Five talking points from the Eifel Grand Prix

By Ben Waterworth / Roar Guru

Not a classic, not a snoozefest. Somwhere in the middle.

But it still brought about plenty to talk about. Let’s get to it.

Finally, Danny Ric gets his due
How sweet it is to see Daniel Ricciardo back on the podium. After 47 races and 868 days, finally that Australian flag is seen gracing the top three once more. And it was a race in which he deserved to finally taste that champagne and have his hard work pay off.

Nobody outside of the Mercedes drivers had scored more points than Dan over the last few races, and that Renault has finally started to come into its own. The car is now essentially the third best car in the field, and in an incredibly tight midfield, that is an important piece to note.

That is reflected by the fact that Dan is now fourth in the Championship, ten points clear of Sergio Perez. Renault too are now only six points behind Racing Point in third place. Things finally are coming up Millhouse for the French team, although I’m sure Cyril Abiteboul’s skin right now isn’t feeling the same.

Many have questioned now if it is the best time for Dan to be switching teams again when it seems Renault have finally come good. The proof in that pudding will be next year, but for now, it’s great to see Dan finally having his skill and talents matched in a car that can get him the results he deserves.

Daniel Ricciardo. (Photo by Joe Portlock/Getty Images)

Hamilton’s 91 wins don’t mean as much as Schumacher
Let’s run some statistics by you to put Hamilton’s record equalling win into context.

When Michael Schumacher reached 91 wins, he had amassed 72 of those wins for one team. Lewis Hamilton has amassed 70 with one team.

Both drivers spent a significant amount of their careers winning in dominant periods. The key difference being, when Schumacher won 72 races for Ferrari, he drove for the team when they won only 46 per cent of all races held.

Hamilton? He has driven for Mercedes when they have won an astonishing 66 per cent of races held in the time he has driven for them. This also comes with the added fact that there are more races for him to win, and less rule changes brought in to stop their dominance.

Need I remind people that the FIA brought in sweeping changes not once, but twice in a deliberate attempt to stop Ferrari winning so much in the early 2000s. Something they have never done to stop Mercedes dominance.

When Schumacher reached his 91st win at the 2006 Chinese Grand Prix, that was done in his 248th race. The Eifel Grand Prix was Lewis Hamilton’s 261st.

On that basis alone, you could argue that Schumacher had a much more dominant period and/or car to help him get to that sooner. To put that into context, Schumacher was in his 11th season for Ferrari when he reached his 91st overall win and 72nd win for the team.

Hamilton is only in his eighth for Mercedes when reaching his 70th win for the team. Schumacher had won 40 per cent of all his races for Ferrari on his 91st win, while Hamilton has won 46 per cent of all of his races for Mercedes.

Based on this statistic, and calculating that there will be 22 races in 2021 and 2022 and 2023, should Hamilton reach season 11 for Mercedes in 2023, he will reach 99 wins for Mercedes that year, and 120 overall.

Simply put, Hamilton has more races to win and a much more dominant car to do so in, far more than Schumacher ever had the luxury to do.

Now, I’m not trying to take away from the achievement of Hamilton winning 91 races. It is an amazing achievement that can’t be overlooked. Hamilton is an all-time great of the sport and will go down as a true icon of F1.

But claiming Hamilton reaching the 91-win milestone makes him equal or greater than Schumacher? That’s hard to do.

Formula One is a constant source of innovation. (Mark Thompson/Getty Images)

Statistics generally don’t lie, and anybody can see the period in which Hamilton has reached these statistics has made it far easier for him to reach this record. Yes, a great team and car is only as great as the driver in it and needs that driver to be able to push it to the best.

That is Formula One, and always will be. But there is no denying Hamilton has had arguably the longest, most unhindered successful run in the history of the sport.

To put this into further context, one amazing stat that must be noted comes from a former record holder for most wins in F1: the iconic Juan Manuel Fangio, who achieved 24 wins in the 1950s. The stats around Fangio are incredible. He raced only in 51 races, meaning he had a win percentage of 47 per cent.

Putting that into context, Hamilton currently has a win percentage of just under 35per cent, while Schumacher’s percentage is just under 30 per cent.

To make this even better, Fangio’s win percentage was a whopping 53 per cent at the time he won his last race at the 1957 German Grand Prix. And while this then sounds like he was the Hamilton or Schumacher of the 50s by completely dominating the sport, Fangio did this with four different teams.

Four. And each of the four teams he won with, he would go on to win a World Championship with. Schumacher and Hamilton have only won with two different teams.

So perhaps if we want to base who is the greatest of all time to hold the record for most wins in the history of the sport, we might need to go back and acknowledge Mr Fangio a little more.

Albon once again digs himself a hole
I thought the tide was finally turning for Alex Albon after his podium at the Tuscan Grand Prix. It was a deserving podium that he desperately needed.

But after his last two races, once again Albon is on the cusp. It was a particularly scrappy race for the Thai driver, with some rookie moves not doing his case any better.

