Cricket’s debatable statistics: The team strength effect

By matth / Roar Guru

There are two aspects here that require examination.

Firstly, what effect should being a star in a weak team have on our view of their career records? Secondly, should an individual’s place in history be influenced by the success of their team?

The Murali-Warne paradox
Shane Warne’s career ratio of wins compared to losses is just over 3.5 (92 wins and 26 losses), compared to 1.3 for Muttiah Muralitharan (54 wins and 42 losses).

At some point in every Warne versus Muralitharan debate we come to the question of whether a player’s greatness should be discounted or enhanced by playing for a weaker side. The answer in part probably depends on whether you support Australian or Sri Lankan cricket.

Broadly the arguments in favour of the Warne view are as follows.

Muralitharan didn’t have to share his wickets with other top-class bowlers. I have some sympathy with this. During Murali’s career his record compared to all his teammates was as follows. Murali took 800 wickets at 22.7 versus the rest, who took 1168 wickets at 36.5. So Muralitharan took 40.7 per cent of wickets at nearly 14 runs better than his peers.

In contrast, Warne took 708 wickets at 25.4 versus the rest, who took 1793 at 27.9. So Warne grabbed only 28.3 per cent of wickets at just two runs better than his stronger peers.

The Sri Lankan pace bowlers rarely ran through opposition sides leaving the spinner with little to do. Apart from some Chaminder Vass heroics, Sri Lanka weren’t known for incisive pace bowling and Murali was often into the attack at the earliest opportunity.

He bowled less than 15 overs in only 8.7 per cent of his innings, compared to Warne with 20.1 per cent. I can only find five times in 239 innings played where Muralitharan genuinely bowled less than 15 overs in a substantial completed innings by the opposition (and only one of those innings was lasted for over 200 runs).

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Sri Lankan pitches would be tailored to favour Murali. This is broadly true. There is no way Murali was turning up to Galle and finding the groundsman busily adding water to the pitch.

However, this is a bit of a chicken-and-egg argument. Sri Lankan pitches have always favoured spinners leading to the rise of players like Murali and Rangana Herath. Australian pitches tend to produce bowlers like Dennis Lillee and Jeff Thomson. English pitches tend to produce bowlers like Jimmy Anderson and other assorted dibbly dobblers.

During the Warne era, Australian pitches were still holding their own characteristics favouring Glenn McGrath and Jason Gillespie as well as Warne.

Add to that a good point by a Roarer on my last article (thanks Chris Kettlewell) that Warne’s profile was home Tests on non-friendly tracks, half his away Tests in similar conditions like England and South Africa, and then a small number of away Tests in spinning conditions, but against players used to them.

In contrast, Murali got 50 per cent of his Tests in friendly conditions at home, and at least half the time the visitors were players to whom those conditions were foreign (like Australians and Kiwis). Warne rarely got to bowl against clueless batsmen on helpful pitches.

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As an aside, does anyone else remember the first couple of post-Warne Ashes series in England? With Graeme Swann running rampant, we saw some very dry English pitches. Funny that.

Murali bowled a greater proportion of his team’s overs. There was definitely more opportunity for Muralitharan to take wickets. His team struck every 66.7 balls compared to Australia’s 58.1 balls. Murali bowled 33.5 per cent of his team’s deliveries, compared to 28 per cent for Warne.

Was this actually an advantage to his record in terms of average and strike rate? The great Sri Lankan must have had some mighty tired fingers at times.

When winning the toss, Sri Lankans would always make sure Murali got to bowl last. This is broadly true, however Australians have a healthy aversion to send the opposition in as well, unless you are Ricky Ponting and you’ve just seen your strike bowler roll his ankle.

Sri Lanka won the toss and bowled on 23 occasions out of 133 Test matches involving Murali. The record for Warne is 13 and 145, a lower proportion than for Sri Lanka.

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In contrast, Muralitharan supporters might point out arguments like these.

A lack of quality bowling partnerships means that it is harder to maintain pressure on the batsman. There was no way batsmen could have a rest down the other end while Warne was bowling, as they were likely to run into a combination McGrath, Gillespie, Brett Lee or Stuart MacGill.

Against Sri Lanka, players could just sit on Murali and score down the other end. Of course, if a player tried to just stonewall Murali or Warne, it was often an invitation to head on back to the pavilion for an early shower while commentators tried to come up with any variation of the ‘deer in the headlights’ analogy.

Opposition teams would tailor pitches to try and combat Murali, given they had no one else to worry about. I have no evidence, but I’m pretty sure the English and Australian curators weren’t out on the ground the day before a Test match against Sri Lanka showing their skills with a wire brush.

Murali had to act as both a strike and stock bowler, wearing him out and risking ineffectiveness and injury. This also led to Murali struggling on even when the pitch was unfavourable to him, whereas Warne could always throw the ball back to McGrath.

Warne never had to bowl at the champion Australian batting side. This is very true, and Warne’s Sheffield Shield record of 161 wickets at an underwhelming average of 34.7 suggests some of his greatest battles were at the domestic level.

