decided to avoid visiting my old home for a few years. Not interested in hearing the complaints.

2019-10-31T12:20:06+00:00

Nobrain

Roar Guru


We have a different kind of fire burning as well down here Carlos. One that seems imposible to stop.

2019-10-31T11:49:03+00:00

Ankle-tapped Waterboy

Guest


Reading below the line in The Roar's Rugby World Cup has been a journey work taking. For this column in particular: for more than a few moments there, while reading, I felt that same sense of elegaic happy melancholy as in the final chapters of book three of The Lord of the Rings, when those who had held the world in the Second Age farewell it and depart, leaving the new Third Age to men.

AUTHOR

2019-10-31T09:53:51+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


Congrats Terry, this comfortably makes you the biggest winner this weekend! :thumbup: Best of luck for the move, look forward to seeing you back around here as soon as the Phillipine internet gods allow! :happy:

AUTHOR

2019-10-31T09:51:37+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


Now, that made me laugh, Mitch!! :laughing:

AUTHOR

2019-10-31T09:50:42+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


Plus, SMI, it gave me reason to seek Joe Cocker concert clips... :laughing:

AUTHOR

2019-10-31T09:49:40+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


I'm sure I saw that mentioned earlier in the week, Mzil.. but it's still cold hard science that can't be ignored!

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