When you have a certain super-sub German driver who is capable of having no track time in a car and finishing eighth after qualifying last, and a certain Mexican driver who nearly scored a podium after a solid drive doing so well behind you, it’s hard to see how Albon can’t be under pressure.

There is also that little fact of the junior Red Bull team having an actual race winner in their team now, so the dominoes really are falling against Mr Albon.

I get it, the guy is likeable. He is nice. He is talented. And we all want to see him succeed. I understand that. And despite what previous comments on my previous posts have claimed, it is possible to like a driver and still be critical of them. And I do like Albon.

I meet all those criteria I just mentioned when it comes to my feelings on him as a person and his potential as a driver. But sometimes a likeability of a driver can cloud your overall feelings for them. And there is no denying that the likability of Albon seemingly clouds the true thought process and opinion of just how he has been doing in that team this year.

If there was any other driver in that Red Bull, they would’ve been long sacked and nobody would even bat an eyelid. Sadly for Albon, these clouds need to be removed and Red Bull need to make a decision soon to fix a problem they have been in since Danny Ric left in 2018.

Raikkonen the record breaker
While many celebrate the milestone of Hamilton reaching 91 wins, let’s take another moment to congratulate Kimi Raikkonen on breaking the record for most race starts in the history of Formula One. 327 starts is absolutely incredible, and it arguably couldn’t have happened to somebody better.

Kimi Raikkonen has had an excellent career. (Photo by Mark Thompson/Getty Images)

Kimi is an enigma in the sport, and somebody who back in 2001 surely none of us would’ve assumed would be at this point. Remember when everybody was concerned that this young kid with barely 20 races to his name was about to race in F1?

The backlash against him getting the Sauber drive was like nothing that had ever been seen before. And this came only a year after the intense backlash Jenson Button got for being signed to Williams. The early 2000s certainly were an odd time to be a rookie in F1, and one that I’m sure would laugh at the sport today when 17 and 18-year-olds are getting their starts in the sport.

Raikkonen has often described F1 as his ‘hobby’. No matter what it is to him, and even though he barely cares that he has reached the record, I think I speak on behalf of every F1 fan by taking off my hat to the Iceman and congratulating him on an amazing career. Let’s hope it continues for just a little bit longer.

Stroll has the runs, Latifi isn’t last again
Well this might be the shortest ‘Canada watch’ section of the year eh? Nothing much to talk about. Nicholas Latifi had a brief little battle with a Ferrari which was entertaining, and in a race that was full of high attrition, it looked like he could sneak in a point and make all ten teams appear in the points rather than just nine.

But alas, it wasn’t to be, and Mr Latifi had to settle for 14th, which wasn’t last so that was a good result.

As for Lance, while he didn’t get to run at all during the weekend he certainly had the runs of another sort.

According to Racing Point team principal Otmar Szafnauer, he “hadn’t left the toilet” for most of the weekend, meaning Lance wasn’t well enough to take part in qualifying, let alone the race. The fear being that he may just have an accident or two in the car during the weekend, and it was best for him to sit out.

A shame for Lance given the strong performance of Sergio Perez to finish fourth and for Nico Hulkenberg to come in and finish eighth after starting last.

Another race done and another too look forward to in two weeks’ time. And we’re back at the legendary Imola circuit! You know what that means for me to say now right? Bring it on!

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2020-10-13T03:55:44+00:00

Ben Waterworth

Roar Guru


Lol

2020-10-13T01:53:48+00:00

Nick

Roar Guru


Oh, I guarantee they will change the culture in a heartbeat when they have a car that is a legitimate chance to win the constructors title. One very experienced driver, and one seasoned professional will be in the seats then. This "senior-junior" thing is a side show to compensate for the fact Mercedes is all dominating. Vettel-Webber, Vettel-Riccardo are examples of that.

2020-10-13T01:08:30+00:00

Dexter The Hamster

Roar Rookie


He was on the podium last race, and his car broke this race. Lets give some credit. I would prefer both Checo and Hulk over him (over half the field in fact), but its a massive change in culture and approach for RB to abandon their junior drivers and go for an established player from outside.

2020-10-13T01:04:42+00:00

Dexter The Hamster

Roar Rookie


You are a sad little man Simoc. Not sure I have ever seen you contribute anything positive.

2020-10-12T11:48:34+00:00

Dexter The Hamster

Roar Rookie


I feel there are some valid points raised here on comparing Lewis v MSC. MSC's teammates were ordered to move aside about 3 times, in all those years. Yes we remember those 3 times, but its because it stood out. And you need to look at win percentages each year, not overall..