Murali fans also point out greater pressure on Murali given if he didn’t perform, the team had no chance, with an entire country sitting on his back. Okay, so I literally despise this argument. Let’s call it the Tendulkar argument.

If you ever listen to post-career interviews with professionals from any sport, the pressure they all feel is immense – to not let down their supporters, family, themselves or teammates. A great player puts that pressure on themselves and whether their supporter base is 15 million or one billion doesn’t matter.

In some previous articles I measured players’ performances compared to their teammates in those same matches. The results for Warne and Muralitharan are as follows.

Average compared to peers: Warne +8.99 per cent, Muralitharan +37.9 per cent.

Strike rate compared to peers: Warne +1.68 per cent, Muralitharan +26.46 per cent.

There are valid arguments on both sides of the weak team discussion. How would Warne and Muralitharan have fared if their situations had been reversed? We can never know and we almost certainly will never see their like again.

The Andy Flower perplexity
Should an individual’s worth be influenced by the success of his team?

Andy Flower is the best batsman-keeper in cricket history. From 55 Tests as a wicketkeeper he scored 4404 runs at a batting average of 53.7. He passed 50 in one out of every 2.9 innings. Often coming in under tremendous pressure, Flower scored 16.6 per cent of his entire team’s runs over his career.

Even including his few underwhelming innings as a non-keeper (because I couldn’t work out to exclude them), Flower’s career average was 51.54 compared to the rest of his top seven in those matches of only 26.93. That’s a 91.4 per cent difference in output. The man was a colossus.

His three rivals for this title would be as follows.

Player Matches Runs Average Scores >50 Win/loss ratio
Adam Gilchrist 96 5570 47.6 1 in 3.2 6.64
AB De Villiers 24 2067 57.4 1 in 2.8 2
Kumar Sangakkara 48 3117 40.5 1 in 4.5 1.26

That last column – win/loss ratio – is Flower’s great weakness. During his career Zimbabwe won just seven Tests from 63 attempts for a win/loss ratio of 0.2.

In contrast I showed in a previous article that Adam Gilchrist is the winningest player in Test cricket history. Gilchrist is often described as a match-winner, Flower is most certainly not.

Should this matter? Flower’s batting average in those rare wins was a truly massive 84.5, which was more than double than his peers in those matches. Gilchrist’s average in wins was just 2.3 per cent better than his fellow batsmen in those games. Flower did the heavy lifting, Gilchrist put the icing on the cake.

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Gilchrist’s record is likely negatively influenced by having runs stolen off him by Australia’s very strong top order and by sacrificing his average for the good of the team chasing quick runs.

In contrast, Flower batted at five or above in 85 per cent of his innings and came in with the score under 150 on many occasions, which Gilchrist rarely did.

Flower had many more opportunities to dig in and bat for big scores, but he also faced better bowlers than his own team had at its disposal and they were usually fresh and confident by the time he walked to the crease. Which circumstance makes for the better player?

Maybe we should just defer to the remarkable AB De Villiers, with a batting average as keeper of 57.4 (although from just 24 matches) and the sweetest 360-degree game on the planet.

Greats Brian Lara and Shivnarine Chanderpaul have lost more Tests than just about any other players in history. The superb Sir Richard Hadlee had a 25.6 per cent winning percentage. West Indian legend George Headley was the ‘black Bradman’ but only won five Tests in 22 attempts. He averaged 95.75 in those wins.

On the other hand, Brett Lee won 71 per cent of Tests he played, second only to Adam Gilchrist in all of cricket history (minimum 50 wins).

So despite me devoting months of my life to a series of articles showing how players performed in wins for their country, when assessing a cricketer’s place in history, does winning really matter?

The Crowd Says:

2021-05-31T15:03:24+00:00

Sedz

Guest


Good Article. I disagree with your opinion about Pressure. Definitely players get affected by pressure and some players get more undue pressure than others. A players playing for India or Australia may have more pressure than a player playing for WI or NZ. It may be pressure to perform during a big game, competition for places, media scrutiny over poor form, opposition or just a game situation. One can only ask the great James LeBron about the 2011 finals against Dallas. Great players or not, players from different team will face pressure. Each cricketer is different, and their response to these competitive stressors will vary too. Nowadays in the last decade, teams started appointing Mental conditioning coach to handle this.

2021-05-28T02:05:00+00:00

Micko

Roar Rookie


Yeah maybe.

2021-05-28T02:00:25+00:00


And GM benifited massively by bowling to NZ batsmen where as Hadlee didnt get that chance did he. Imagine if Hadlee had played for Aus v the NZ batsmen of that era. Do you have proof that Warne won more games for Aus than MM did for SriLanka? Love to see it please because 22 10W hauls is WAY better than 10. Plus having close to double the 5W in an innings is staggering. Warne being better than MM its just your opinion as facts say otherwise but you refuse to see it becvause Warne played for Aus and MM played for SL

2021-05-28T00:11:16+00:00

Micko

Roar Rookie


Without the context though those stats only paint half a picture. Hadlee benefited from mediocre teammates not taking wickets from him, the same way Murali did. Warne changed games in a session, a true match winner.

