NRL Round 20 betting and premiership winner tips

By oakesy / Roar Guru

Only two teams can win the premiership. It’s been the case all year and still is the case.

Storm or Roosters. The only thing that’s changed is the ‘pretenders’ are no longer the Raiders and the Eels. It’s now the Panthers.

There’s still value in the trade.

Go long with both the Storm around $4 (TAB) and Roosters around $3 ($2.90 Ladbrokes) and maybe shade the mix later when they meet. They’ll both be around even money in the grand final, or one of them will be favourites vs another team.

PREMIERSHIP WINNER UPDATE
Regular punters will know back in May the market was unbelievably PAYING us to take on the following strategy:
LONG the Roosters at $6.50 – currently $3
LONG the Storm at $7 (then got out to $9) – currently $4
LAID the Raiders at $6 (got into $5) – currently $13
LAID the Eels at $6 (got into $4.60) – currently $24
(Of course the Panthers are now $4 and you could have had them at $16 back then!)

I missed the Panthers totally and didn’t think to get on them as they were coming in so I’m exposed there.
Sadly I covered my short on the Eels too soon and got a bit edgy on them when they came in so jumped on when they came out again so made nothing there, but I’m carrying the Raiders short and I’m staying with BOTH the Roosters and Storm positions until they meet each other in at true elimination final stage – hopefully the grand final – then I’ll reconsider the plan.

I’m carrying the full risk if the Panthers win – effectively I’m SHORT the Panthers.

They are highly unlikely to win as I can’t see them getting past BOTH the Roosters and Storm. I know they’re an exciting team full of vibrant youth and new combinations and they can beat anyone on their day, but if they get past ONE of the BIG two in the Stage 3 “Preliminary” Final, experience tells me they rarely manage to follow it up the following week against THE OTHER BIG team.

It’s like a “new kids on the block” team plays “their” grand final in the prelim and for some reason can’t do it two weeks running IF both are against the two top tier teams.

Is it mental fatigue? Is it too much energy spent on the first big match they don’t have time for the preparation mentally for the second one?

Overly confident having beaten a great team at finals stage and just too hard to refocus?

THE DRAW has fallen perfectly for us – assuming Roosters beat the Rabbits this Friday evening they finish third – so will meet the Storm next week – and critically means they can’t then meet in the preliminary final.

That means if it goes to form Panthers will meet the loser of next week’s Roosters-Storm match in the prelim AND then the winner of that match in the final. All sounds a bit easy? Sure there will be twists and turns and tight matches but that’s where my money is as to how it turns out when it really matters.

If you recall last year “the pretenders” were the Raiders and while they disposed of the Storm in a tight one in the Stage 1 “Quali” Final, they “only” had to play the Rabbits in the prelim which gave them a much better chance of beating the Roosters in the grand final – even then they still weren’t quite up to the task come the moment … tragically last year (for me) the Roosters and the Storm met in the prelim so I was exposed in that grand final and got lucky

Should they make the grand final they don’t have anything like the experience of the moment of the BIG TWO.
Nathan Cleary is their man and I love his play and his skills. He has instinct when the game is easy and free flowing (ie they are winning) – but what about when they are losing or when it’s tight? Some Origin experience helps but that wasn’t with these fresh faced combinations.

Simply put, neither Cleary nor the new combinations have been tested under pressure and indeed have looked suspect for a half of the match twice in the last three weeks.

On the off chance Cleary gets injured – and I really hope he doesn’t for the sake of the Finals, then it’s all over for them. Not necessarily the case for any one player out of the BIG TWO. They have more experienced quality around the pitch.

My only big problem is if Roosters don’t beat the Rabbits this Friday – hence this weekend’s final round is critical for how those final placings finish.

