The loser of the Roosters-Eagles clash will be at long odds to make the decider

By Tim Gore / Expert

The chances are high that if you don’t go for the Sydney Roosters or the Manly Sea Eagles that you don’t like either club very much.

As a result, there were more than a few people who were quite happy with the respective losses that both had in Round 1.

This weekend those two widely disliked sides come up against each other.

And history suggests that the side that loses is highly unlikely to even make the 2022 grand final, let alone win it.

For two sides that I was saying were locks to make the 2022 finals series just last week, this is a horrible reality to be facing.

The stats are pretty clear though. Of the 48 sides that have faced off in the NRL grand finals going back to 1998, only five of them have lost their first two games. That is just ten per cent of them.

The list includes:

Both Trent Robinson and Des Hasler will be painfully aware of the pickle their sides find themselves in and their sides will be desperate to win this Friday night.

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The first few rounds of any season always throw up a number of upsets as sides we assume would be competitive prove to have dropped away, and sides thought to be strugglers show great advances were made in the off-season.

Of course, complacency can also play a part.

I don’t think the Sea Eagles were at all complacent. I think they were out of their league.

Against the reigning premiers the Sea Eagles looked like rabbits in the headlights. While the Panthers were the most outstanding side of the opening round, Manly barely fired a shot.

It was more luck than anything that had the margin only 12-6 at half time, with the Panthers’ pack dominating their opponents and the outside backs looking scintillating.

The full-time score of 28-6 flattered the Sea Eagles. It could have been 50.

Manly’s stats were dreadful. They made 700 fewer metres, conceded six line breaks and missed 44 tackles. Their forward pack got bullied. Their back line was run ragged.

For many players 157 metres, three tackle breaks, a line break and a try assist is a very good day out. For Tom Trbojevic, however, it’s a quiet day at the office.

The Sea Eagles can not afford him to have anything but a big game. There really isn’t a plan B.

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There was barely a positive to take out of the match for the Sea Eagles apart from the only way being up.

The Roosters were at short odds to make light work of the Newcastle Knights, especially on the SCG with Joey Manu and Luke Keary returning. The Novocastrians had not read that script at all and ground their fancied opponents out of the game in convincing style.

I got the feeling that the Roosters were not nearly as mentally prepared as they might have been. It is hard to believe that would be on Trent Robinson.

It is clear that Adam O’Brien had his charges well and truly prepared for the game. They executed their game plan very well and strangled the life out of the Roosters. Worryingly, with all of their strike power, the Roosters did not make a single line break and they conceded seven. The Tricolours made just 13 tackle breaks for the match.

Again, the positive they can take out of the match is that the only way is up.

Both sides have named virtually unchanged teams for the SCG match-up.

You can bet that Trent Robinson will be aiming lots of traffic at Lachlan Croker, Haumole Olakau’atu and Morgan Harper who shared 17 missed tackles between them against the Panthers.

He’ll also be working hard on Luke Keary, Sam Walker, James Tedesco and Connor Watson enacting the dangerous spine that on paper they should absolutely be.

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We can expect a far more focused and determined running attack from the Roosters on Saturday night or there will surely be changes in the line-up.

Similarly, Des Hasler will surely have noted the 19 missed tackles shared between Billy Smith, Siosiua Taukeiaho, Sam Walker and Paul Momirovski.

While there is no question that Tom Trbojevic is up to it, there is incredible pressure for him to reprise his 2021 attacking form ASAP.

However, his ability to do that will hinge massively on whether the Manly forward pack can provide him with the space even a player of his calibre requires.

And that’s really what this crucial match will come down to: who wins the forward battle.

The cold, hard reality is that to beat a forward pack that contains Jared Waerea-Hargreaves, Victor Radley, Angus Crichton, Taukeiaho, Sitili Tupouniua and Lindsay Collins – especially after they’ve been chastened so badly – you really need better cattle than Jake Trbojevic, Lachlan Croker, Toafofoa Sipley, Olakau’atu, Ethan Bullemor, Sean Keppie and Taniela Paseka.

Expect fireworks for the first 20 minutes of Friday night’s game. However, once the smoke clears I expect that the Roosters will beat the Sea Eagles, possibly handsomely, and that the boys from Brookvale will be struggling to keep the pace for the rest of the season.

And they’ll be statistically only a one in ten chance of even making the 2022 NRL grand final.

But most of you hate Manly? So that’s really a good thing. Right?

