Cleary confirms it: There are just three kinds of successful NRL coaches

By Joe Frost / Editor

And so, after some 15 years, nearly 400 games, three different clubs and two previous attempts at a grand final, Ivan Cleary is finally a premiership-winning coach.

It sees the 50-year-old at long last remove the gorilla from his back of being one of the longest-serving coaches in NRL history to have never won a title.

Brian Smith – who is still more than 200 games ahead of Cleary – will keep his title as the man with the lengthiest career to have never coached a team to the ultimate rugby league victory.

But then, to be fair to poor ol’ Brian, leading a team to grand final glory is no cakewalk. Of the 24 grand finals played in the NRL era, we’ve only had 14 successful coaches.

This means Ivan joins elite company as a grand final winning mentor who will still be active in the comp next season, with only five of his 2022 colleagues – Craig Bellamy, Trent Robinson, Des Hasler, Ricky Stuart and Michael Maguire (Wayne Bennett doesn’t have a gig next season) – being in possession of those most important of rings.

I put together a spreadsheet a few weeks ago to try and work out what it takes to be a successful NRL coach, then waited until we had this year’s winners to publish it so as to give a more complete picture.

What follows is hard-hitting evidence that there are just three kinds of coaches who succeed in the NRL.

Year Team Coach Won premiership before? If no, seasons experience First grade coach at another NRL club?
1998 Broncos Wayne Bennett Yes No
1999 Storm Chris Anderson Yes Yes
2000 Broncos Wayne Bennett Yes No
2001 Knights Michael Hagan No 1 No
2002 Roosters Ricky Stuart No 1 No
2003 Panthers John Lang No 10 Yes
2004 Bulldogs Steve Folkes No 6 No
2005 Tigers Tim Sheens Yes Yes
2006 Broncos Wayne Bennett Yes No
2007 Storm Craig Bellamy No 5 No
2008 Manly Des Hasler No 5 No
2009 Storm Craig Bellamy Yes No
2010 Dragons Wayne Bennett Yes Yes
2011 Manly Des Hasler Yes No
2012 Storm Craig Bellamy Yes No
2013 Roosters Trent Robinson No 1 No
2014 Rabbitohs Michael Maguire No 3 No
2015 Cowboys Paul Green No 2 No
2016 Sharks Shane Flanagan No 5 No
2017 Storm Craig Bellamy Yes No
2018 Roosters Trent Robinson Yes No
2019 Roosters Trent Robinson Yes No
2020 Storm Craig Bellamy Yes No
2021 Panthers Ivan Cleary No 15 Yes

Legends
The first and most obvious kind of successful coach are the legends of the game.

The first winner of the completely professional, unified competition was Wayne Bennett, who may not have created history on Sunday night by winning a comp with a third club, but even the most jaded Novocastrian (ahem, ahem) will concede the man has sealed his place in rugby league legend.

Then we have the two men who duked it out for the title of greatest coach of the 2010s, with three (legitimate) titles apiece, Craig Bellamy and Trent Robinson.

At just 44 and leading one of the best-run clubs in the game, I’d wager Robinson has a number of titles left in him. As for Bellamy, he won the Dally M Coach of the Year award this year for the simple reason that despite seemingly being in the Autumn of his coaching years, he remains the best in the NRL.

(Photo by Bradley Kanaris/Getty Images)

Des Hasler isn’t in quite the same rarefied air as his Roosters and Storm counterparts, but with two titles at the Sea Eagles – as well as two grand final appearances during his time at the Bulldogs – those who dismiss Des’ legacy are crazier than his hair after a particularly tight win for Manly.

Finally, we have Tim Sheens and Chris Anderson where, I must concede, things get a little messy. Because while they are there with Bennett as one of the few greats to have won premierships at different teams, both their first premierships came with different clubs, prior to the NRL days – Sheens with Canberra and Anderson at the Dogs.

However, I don’t think it’s beyond the pale to acknowledge that Sheens’ trio of titles at the Raiders, as well as Anderson’s achievement with the Bulldogs in ’95 mean they had titles in their kitbag when they won their ‘first’ rings in the NRL era.

Plus, they are both coaches of World Cup winning teams.

They’re legends, is my point, and legends win titles.

First-timer
This was the group who initially seemed the most intriguing to me and that is also the most instructive to clubs that are contemplating giving their coach the boot.

If you can’t land a coach who’s a legend of the game, you should go for a complete newbie.

When Michael Hagan, Ricky Stuart, Steve Folkes, Michael Maguire, Paul Green and Shane Flanagan won their titles, they had never coached at another club.

Not for nothing either, but premiership glory also came at their first club for Bellamy, Hasler and Robinson.

My grouping of ‘first-timer’ doesn’t mean they’re a rookie either, merely that it’s their first club. Because while Hagan, Stuart and Robinson reached the summit in their first season, it took Green two years, Maguire three and Folkes six – hell, both Bellamy and Halser needed five goes.