2021-05-28T00:02:33+00:00


Micko thats the thing isnt it, You have stats to say who performed the best over the length of their career then you have opinion. The Hadlee v Mcgrath arguement is that in reality they were both great bowlers of their time but they didnt play in the same era so its harder to do a direct comparrison. Hadlee's test bowling average is slightly inferior to GMs but his 5w and 10 w is superior even tho he played around 40 tests less which is what they did earlier. His batting is of course far superior to GMs tho 27 v 7.... with 2 hundreds and 15 50s but I would rate both as must haves in a team of the whatever.... You cannot prove in any way that Warne is superior to MM. Yet I can prove statistacally that MM is superior to SW

2021-05-27T23:49:52+00:00

The Late News

Roar Rookie


lots. take it from me.

2021-05-27T23:38:09+00:00

Micko

Roar Rookie


So Jacko, you rate McGrath as better than Hadlee due to more test wickets? And quoting 5 wicket hauls and 10 wickets in a match as definitive proof of Murali's supremacy? Pretty disingenuous when you know Warne was competing with bowlers the calibre of McGrath, Gillespie, Lee & MacGill for wickets. Who was Murali's competition for wickets?

2021-05-27T23:31:42+00:00


No Micko its the 800 v 706 test wickets. The 67 5W hauls v 37 5W hauls. The 22 10W hauls in a match v the 10 10W hauls and the average of 22.73 v the 25.42 that makes me think it Micko. It looks far more that you are argueing Warne is better simply because he is Australian than anything Im argueing as NOT 1 STAT favors Warne. Great bowler. Just not the greatest spin bowler we have seen. Probably the greatest leg spin bowler but not the best spin bowler.

2021-05-27T23:12:36+00:00


No worries Bernie. Warne, altho having the clearly inferior test bowling record, is far better than Murili because he is an Australian. Not 1 of Murilis 67 5-W in innings or any of his 22 10-W in a match ever won a game for Sri Lanka. The fact he averaged 22.73 runs per wicket clearly makes him worse than Warne’s 37 5-fors and 10 10-fors at a 25.42 average.

2021-05-27T12:15:01+00:00

Once Upon a Time on the Roar

Roar Guru


That Sydney test of early Jan 1986 has a story. Allan Border’s wife was due to give birth on the final scheduled day. India made 4 for 600 on first two days then Australia went to stumps 0-169 on rain shortened 3rd day and a few minor further interruptions on day 4 saw them finish 4 for 347 on day 4. They got to 371 before 5th wicket, Border, fell for 71. Then right on lunch, master tailender Bruce Reid fell 4 runs short of avoiding follow on, so Australia out for 396. Border had been planning on flying to Brisbane for birth of child immediately upon avoiding follow on. So then he reassessed his game plan. He kept dropping himself down the order thinking that as soon as the game is fundamentally saved he’ll jump on a plane. But it didn’t happen and he went in about number 8 I think and Australia finished 6 for 119, with Greg Ritchie saving the day with a blazing 17 off only 166 balls.

2021-05-27T12:07:40+00:00

Once Upon a Time on the Roar

Roar Guru


Do you not mean 329 at Trent Bridge of all places in 1989? Though Boon and Marsh put on 217 in Sydney against India in January 1986.

2021-05-27T12:06:25+00:00

Once Upon a Time on the Roar

Roar Guru


The environment no doubt as you say. Certainly in Warehouse cricket in Brisbane, the lankan men are the most gentlemanly of all.

2021-05-27T12:05:20+00:00

Jeff

Roar Rookie


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2021-05-27T12:05:14+00:00

Once Upon a Time on the Roar

Roar Guru


Well you'll be pleased to know Jeff that this tiger considers himself poked! :boxing:

2021-05-27T12:03:17+00:00

Jeff

Roar Rookie


Yeah, it was just a bit weird and unexpected from my perspective.

2021-05-27T12:02:24+00:00

Once Upon a Time on the Roar

Roar Guru


Oh goodness me, I forgot Mark Taylor and Geoff Marsh, both of whom also made non-dead rubber half tons in 1991 series when Jones averaged 17 in non-dead rubber innings.

2021-05-27T12:02:02+00:00

Jeff

Roar Rookie


yeah, i was just poking the tiger (you) in the eye Bernie :thumbup:

2021-05-27T11:59:26+00:00

Once Upon a Time on the Roar

Roar Guru


Oh ... John Dyson also made a century against them in a non-dead rubber after taking a rather unforgettable catch.

2021-05-27T11:57:03+00:00

Once Upon a Time on the Roar

Roar Guru


I'm surprised to hear Sri Lankan men as being aggressive, though I certainly believe you.

2021-05-27T11:55:51+00:00

Once Upon a Time on the Roar

Roar Guru


And of course, in that 92-93 series, Damian Martyn made 67 not out in a non-dead rubber that Australia won and Justin Langer was our only half century maker in that 1 run loss in Adelaide.

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