The Crowd Says:

2022-03-23T09:23:34+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


I think poor Tim got turned around at year 8 algebra

2022-03-19T02:19:44+00:00

criag

Roar Rookie


He hurt his neck. He wasn't concussed.

2022-03-18T00:32:41+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


Yeah, good one. Cause that’s definitely what I’m saying The Sea Eagles haven’t even lost their first two yet…

AUTHOR

2022-03-18T00:24:47+00:00

Tim Gore

Expert


It is 5 examples from 24 seasons. 21% of the time, Aligns better to one in five seasons. But, fair point. We might be due. But my point was - not that it couldn't happen - it was that it was unlikely: "highly unlikely to even make the 2022 grand final, let alone win it" were my words. 20% isn't highly likely.

AUTHOR

2022-03-18T00:19:24+00:00

Tim Gore

Expert


Right... Well I'm all turned around on this. In fact, I reckon the Sea Eagles and Rabbitohs are basically locks for the 2022 GF.

2022-03-17T22:29:34+00:00

Sammy

Guest


NRL history shows that approximately every 4 years we can expect a Grand Final where one of the finalists will have lost their opening two matches in the regular season. It happened in 1999, 2003, 2008, 2011 and 2015 – and we should expect it happen again pretty soon. So I don't think your 1 in 10 teams stat is relevant - the proper stat is "1 in 4 years".

2022-03-17T21:52:26+00:00

Nambawan

Roar Rookie


I expect East to win this one. Manly has a glaring structural problem at dummy-half which remains unfixed. Until it is fixed Manly will be easy pickings for the top sides. Also. the centres do not offer much.

2022-03-17T20:19:42+00:00

Ken

Guest


Hey question if Radley went off with concussion last week isn't there a stand down period

2022-03-17T08:42:13+00:00

DP Schaefer

Roar Rookie


SShhhhhhh

2022-03-17T08:07:35+00:00

IGOR11

Roar Rookie


Your hatred for Manly is tiresome and very boring…try to be less obvious next time your write an article that includes Manly…ps…you’re giving way to much credit to a roosters team that has plenty of weaknesses…

2022-03-17T07:20:38+00:00

Clint

Roar Rookie


SST had 13 runs for 152m and Thompson had 7 runs for 71m. I think SST was great but his impact was completely eroded by the rest of the team.

2022-03-17T07:11:56+00:00

Clint

Roar Rookie


Stats like this help build up the contest and the spectacle of the game and might sway the bookies, but I don't think they worry the coaches too much. In fact, I think they relish the challenge. It's a bit like the 4-minute mile. Back to back premierships were statistically nearly impossible in the NRL era up until recently and that's been done now. Even the team/player performance rating stats that seem to be all-important don't always matter as much to all coaches e.g. completion rates have never seemed to worry Trent Robinson; the 2013 GF was won on a 62.8% completion rate!

2022-03-17T06:32:05+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


But it’s flawed… it’s two arbitrary games Why not pick the 1st and last games? Why not the 4th and 17th? I posit that whatever combo of two games you did the same analysis of you’d getaway roughly even distribution of results - some more, some less… which renders this lately meaningless

AUTHOR

2022-03-17T06:15:34+00:00

Tim Gore

Expert


I've made a very clear point and you're quibbling around derivations.

AUTHOR

2022-03-17T06:14:01+00:00

Tim Gore

Expert


So EJ, lets be clear, you are betting on the Bulldogs to make the 2022 GF. If that happens I will pay you 25 times the amount of your stake., Which is how much by the way?

2022-03-17T06:09:50+00:00

Glory Bound

Roar Rookie


I've been wanting the chooks to get plucked for years now andrew. :laughing:

2022-03-17T06:01:50+00:00

Glory Bound

Roar Rookie


Is that you old mate... ",,,," Is that a loose tail feather and a half eaten chip?

2022-03-17T06:00:35+00:00

Glory Bound

Roar Rookie


I think it is safe to say that neither the Roosters or Manly will be finished after this round irrespective ofthe result or the margin of the win. Injuries and suspensions excepted I feel confident both sides will be in the finals and at least one, if not both of them, will finish in the top 4. And remember, you heard it here first. :stoked:

2022-03-17T05:26:24+00:00

Forty Twenty

Roar Rookie


I'll take that as a comment Tim.

2022-03-17T04:38:55+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


At the end of your article you write about whoever loses “they’ll be statistically only a one in ten chance of even making the 2022 NRL grand final” But that’s not what your stats say… they say only 10% of teams who make the grand final will have lost their first two games That’s different to 10% of teams who lose the first two games will make the grand final…

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