Why Manly will batter a lot of teams but lose to good ones: Sea Eagles vs Panthers Talking Points

By Mike Meehall Wood / Editor

As the second half kicked off in the Panthers’ 28-6 season opening win over the Sea Eagles, there was a familiar sound at the scoreboard end of Bluebet Stadium.

It was one of the great sounds: the noise of a crowd moving with the flow of the game, the buzz of a lot of drunk people in one place at the same time, watching but not watching, chatting, decompressing, enjoying.

It could have been anywhere, but it was Penrith this time. This is what we’ve missed, in New South Wales at least.

The Panthers beat the Sea Eagles. Footy’s back too, which you also know, but it’s worth repeating. Footy – the real, on the ground, behind the sticks, in-person version – is back.

From the foothills of the Blue Mountains in March to Manchester and the World Cup Final in November, this is us. Here we go.

Penrith Panthers 28 – 6 Manly Sea Eagles

When you’re gone, how can I even try to go on

Penrith wasn’t favourite to win this match. You might want to read that again.

Without Nathan Cleary, they are obviously depleted, because alongside his obvious talent, Cleary brings intangible qualities like leadership, control and confidence that flows outwards to the rest of the team.

I’m not an intangibles guy: I prefer tangibles, like skill and tactics, above things you can’t see and might not really matter that much. But Cleary is a master of intangibles.

Comparing Sean O’Sullivan to Nathan Cleary is like comparing me to Geoffrey Moorhouse: we kind of look the same and sound the same, and we sort of do the same job, but one is manifestly a lot better at it than the other.

Sean O’Sullivan’s role tonight was to do a good enough impression of Nathan Cleary that the rest of the team believed he was there and played accordingly.

O’Sullivan was proof that coaching in rugby league is everything: he knew exactly what he needed to do and was backed to do a task that fitted his skillset. It’s a systems sport and O’Sullivan knew his role in Penrith’s.

If you dropped him in the Bulldogs, he’d probably look rubbish, and if you dropped Kyle Flanagan in this team and had Ivan Cleary giving him the instructions, he’d probably look this good too. That’s why you have a coach.

While the replacement 7 didn’t create much, he kicked impeccably – just ask Jason Saab’s ribs – and created space for the rest to take centre stage.

Jarome Luai was the ringleader in chief, emerging from the shadows of Cleary to take ownership that frankly, he’s not really needed to take before. Luai was himself, ever confident and darting, but more so, expanding to fill the space vacated by his partner.

Isaah Yeo played his role too, like a basketball swingman bringing the two sides of the field together. He’s the passer Jake Trbojevic thinks he is when he closes his eyes in bed at night.

The Panthers’ superiority was built in the forwards, and manifested in the backs – tries for Stephen Crichton and Izack Tago, not to mention a few wiped off – but it was the connection that made it: Luai, Yeo and O’Sullivan.

Panthers put Saab up on bricks

There’s a theory that the analytics people like that the best way to judge a game at the moment is kick return metres. Penrith won that by 292 metres to 80.

It’s easy to aftertime, of course, but the obvious differentiating factor for Penrith Panthers last season was the length by which they dominated that particular metric. If you’re aware of who Brian To’o is, you probably don’t need it explaining to you.

The other side of the kick return metres coin is Jason Saab. It’s not that he’s not good at returning the ball, though he is a bit lightweight, it’s that Penrith simply didn’t give him the chance to accumulate any.

They dropped the ball behind Saab when possible and on top of him when not. Reuben Garrick barely fielded a ball all night.

That static start had two effects. First, it killed momentum stone dead and made Manly fight for everything from their goal line forwards.

Second, it meant that Tom Trbojevic inevitably took one of the first carries in the set, tiring him out and allowing the Panthers to line him up. He does too much work for his own good at times.

The net result was that five times in the first half, Manly kicked from within their own 40m. Twice from in their own 20m. It’s no way to win a football match.

On what looked like it would be the sixth deep kick of the first half, mere seconds before the break, Jake Trbojevic dummied the line and ended up through.

Break the line and strike is where Manly come into their own. It went Kieran Foran to Turbo Tom to Ethan Bullemor, half the field in a flash. Give them an inch and they take a yard. They have it, and they’ll show it, but not too often against the likes of Penrith.

That incident stood as something of a microcosm of why Manly will batter a lot of teams but lose to good ones.

They can be suffocated by good kicking and solid tackling, but most of the NRL can’t do that half as well as Penrith can. If the Sea Eagles get space, they’re lethal, even against the likes of Penrith, even when getting soundly beaten.

Manly can only win one way and Penrith can win lots of ways. But I guess we already knew that, right?

The Crowd Says:

2022-03-13T09:47:53+00:00

JennyFromPenny

Guest


Cody must have been reading Adam’s never fail formula. Back to the drawing board, both of them.

