Ex-Boks hooker cops doping ban

Ha ha Red yes... Here they say its Boerewors ( sausage).. Has a few different meanings. :stoked:

It is a dutch genetic thing. Like we say here in the Netherlands "boersekaas" is the reason for it.

Yes, i think you are spot on that it is a mindset issue. I have a theory on how that mindset developed. Chilliboy was born in Tzaneen, went to Pretoria Boys High (a prestigious previous whites only school during apartheid). There he excelled as a young good black rugby player although he was a small for a South African hooker. He shown leadership qualities and combined with his skills as rugby player were very popular. The South African government in the 2000s increased pressure on SARA to advance black rugby talent to the national side. Although Chilliboy had not disadvantage as an upcoming player in a prestigious rugby school, he received special treatment and even captained the Bok side as first black captain when he was not even an established Bok hooker (he competed with some pretty impressive players like Bismarck and Smith...) After a decade of special treatment, how can anyone blame Chilliboy for thinking that a different set of "rules" apply to him. Since the post Zuma the mindset gradually changed from a tokenistic approach to appease unrealistic government targets to providing opportunities for black players to make the Bok side on merit. However the Zuma era had many victims and Chilliboy was one of them.

Once you get caught you become a bit of a target for anti doping agencies.. But I also don't get his mindset.. Will be interesting to see how Dyantyi does going forward as a clean rugby player.

An 8 year ban and 33 years old.. I think that's the end of him Peter.

Yeah Ben, I can just imagine when the urine sample bottles are brought into the Bok change rooms they stack them up like champagne glasses ready for a fountain of champagne, except this time it isn’t champagne but rather one “clean” guy’s full bladder :shocked:

You have to start asking yourself all sorts of questions here. How do you get caught three times? Is it because you just don’t care if you’re caught? Is it because somehow by the unknown laws of the universe you don’t get it? Is it because you are just not very smart? Is it because whoever supplies the stuff to you is BS’ing you? WTF?

Dunno Busted Fullback.... It's a massive step from a teaspoon of creatin a simple amino acid to an anabolic steroid.. I enjoyed your observation about the psychological component especially with young kids using PEDs... The answer is identification of those using... Not hard to do, counseling and education.. The long term health implications of sustained steroid and growth hormone abuse particularly in young people is horrendous.. That message should also be written on the walls.. But first the problem must be acknowledged by the schools who for obvious reasons probably reluctant to do so.

Ben, SA Rugby of course has a problem with PEDs in schoolboy rugby.. That's officially acknowledged by Rugby SA. They have in turn implented programmes which include educating, vigorous testing coupled with disciplinary steps and criminal charges to counter it. The root cause is that schoolboy rugby here is to all intents and purposes semi professional. As for your observation about the Boks, it would help to remember that since the outset of Rugby as a sport South African players, specifically Afrikaners have always been bigger than other teams.. Its a genetic thing... As for the bodybuilder observation. Well show me a top team in the World where that is not the case.. Yes SA Rugby has its cheats... But it would naive to think that's not the case everywhere the game is played and money is involved.

JN, I heard a story too often for it not to contain an element of truth. On the walls of a school gym in Brisbane were listed the places where creatine supplements could be safely purchased. I believe that then, as now, creatine is not on the banned list but I can see it as the first step on a deadly ladder or, as my wife suggested, the beginning of a slippery slope. Not the sort of encouragement we should be offering those under our care and who may be easily influenced by those in positions of authority. Add to that the information and warnings provided at healthdirect.gov.au and we as a society, should be actively discouraging any such use of supplements. Should we be testing our senior school students? Most of them are 18 or turn 18 years of age in their senior year. Funny how my spell checker wanted me to change "creatine"to "cretin".

I believe that PEDs in Rugby is a lot more widespread than what the odd positive test suggests.. Remember testing negative does not automatically defer to being a cleam athlete.. It may simply be that the player got his cycles and methodologies right. As long as there is advantage to be gained and a belief you can get away with it, some will take it.

He is a complete idiot.

Ahem, Ben. It's not just SA schools. There have been enough reports over the years of doping in Sydney private schools and from numberous conversation I've had) it is not exactly a secret... Would that cast a cloud over everything in Australia? It's everywhere. Let's not be naive.

The psychology of these types of fellows worries me. "I'll do what ever it takes to get to the top, and (at 33 y o) I'll do anything to stay there as long as I can." Are these the blokes that need the adulation of the public? Is this their only way out of poverty or to sustain a life-style to which they have become accustomed? Or should we be trying to recognise this type of personality and guide it before the problem manifests itself (Duty of Care)? Didn't we once tell kids to get into sport to avoid the desperation that drugs bring? Sport, life... no place for drugs.

Idiotic to get caught thrice.

Aphiwe Dyantyi last year when he was dropped for the samething "I want to deny ever taking any prohibited substance - intentionally or negligently - to enhance my performance on the field," Dyantyi said in a statement. "I believe in hard work and I have never cheated and never will. The presence of this prohibited substance in my body has come as a massive shock to me, and together with my management team and experts appointed by them, we are doing everything we can to get to the source of this and to prove my innocence. "As a professional sportsman on national and international level, we get tested on a regular basis. I have been tested before and again, since this test." What will Ralepelles excuse be? I also read about wide concern in Sth African secondary schools rugby re drug use. Kind of casts a cloud over that pre World Cup photo of the Boks all looking like competitive body builders doesnt it?

How does a player like this benefit the game? Well, I don't think he does. So let's bin him!

If that's his third doping offence (for performance enhancing drugs) then he's just failed an intelligence test. I remember when Leaguies started getting drug tested. No one got done for droids. It was Sydney party drugs.

his 3rd doping offence, get him out of the game