(Photo by Mark Metcalfe/Getty Images)

ROUND 20 PREVIEW AND TOP 3 TIPS
It’s all about who HAS to win for whatever reason this weekend – combined with the order of play and there are two crackers:
The Knights HAVE TO WIN Friday 6pm to hold 6th spot to host a qualifying final next week.
The Raiders HAVE TO WIN Saturday 5.30pm to hope to make the critical fourth spot, which would then mean The Eels HAVE TO WIN immediately following at 7.35pm to get that fourth spot back – there’s a rare multi on here!

TOP 3 BETS THIS WEEKEND
THE BANKER – Knights to WIN $1.62 (Pointsbet) vs Titans
Kurt Mann back from suspension, has scored six tries in six games vs Titans. Bradman Best returning from ankle injury is a bonus. Mitchell Pierce and Kalyn Ponga have been looking better and better together in their combinations and switches. They might put on a show vs Titans – only reason the price is rich (should be more like $1.33) is due to recent Titans form so take advantage of it versus a much weaker team, hence Trade (2) below.
THE LEVERAGE TRADE – Knights to win well – risking a total $ amount no more than what you stand to win in trade (1) above for the straight win, invest:
50% beat the line 3.5 points ($1.90)
30% on the Halftime / fulltime ($2.15 TAB)
20% beat the margin 13+ ($3.20)
10% cent pick your line 19+ ($5.00)

THE VALUE BET (half stake only) – Multi Raiders to WIN $2.45 and Eels to Win $1.38 (Ladbrokes / Neds)
The Raiders were $1.25 Monday before the team sheets came out and prices flew out as Ricky is resting so many players (Wighton, Bateman, Croker, Whitehead) but we are forgetting how hopeless the Sharks are too, especially now they’ve lost their key man Shaun Johnson who went under the knife this week and both Wade Graham AND Chad Townsend suspended.
It’ll be a pillow fight and Raiders are the value – they’ve had to play all season with a plethora of missing players they are used to it and winning for them could make a difference 5th to 4th whereas Sharks finish 8th whatever happens.
Then if the Raiders happen to win then the Eels HAVE to win so might as well MULTI that into it and if they have to win to get back their 4th spot, they will.

BETS TO AVOID
Broncos vs Cowboys Thursday night is just a toss of a coin you might as well waste the cash on the pokies – you might want to believe the Broncos will step up to avoid the dreaded Wooden Spoon (for the first time in their history) but really they are so unreliable it’s just gambling so don’t do it.

Avoid the TOP teams this week who don’t really need to win and certainly might not cover the line bet.

Panthers don’t need to win they are done in the top position. Storm don’t need to win they are locked at 2nd and have already secured the (new) “home” Final. Even the Roosters, would they prefer to win and finish 3rd to face Storm next week or would finishing 4th and facing the Panthers not be such a bad thing? Look they all want to win and you always prefer winning momentum going into the Finals but they might well rest players, bring them off early – funny things can happen in these matches so best AVOIDED.
So keep your wits about you match to match and don’t bet until close to kick off so you can check the run on team and the weather before betting.

* All prices as at Thursday morning

Oakesy has been trading in sport for more than 20 years. He believes research is the key to betting. “If you’re going to have a bet don’t ‘gamble.’ Gambling is just a game of chance like the toss of a coin. If you can’t back your bet with good reasoning or research then it’s just gambling so don’t do it.”