Trent Robinson – a premiership winner in his first year. (Photo by Jason McCawley/Getty Images)

So for teams like the Eels, Titans and Knights, don’t let the fact your coaches haven’t got you near the title yet necessarily discourage you, because – even if your coach is Brad Arthur, with more than 200 games in charge – this is their first attempt.

I’m not entirely sure what the psychology behind this is, but a coach who’s had a crack and failed elsewhere is at long, long odds of getting your club to the peak of Everest.

What I’d also point out is that if your club has got a seasoned pro who hasn’t won a title before – looking at you St George Illawarra, Canterbury and Warriors – you’re probably in need of a new boss before you’ll taste the ultimate success.

But didn’t Ivan Cleary fall into this very category until Sunday night? I’m glad you brought that up. Because Ivan now confirms that there is a third, highly specific category of successful NRL coach.

Dads at Penrith
And it’s here where my interest in first-timers was relegated to being the second-most interesting group.

The real story is the third group of successful NRL coaches.

Dads at Penrith.

The first was the great John Lang, who had eight seasons at the helm of the Sharks, during which time he took Cronulla to the ’97 Super League grand final and had more than his fair share of finals appearances, but was recruited to the Panthers ahead of the 2002 season with no chunky, gaudy rings on his fingers.

That changed on a fateful night in October 2003, when Lang’s Penrith seized a boilover victory to stop Stuart’s Roosters from securing back-to-back titles.

The story goes that when asked after the game how he was feeling, Lang replied, “I’m just worried the alarm clock is about to go off!”

And what surely made it the ultimate dream was that he had won the title with his son, Martin Lang, as the team’s fearless forward-leader (and, it would be remiss of me not to mention, who these days goes by the descriptor “PhD Candidate, Neuroscience” – the most terrifying prop of his era is soon set to be Dr Lang, I presume).

Now, with due respect to John Lang, I think it’s fair to say he doesn’t feature in the ‘legends’ coaching conversation. This was to be his first and only grand final win as a coach – no mean feat, but while he’s in the conversation of great coaches, his resume lacks the punch to put him in the mythical category.

What separates Lang from the others was that he had spent ten seasons at two different clubs before his win. He was neither a first-timer, nor a legend.

Just like Ivan.

This was Cleary’s third club and fourth attempt, given he had previously been sacked by the Panthers (because apparently he just kept taking naps under his desk or something). He’s no first-timer.

Panthers coach Ivan Cleary defended his players’ behaviour. (Photo by Ian Hitchcock/Getty Images)

And while this is less than 48 hours after his first-ever premiership win, and he’s got a young group of players under him who could yet win more titles, he’s still a way away from being put in the ‘legend’ category.

But you know what he’s got in his arsenal?

A young bloke named Nathan Cleary as his side’s halfback, co-captain and freshly minted Clive Churchill Medallist.

So some 18 years after father-and-son duo John and Martin Lang won a title with the Panthers, we see a fellow dual-generation spanning pair holding the Provan-Summons Trophy aloft.

It’s a heart-warming sight and cements this iron-clad law of what it takes to coach an NRL club to a title.

You need to be a legend.

Or you need to be a first-timer.

Or you need to be a dad at Penrith.

The Crowd Says:

2021-10-07T00:48:25+00:00

DP Schaefer

Roar Rookie


Don't support South. Get your facts right.

2021-10-06T17:21:49+00:00

Paul

Guest


In 2019, Penrith finished in 10th position . I think most of the experts predicted that they would again finish outside of the top 8 in 2020. Their really wasn’t much talk of many players in the first grade team being great players, before the 2020 season. Capewell came from Cronulla ( for example ), as a mostly unwanted sometimes reserve. Went on to play SOO & became a sought after regular first grader. In fact, after the Panthers amazing 2020 season in which they finished as minor premiers & lost the GF. Still many had them finishing further down the table in 2021. That was correct. They finished 2nd , on the same amount of points as Minor Premiers Melbourne. Despite looking a worse side , especially in attack. Going the long way around in the finals. They Won the Premiership. Great team , or great coaching?

2021-10-06T10:37:20+00:00

Rabbit Stew

Guest


There’s always some South’s supporter nutter , putting in some garbage comment. Get over it. South’s played against a team with 5 players carrying serious injuries. Another that couldn’t play because of an injury. Yet they still weren’t good enough to Win.