2022-03-11T22:53:49+00:00

Panthers

Guest


That may be true. Still, didn’t they win the Premiership with Edwards at fullback? Playing with a broken foot. The part that’s not true is the ball playing part . As a Panthers supporter, I can say that he does plenty of backline linking work , putting others in good positions. With his passing. Not to mention his backing up play. Does it as well as anyone. Would having a Tom Turbo , Tedesco at fullback firm them up as a premiership force again? Of course it would! Any available for the rest of the season?

2022-03-11T21:48:41+00:00

Paul

Guest


I wonder how Manly would look, if Manase Fainu didn’t get himself in trouble? He is obviously a very talented player & great at hooker. His running brung a new dimension to Manly’s attack.

2022-03-11T21:33:56+00:00

Westie

Guest


So Penrith were fitter, smaller & had their defensive line getting up as quickly as they could. That doesn’t mean they were cheating? It just means they are well coached & working well for each other. That’s what every team hopes to achieve.

2022-03-11T18:56:47+00:00

Smoked

Roar Rookie


No but the beer has

2022-03-11T11:10:44+00:00

Choppy Zezers

Roar Rookie


Or Brisbane

2022-03-11T06:45:15+00:00

JennyFromPenny

Guest


And yet Penrith do so well with their deep backline. I’d love to see a team take up your simple solution. I think you’d see a dozen forced knock-ons and Panthers to rack up a score.

2022-03-11T06:39:25+00:00

JennyFromPenny

Guest


No thanks, I’m happy with giving it to your half assed commentary.

2022-03-11T06:30:45+00:00

Dutski

Roar Guru


For a Thursday night in a region that has just dealt with flooding? I’m amazed they did so well.

2022-03-11T04:58:01+00:00

Larry1950

Guest


Saab is a bit like the rooster winger Toupo circa 2017 when he ran upright into the defence & submitted easily, something he’s corrected in the last few seasons to my great surprise. If they try to bulk him up it might blunt his pace but he looks an open field runner & no battering ram.

2022-03-11T04:51:27+00:00

Larry1950

Guest


As a neutral I reckon whoever that number 16 was, he needs to be dropped from the squad. Watched with sound muted. I clocked 3 occasions where he looked & bailed on an effort defence play when he had a chance to either make tackle or at least fill a hole. They were out-enthused by a side who’d obviously coasted in trials. Lost count of the one-out runners who got carried back by the Penrith defence, sitting ducks.

2022-03-11T04:28:38+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


I think on balance Manly are still in that second tier vying for 3rd to 5th. My worry though is the the more I looked at how outlandish Turbo was last year the more I think it is unsustainable. If he turns into a run of the mill muppet like James Tedesco and they have no injuries... their attack becomes middle ground based on last year. Then it's down to Manly, do they rely on him - and make things worse, or have they built ways to exploit the nullifications. I'd still have them 3rd or 4th but would be surprised to see them crater as teams lay out a steady stream of kryptonite

2022-03-11T04:15:52+00:00

Chris Lewis

Roar Guru


cannot believe manly were favourites last night

2022-03-11T02:45:24+00:00

Duncan Smith

Roar Guru


I just wanted to see if Penrith people can subtract. Well done, Jenny. I’ll send a framed certificate out to Penrith Leagues Club. You can pick it up from the front office.

2022-03-11T02:30:50+00:00

Brett Allen

Roar Rookie


I think you’re being hard on them tbh. They’re still a definite top 6 team.

2022-03-11T02:30:09+00:00

Brett Allen

Roar Rookie


I can see Tommy Turbo having the same kind of season Jarryd Hayne had in 2010. Heavily marked, smashed on every kick return. Not a bad season in reality, but the perception will be that he isn’t the same player. He’s just a marked man now is all.

2022-03-11T02:12:05+00:00

Malo

Guest


Penrith were just fantastic. Manly weren’t that bad it just Penrith are so solid, you can see a side that has played together and know each other. They have great juniors and have to be firm favourites for the title. Manly played ok.

2022-03-11T01:34:50+00:00

Adam

Roar Guru


It's only really the teams that stand any chance. So no point getting the Bulldogs, Broncos, Titans, Knights or Tigers to play that way :laughing: But it's an effective way to beat a rush defence. It will allow less Panthers into the tackle and should stunt the subsequent tackles.

2022-03-11T01:27:00+00:00

JennyFromPenny

Guest


Don’t tell Cody to throw any more flat wide passes against Penrith.

2022-03-11T01:25:25+00:00

JennyFromPenny

Guest


By teams, do you mean all 15 other teams? Great compliment I say. I don’t know how long it’s been (if ever), where people had started formulating their own little blueprints to beat Penrith. Not too sure about the flat attack. Wouldn’t they just run into the brick wall faster, with less time to use the ball? Keep thinking though, maybe I should have said nothing, that you were on a winner :p

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