Tribunal for Toby: New vision means Greene's fate for ump bump hangs in balance

By Shayne Hope / Wire

GWS match-winner Toby Greene’s AFL finals fate hangs in the balance after he was sent directly to the tribunal for brushing shoulders with umpire Matt Stevic amid an on-field debate.

The incident occurred at three-quarter time of the Giants’ thrilling one-point win over Sydney on Saturday, which propelled Leon Cameron’s men into a semi-final meeting with Geelong this Friday night.

Greene is in doubt for the sudden-death showdown and may not be available again until next season, with match review officer Michael Christian charging him on Sunday with “intentional umpire contact”.

AFL rules state “contact with an umpire that is aggressive, forceful, demonstrative or disrespectful will be deemed intentional and the player will be directly referred to the tribunal”.

The level of force is irrelevant.

Greene’s fate at the tribunal will in part hinge on evidence provided by experienced whistleblower Stevic around the nature of his interaction with the Giants star.

Fresh camera angles of the incident came to light on Sunday, ending the debate over whether Greene made contact with Stevic.

GWS forward Harry Himmelberg is one of a string of players who have come to Greene’s defence, along with Collingwood leaders Scott Pendlebury and Taylor Adams.

“I’m not sure there was too much in it to be honest,” Himmelberg told AFL Nation on Sunday.

“There’s always going to be a talking point when Toby is involved. We’ll just let it run its course.

“He’s one of those guys you love or you hate, and as a footy club we love him.

“He does play on the edge, but that’s what we love about him.”

Greene has a long tribunal record that includes a $1950 fine eight years ago for reckless umpire contact.

He completed a one-match ban late this season for a high elbow to Geelong star Patrick Dangerfield’s throat, having failed to have the striking charge thrown out on appeal.

Greene also missed the Giants’ preliminary final win over Collingwood two years ago for making contact with Brisbane star Lachie Neale’s eye region.

GWS could also be without Tom Green (arm), Sam Reid (hamstring) and Isaac Cumming (ankle) against Geelong.

The incident split the AFL community.

Collingwood captain Scott Pendlebury wrote on Twitter that there was an “incoming Toby tax”. He claimed Greene’s contact with Stevic wasn’t as aggressive as Lion Lachie Neale’s run-in with an umpire in April, which saw him slapped with a a $1500 fine.

Former Magpie Dane Swan was equally strong in his belief that Greene should escape punishment.

But speaking on Fox Footy’s First Crack, Bulldogs legend Brad Johnson said Greene should be out for “probably three or four weeks as a minimum”.

“Don’t touch the umpires. Full stop!” Johnson said.

“Seriously, I’ve known for 45 years, you do not touch the umpires. Regardless of how frustrated you are, how angry you are, a decision doesn’t go your way, whatever it is you don’t touch them. End of story.

“He could’ve had a verbal and copped a fine, and no one worries about it. You don’t abuse the umpire, he did it anyway, we move on. But he touched the umpire; you just don’t go there.”

Nick Dal Santo agreed that a long punishment was appropriate.

“This is what I really get annoyed about; this is not about setting an example and a precedent for the lower levels,” Dal Santo told First Crack.

“You know you can’t do it. Those people that touch the umpire are doing it anyway, whether Toby Greene gets 10 (weeks) or gets a fine.

“We already know the rules, you’ve learned it since you’re five years old, you do not do that to an umpire.”

Fox Footy’s Nick Riewoldt said the umpires perspective on the incident could be the deciding factor in Greene’s fate.

“Is it a shoulder bump? Is it a hand brush? It’s hard to hang him on that piece of vision, (but) I know it looks bad,” Riewoldt said.

“I think they’ll need another angle, and I think Matt Stevic will play a massive role in this.

“If you actually follow it through and see the context of the conversation and how it unfolds; they’re having a pretty amicable chat. Matt Stevic doesn’t look to be too disturbed afterwards.”

Commentator David King said Greene was in “a lot of trouble”.

“I don’t think there is any way of talking around this. The umpires are a no-go zone and when you decide to walk into their path … I think he made a calculated decision, he’s made a big error,” King said.

“Unfortunately, I think he’ll miss several weeks – that’s just how it sits for me. I’m not sure how you argue your way around that one.

“He knows he’s there, he walks into him, you just can’t do that. We all love him and we all want him to play, but whenever these things happen, more often than not, it’s got Toby involved.