2021-10-06T09:11:17+00:00

Redcap

Roar Guru


"Or you need to be a dad at Penrith." Cue massive house price rises in the Penrith area as dads and their sons flock out west in search of premiership glory. I strongly suspect Joe is working in cahoots with Brad Drew :) https://www.linkedin.com/in/brad-drew-87793452/?originalSubdomain=au As a distinguished veteran of a premiership in the U/14's (and two losing GF's on either side), I think it's an elusive confluence of a coach who has or stumbles upon a good formula, a talented group and a good group dynamic. Oh, and the opposition's best player being unavailable for the decider. Our most feared opponent in the U/14's (who played very briefly in the NRL) missed the GF due to a freak injury sustained mucking about at school or in the backyard - can't remember exactly. Our Latrell Mitchell, bless him.

AUTHOR

2021-10-06T05:28:02+00:00

Joe Frost

Editor


Yep, the same way we're ignoring Super League, under 20s and reserve grade titles. It's a great achievement, but it's not a win in Australia's top flight.

2021-10-05T23:03:20+00:00

Andrew01

Roar Rookie


So we're ignoring John Lang coaching in 4 Brisbane Grand finals with 2 premierships before joining Cronulla?

2021-10-05T21:07:56+00:00

Forty Twenty

Roar Rookie


The Tigers will have the coaching dream team on their case next year, Sheens and Madge. Can't see any cattle like Daley , Stuart , Inglis, or Sam Burgess though. Bennett could join the coaching staff as well but they won't be holding up any trophies.

2021-10-05T18:35:13+00:00

London Panther

Roar Rookie


Hard to win, but a few have taken sides to GFs. The aforementioned Smith with the early 90s Saints, Cleary with the Warriors, even Green with the 17 Cows have taken sides that had little right to be near the Premiership to GFs.

2021-10-05T18:30:41+00:00

London Panther

Roar Rookie


I agree with this. The Sts sides that played the Broncs in the early 90s had no right to be there, and played what was effectively the QLD SoO side. To suggest that his achievements in that year reflects poorly on him is outrageous.

2021-10-05T09:17:37+00:00

DP Schaefer

Roar Rookie


Or you are allowed to rort without repercussions.

2021-10-05T09:15:15+00:00

Kurt S

Roar Pro


Have to hand it to Cleary and the Panthers. I really thought that they would crumble under the pressure of the GF. They hung tough.

2021-10-05T07:17:53+00:00

Breaka

Guest


Souths had a bit of bad luck on a couple of calls which turned out to be correct. However the penalties went their way 3-2 and 6 again went their way 6-1 and importantly as they trailed all evening and in a game where there were 6 penalties, the penalty at 8-6 to Souths to get them even was a very dubious interference call on Cam Murray who milked it for all its worth. The penalty in the last 5 minutes for ruck infringement (leg pull) to allow the last Souths try was also dubious as there was holding down/interference all night yet they were all let go. At least this year we didnt have Cameron Smith (as in 2020 GF) saying to the ref that you are trying to even it up for a close finish..

2021-10-05T06:43:46+00:00

Richard POWELL

Roar Rookie


Ivan Cleary was sacked by Phil Gould because Gould wanted Nathan to play 1st grade at age 17 and Ivan thought it was too soon.

2021-10-05T05:53:44+00:00

Onya.

Guest


Sorry. My mistake. He was only an assistant coach of a lower grade there.

2021-10-05T05:36:16+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


Just adds more creedence to my belief that coaches have minimal impact on performance compared to the quality of the cattle they have to put on the park !

2021-10-05T05:15:02+00:00

Big Daddy

Roar Rookie


The trouble is it's hard enough to actually get to a grand final let alone win one so some coaches namely Brian Smith has had a couple of goes and has that stigma . If the up and coming brigade can even get to a grand final it's some sort of achievement . Some are just designated to never win one .

2021-10-05T05:04:12+00:00

Forty Twenty

Roar Rookie


Cleary stays at the Tigers , he doesn't win the comp. You can join the dots. Which current coach gets the Tigers to the GF? Madge is a title-winning coach and Cleary was considered a has-been that never was or will be. Decent coaches can win titles with great rosters but who wins titles with ordinary rosters?

2021-10-05T04:36:25+00:00

PeterCtheThird

Guest


Well, you could conclude that Ivan Cleary’s success this year is due solely to his legendary players. I mean, they must be - look at how the Sydney media including The Roar have been praising them to the skies this year. So Cleary’s win this year mustn’t count for much either, must it? Is that not reasonable?

2021-10-05T04:31:28+00:00

PeterCtheThird

Guest


You acknowledge that Bennett coached the Broncos in 1998, the year that the NRL commenced. The Roar generally insists that nothing before the NRL really happened, as a way of discounting anything related to the Broncos and Bennett. But here, where he really was the first first-year NRL premiership-winning coach- shock, horror, we can’t credit him with that! So which is it? Either there was life before the NRL, or there was not. And that would have to include life outside the NSWRL.

2021-10-05T04:23:21+00:00

PeterCtheThird

Guest


I can hear the song: I can see more Cleary now…

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