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2020-09-24T10:58:45+00:00

oakesy

Roar Guru


thanks The Barry for the compliment much appreciated .. i run a private blog and decided to see how it goes on the Roar .. and if there is demand will post updates through the Finals Stage .. to be fair i don't bet individual games in the early rounds as they are so much more random and unreliable in results ... indeed i have a rule that i wont trade individual matches in any sport for the first 6 rounds whether it be NRL or EPL or NFL or golf tournaments at the start of the year ... over the years that seems to be about the number where the favourites settle and results become more 'reliable' i use the term 'Pretenders" in the sense of the word "aspirants" or new to the party .. but yes there is a bit of tongue in cheek "imposters" implication in there ... someone analysed my betting patterns once and described them like trading financial markets .. i tend to go with the flow of proven winners ... and that strategy might win say 3 or 4 times out of 5 ... but then eventually the new kid on the block gets up and wins .. and i lose that one .. and the trick is to be able to respect the moment and adapt to that new now "proven" winner ... maybe its the Panthers will be that team this year .. we will see hmmm what odds straight sets Eels you ask ... here's a scenario not many are considering ... assuming they beat the Tigers this Saturday (who don't over achieve "doing it for Benji"), then they'll meet The Panthers next week ... they get a genuine shot at going straight to the prelims then Panthers have to do it the hard way ... i'm not calling it but worth considering ... next week ... meanwhile enjoy the next few days ! '

2020-09-24T09:44:13+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


Really enjoyed that article...shame oakesy has only debuted in Round 20 Completely understandable missing the Panthers...they were a bottom end of the top eight competitor for mine but so many of their players have taken huge steps forward and had break out seasons this year...including Cleary I’m not sure I agree they’re pretenders, but do agree they will be doing well to beat the Storm AND the Roosters in the semis...they keep aiming up though Same but opposite with the Eels. 10 weeks ago they were looking world beaters. Spine looking super slick, back three metre machines, middle third dominating and attack down both edges. I’ve had queries for a long time on the Eels being good front runners or flat track bullies but they won me over...they’ve reverted to type though. What odds straight sets? The Raiders can definitely match it with any team on any day but I’m not sure they can jag four wins in a row, which looks the likely requirement I took the Roosters just after the shortened season was announced. I’ve never been more confident of a team going on a jag of form as the Roosters post COVID break Looked dicey there for a while with all the injuries they had but I still think they’re the team to beat. Now they’ve got gun players fresh but also match fit. Same with the Storm... I’m not so invested in them that I’ll necessarily be cheering for them. Three in a row will be remarkable but my heart will be with the Panthers in the semis Look forward to your next article...

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2020-09-24T09:29:00+00:00

oakesy

Roar Guru


what price would you like ? pick it and have as much as you like ... or you could back the wooden spoon at $1.48 ?

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2020-09-24T09:25:39+00:00

oakesy

Roar Guru


nice trade even at $4.50 .. if it were me i would take profit on half that so you have a "free bet' with the balance .. you'd only need to sell less than half to cover your stake ... if you're not on Betfair then consider just back Storm at $2.10 for say 40% of your stake so you cant lose

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2020-09-24T09:20:30+00:00

oakesy

Roar Guru


hi Albo thanks for your thoughts .. no my trades are definitely not a gamble as they are researched and have reasoning ... just as yours too isnt a gamble as you have your reasoning also .. there's a reason they are also at $4 ... its would seem i put more weighting on experience come the pressue of the eliminatin stage as opposed to those games during the season .. i dont however put much weighting on events over a decade ago when Panthers last did their thing, more recent years and players still playing who have been there ... you might be right that season form prevails this time ... do you think they would be underdogs though ? say Panthers beat the Roosters or Storm in the Prelim Final, what price do you reckon they would be in the Grand Final vs the other team ?

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2020-09-24T09:12:59+00:00

oakesy

Roar Guru


sorry for the rambling line .. i have a funny thing about that phrase "gamble responsibly" i hate it every time they say it .. its actually an oxymoron ... as "gambling' is just a game of chance like a toss of a coin or a ball landing on red ... whereas "betting" is a calculated risk, a measured risk ... hence i prefer to say "only have a bet if you have good reasoning or research, otherwise its just gambling, so don't do it"

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2020-09-24T09:09:05+00:00

oakesy

Roar Guru


all good points Noosa Duck ... i hope youre right Robbos boys do the business tomorrow night .. yep he certainly put a proper team out unlike Storm ort Raiders .. will be interesting to see which strategy works better in hindsight next week ...