“I feel for the Giants. Coming down from the euphoria of this win will be the reality that Toby’s made a blue.”

Richmond forward Jack Riewoldt added: “He’s really got no one else to blame bar himself.

“He’s an emotional player and we love that about him, because it actually makes him the star he is, and why he stars in games, but this is going to be scrutinised within an inch of its life and it doesn’t look great early on.

“It’s something that’s ingrained in children, in not only the AFL, but all sports across the world, that umpires are sacrosanct.”

The Crowd Says:

2021-08-30T11:06:11+00:00

Dangersphere 10

Roar Rookie


Agreed. The AFL might need to mandate him some psychological sessions to sort himself out, and I don't mean with a "sport psychologist" either. He needs proper help. Has happened way too many times now and it's only a matter of time before someone gets seriously hurt.

2021-08-30T10:30:07+00:00

J.T. Delacroix

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I doubt it. He might be a match winner on his day, but he’s just grown up all wrong. High time someone sat that boy down & had a good, long talk to him.

2021-08-30T10:01:24+00:00

Dangersphere 10

Roar Rookie


Said it a few weeks ago when he nearly crushed Danger's throat and I'm saying it again now, the man is a brilliant player with the attitude of a petulant 9 year old child. He is a delinquent who thinks himself above the laws of the game, and until he is adequately punished, he will go on doing it. Hopefully he learns from this, if its 3-4 weeks and he has cost his team any real hope for the remainder of the finals, maybe, just maybe, he finally will...

2021-08-30T09:00:58+00:00

Pedro The Fisherman

Roar Rookie


1 week or more? Tex got 6 for a deplorable offence, and this one is in that category (at least). The umpires are sacrosanct but abuse them, don’t touch them!

2021-08-30T03:51:54+00:00

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Greene either needs to wheel out his grandma for a character reference, or bring in some kid suffering from leukaemia saying how Toby Greene is his hero to try and distract the tribunal. Preferably in a bandanna for extra diversionary purposes.

2021-08-30T03:07:46+00:00

Kick to Kick

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Headline is all wrong. It’s not in the balance at all. The MRO has already decided it’s intentional/disrespectful. That’s why under the rule it goes straight to the Tribunal. It’s highly unlikely the Tribunal will reverse that finding. The only thing in the balance is the penalty - one week or more! Pity because I love Toby as a player and he’s a highly regarded Giant’s club member off field. But he has this lunatic side to his on field temper. The initial free kick reversal he was so angry about was also stupid. He had the free but couldn’t resist striking McInerny in the throat.

2021-08-30T03:05:45+00:00

PeteB

Roar Rookie


Nah just can’t agree with that. We do not love Toby or his attitude. He is filth and there will be nothing unfortunate about him missing several weeks.

2021-08-30T02:56:42+00:00

Kick to Kick

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The 50 metre has almost nothing to do with foul play. It’s paid for a deliberate attempt to impede or slow a player from moving an attack on quickly after a mark or free kick. So throwing the ball away, punching it out after a mark is paid, holding or pushing a player after a mark is paid, standing in the protected zone to impede kick options are all rightly paid 50 metres. It works brilliantly and is s great rule. It eradicates deliberate gamesmanship after a mark and reduces illegal slowing down tactics in a way it didn’t when it was only a 15 metre penalty. The game is much better for it because it is a big penalty and a serious deterrent to negative unsporting tactics.

2021-08-30T02:07:05+00:00

DTM

Roar Rookie


Would be funny if Stevic turned up to the tribunal hearing with his arm in a sling!

2021-08-29T21:30:36+00:00

The Sports Lover

Roar Rookie


True but I’m on record as saying the whole AFL attitude towards foul play is strange. I’ve seen a player’s little finger gently and lightly scrape the shoulder of a ducking player and the umpire ruling it high contact. The biggest penalty in AFL is the 50 metre free kick which often results in six points. Is it used for serious foul play? Of course not. It is most likely used when a player inadvertently stumbles too close to a player awarded a free kick.

2021-08-29T11:07:13+00:00

.kraM

Roar Rookie


Terrible. I love it.

2021-08-29T11:02:33+00:00

Evs

Guest


If Greene plays again this year the AFL is a joke.

2021-08-29T09:19:07+00:00

vonManstein

Roar Rookie


No chance he can get off.. the contact displayed everything mentioned in rule. Shouldn’t be playing again till 22.

2021-08-29T08:43:13+00:00

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He should get involved in the primary school education review, cause he's Gonski!

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