2020-10-12T09:53:45+00:00

GaiusBaltar68

Roar Rookie


'Lies, damned lies and statistics'. It's an interesting approach you take on discounting Hamilton's records using some cherry-picked stats. Just a thought, did you consider the effect of Schumacher spending his years of dominance in a team where his team-mate was explicitly instructed to move over? Hamilton has never had that privilege. If the Mercs are winning 66% of races (I'm taking your stats at face value), and Hamilton had the same benefit, just how many would he have already won? I'm no fan of this seeming never-ending need of fans to claim xxxx is the GOAT. It's an impossible question to answer, and so needless. Just enjoy the performances. But, by way of disclosure, when in Buenos Aires I did visit Fangio's statue.

2020-10-12T09:37:10+00:00

Simoc

Guest


Pretty clueless article but not unusual for Ben. Schumacher changed F1 in many ways; strategies, pitstops, beneath the radar software for traction control (only a sidelined Senna sitting trackside picked up on it), driving through corners, stopping on the circuit to prevent his qualifying time being broken, running others off the track to win the title (Senna showed him that ). Of course stats gurus like Ben never know or understand these things. Hamilton is a faster driver though and to speed fanatics he is the purest champion. He hasn't needed Schumachers antics to get there and Schumacher is an all time great driver. But Dan has stuffed up taking McLarens dollars over a WDC. McLaren are going nowhere next year as development points are curtailed by switching to the Mercedes engine. The Racing Point car must be fast but Vettels form has been horrendous this year, not without reason either. So Alonso takes over a fast car and Dan gets the Mclaren with Norris on equal terms. So many braking mistakes in Germany it must have been difficult. Albon wasn't good either but how stupid are his critics. They show that dummies also follow F1. Ben is one of them.

2020-10-12T08:28:44+00:00

JGK

Roar Guru


Red Bull might be third best after Merc and Racing Point!

2020-10-12T06:11:46+00:00

Dexter The Hamster

Roar Rookie


My dear old mother is terrified that Danny Ric has made an error in moving to McLaren next year. I told her not to worry, I still feel the McLaren's are a better car, and with DR in one, with a Mercedes engine strapped in, they will be a force next year.

AUTHOR

2020-10-12T06:10:59+00:00

Ben Waterworth

Roar Guru


Oh I haven't heard of it! Will definitely look it up!

2020-10-12T06:06:34+00:00

Dexter The Hamster

Roar Rookie


A Life of Speed. On Netflix. I haven't seen it yet, but have it noted for later in the week.

2020-10-12T04:11:08+00:00

Nick

Roar Guru


True. Riccardo needed a car to falter. Grosjean needed an entire fleet to falter.

2020-10-12T03:45:43+00:00

Micko

Roar Rookie


Well...that's usually the case unfortunately with F1 these days. Ricciardo wasn't getting the podium unless Bottas, Hamilton or Verstappen had car issues or were involved in some accident.

AUTHOR

2020-10-12T03:43:34+00:00

Ben Waterworth

Roar Guru


I think based on pace they do. Ocon has closed the gap and has had some bad luck, and Danny is driving out of his skin. But judging on the last three or so races, they seemingly have been. But having said that, it is ridiculously close between them, Racing Point and McLaren. You'd argue McLaren have the most complete drive line up so therefore are always up there, followed closely by RP and Renault in third. Ocon really hasn't lived up to this hype that has surrounded him, so that causes them to languish a bit, even though as I just said he has closed the gap slightly.

AUTHOR

2020-10-12T03:39:29+00:00

Ben Waterworth

Roar Guru


It's insane what he achieved looking back on it. He is a driver I wish they'd focus on more somehow, be it through a documentary series or a movie or something. Especially when there are amazing stories to tell like him getting kidnapped and held for ransom, and the fact that Ayrton Senna looked up to him like people like up to Senna now. Fangio was an enigma. And I feel this gets forgotten about nowadays

2020-10-12T02:31:03+00:00

Nick

Roar Guru


Look who had to exit the race for it to happen...

2020-10-12T02:30:33+00:00

Nick

Roar Guru


Verstappen can't rely on Albon to play a good foil role. You could rely more on Checo or Hulk

2020-10-12T01:37:26+00:00

Dexter The Hamster

Roar Rookie


Does Renault have the third best car on the grid, or is Danny Ric just getting more out if than he should? When you consider his team mate isn't even in the top 10 in the drivers championship, and the team is still back in 5th overall, Danny in 4th place seems to be doing an Alonso. Agree on Lewis v MSC. I rate Lewis very highly, he is very fast and gets the most out of his car, and deserves to be in the conversation about greatest of all time. But plenty of factors in his favour, which I believe you pointed out fairly well, the most striking for me is the dominance of his team for going on 7 seasons, fairly unprecedented.

2020-10-12T01:30:51+00:00

Dexter The Hamster

Roar Rookie


Its hard to believe both Checo and Hulk don't have a drive for next year.

2020-10-12T01:29:41+00:00

Dexter The Hamster

Roar Rookie


To be fair to Albon, it was a car issue in the end that stopped his race. Yes, we has a bit scratchy, but he wouldn't have finished the race in any case. He was on the podium last race. But I agree with the sentiment of both you and Ben, he is on shaky ground for good reason.

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