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2020-09-24T09:04:06+00:00

oakesy

Roar Guru


yes i like your theory ... the old "risk a loss by resting key players vs guarantee a win and winning momentum" argument ... i'm trying to keep an open mind who i prefer Roosters or Storm until they meet ... ill revisit the subject next week assuming they are facing each other .. right now i'm leaning towards the Storm just because they'll "do it for Cam" ... assuming its his last ... also they seem to have developed a particularly strong team spirit living in each others pockets up there in their new home ... like i say no need to decide yet just back both ... nice trade on the Roosters at $7 though you'll likely have the option to take some profits on that at some stage well less than half that ... good luck

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2020-09-24T08:57:04+00:00

oakesy

Roar Guru


Bookies generally prefer long shots to win, if they are ever exposed, which isn't often, its when the "favourite" comes home same as horse racing .. but for sport by far the majority of turnover goes on the individual games not so much "who wins the Premiership" so yes they clean up .. eventually

2020-09-24T08:11:30+00:00

JOHN ALLAN

Guest


After 2 rounds Broncos 11/1 to win GF. What price are they now?

2020-09-24T06:56:13+00:00

Joe

Roar Rookie


I think the Roosters should be outright favs. Took them at $7 after they lost the first 2 games. They've got an 8 day turnaround compared to the Storms 6 which is why the Storm rested players. Last time the Storm rested players in the final round they got well beaten in the last round then went out in straight sets after. I have a theory that is to do with players playing at different intensity due to some being well rested while the others overexerted in the final round trying to get a win with reserve grade players around them.

2020-09-24T06:52:07+00:00

Joe

Roar Rookie


The Dragons were $9 on Monday night...I thought I'll put money on that tomorrow as I suspected the Storm would rest players due to a 6 day turnaround to face the Roosters...they were $4.50 the following morning which I took anyway, they're now favorites at $1.70.

2020-09-24T06:39:15+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


So Oaksey, you are tipping the two bookies' favourites, but you've left yourself totally exposed to the minor premiers who have beaten both these favourites throughout the season, and have now won 14 straight, and who are all fit & firing, and who arguably have not even peaked as yet ? It seems you are simply using the old chestnut of previous GF experience or lack of it, as your sole "reasoning" for excluding all but the Storm & Roosters to be worthy contenders. You give little consideration to current season form , current health status of the teams ( especially of the Storm & Roosters both already managing a number of injury issues) , home ground advantages through the finals and other issues in this covid season. How about the advantages of the "underdog" status , as it seems the Panthers must qualify there now ( like in 2003) according to you and the bookies ? Are you really sure your bets are not just a gamble ? If you must limit your reasoning to historical precedents , you might consider that the Panthers who have previously won the minor premiership only twice before , also won the Grand Finals in both those years.

2020-09-24T06:37:01+00:00

Big Daddy

Guest


I'm waiting with baited breath for Brett" pointsbet" Finch to make his tips. Geez that's enough to turn you off for life.

2020-09-24T02:57:17+00:00

Tony

Roar Guru


I'm not discounting the Panthers yet. Oh yes, and gamble responsibly

2020-09-24T00:48:39+00:00

Noosa Duck

Roar Rookie


Robbo has put a full strength side back on the paddock for this one. Simply look at it this way, the opportunity to beat Soufs twice in a season is pretty solid motivation for these blokes.The local bragging rights for that alone are huge. I doubt the trip to suncorp to play the storm will phase the Chooks either they have travelled well of recent times and have had some harder games than the Storm of recent times. The game against WestsTigers last week was a training run and a sloppy one at that. Regardless, if the Panthers make the GF the team they face will have had the advantage of having been there, done that knowing how to handle the occasion. Then again a bunch of young blokes with nothing to loose who knows?

2020-09-24T00:42:42+00:00

Tim Carter

Roar Pro


I'm sure the gambling agencies are quivering in their boots...

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