Should the Brumbies be alert or alarmed after a Reds redemption?

By Nicholas Bishop / Expert

It is not often that you get a word, or even a shrug out of Queensland Reds coach Brad Thorn before the game. He tends to leave the pre-match hype and referee ‘influencing’ to the likes of Eddie Jones and Warren Gatland. They love the limelight, and the tactical skirmishes in the media far more.

Prior to the second game in the space of three weeks between the top power-brokers in Australian domestic rugby, big Brad felt sufficiently motivated to make an appearance, like a gunslinger in the main street of an Old Western town, slowly rolling his cheroot from one side of his mouth to the other.

The eyes narrowed and glinted, and ‘Thorny’ was on the draw fast. He said what he had come to say, and his target was the scrum:

“The scrum going to ground, we’re not about that here.

“If you look at the last four years, with Cameron Lillicrap [as the Reds’ scrum coach]. We feel we get dominance and we’ll be looking to compete there.

“He’s been around the game a long time, he’s quality and then you’ve got a scrummaging lock [Thorn himself], we are passionate around the scrum.

“I’m just saying we want to scrum and everyone knows that. We want to play positively. 

“You just want to have a good game of rugby … we’re in the entertainment business.”

Brad Thorn left some strong memories at Leinster, as a 37 year-old in the twilight of a playing career shimmering with trophies from two codes.

Ireland centre Gordon D’Arcy remembers Thorn insisting on the importance of body height at ruck time in his gravelly drawl, over and over again, until they got it right. For prop Mike Ross, who sat in front of the ex-All Black’s power in the scrum for three months, it was even more simple: “He compresses my spine in new and interesting ways.”

As a player, the game for Brad Thorn was all about relentless power, hard work, and technical excellence at scrum-time and in contact. Beyond that, Rugby could take care of itself. 

The return match against the Brumbies probably came as close as a game ever will to Brad Thorn’s pure vision of how rugby can be played. The Reds beat up the Brumbies physically, any which they could – even with 14 men, after flanker Tuaina Taii Tualima had been sent off for a head-high cleanout on James Slipper in the 34th minute.

In the process, they cast doubt on the legitimacy of a selection which included no less than seven Canberra tight forwards – two props (Allan Alaalatoa and James Slipper), two hookers (Lachlan Lonergan and Folau Fainga’a), and three second rows (Caderyn Neville, Nick Frost and Darcy Swain) – in Dave Rennie’s extended Wallabies squad, but only one Red (Taniela Tupou).

On form, only James Slipper and Nick Frost might stand a chance of cracking the Queensland starting line-up. Queensland attacked the breakdown lustily, winning seven turnovers in contact and reducing the Ponies to a miserable 85% ruck retention rate. 

The men from Canberra are usually in their element when they can access the opposition 22 and start their attack from a lineout drive, but at the Suncorp they came away with a paltry average of only 1.17 points per visit, on nine attempts.

At the scrum Brad Thorn got what he wanted, with his charges winning one more penalty and one more turnover than their opponents and bossing the set-piece, even in the 20-minute period when they were down to seven forwards.

Let’s take a look at those last two aspects of the Reds’ physical dominance, in defence of the close-range lineout drive, and in every aspect of the scrum. The first example at the maul came just after Tulaima’s red card, with the Brumbies forwards licking their lips at a five-metre lineout:

Second row Angus Blyth (in the number 5 jersey) is one of the unheralded workhorses of the Queensland pack and he will never be a spectacular lineout leaper or highlight-reel ball-handler. He is in the side to hit rucks and dig in at mauls, much as Brad Thorn used to do as a player back in the day. Against the Brumbies, he hit 10 more rucks than any other forward, and finished top of the pops as a significant cleanout player.

Here Queensland hold all the trump cards right from the start. Blyth jams into the space on the outside of the receiver Darcy Swain ahead of Rob Valetini, so that there is no way the Brumbies can perform their favourite manoeuvre and roll the maul infield. Harry Wilson (in the red hat) has his head up and can contain Folau Fainga’a and Ryan Lonergan on the edge if they try to break out to the openside. The drive is dead in the water.

Blyth was also central to a second excellent piece of maul defence a few minutes later:

The Queensland second row swims right through the middle and on to scrum-half Ryan Lonergan, then traps him above a pile of bodies as the drive collapses over the maroon goal-line. That means a goal-line dropout to Queensland, not a 5m scrum feed to the Ponies.

The Brumbies’ final opportunity to make hay while the sun still shone came only a minute-and-a-half before the red card on Tulaima expired:

The two big men from Canberra (Swain and Nick Frost) are chucked out of the early stages of the drive unceremoniously, while Blyth and his partner in crime Ryan Smith (who also won two turnovers on the ground) reload more quickly than their opponents to stymie forward momentum and force a turnover scrum.

That returned the game to Queensland’s greatest area of physical advantage. After a forgettable start in which all four of the first four scrums ended in penalties (three for collapses, as Brad Thorn had feared), Angus Gardner managed to produce positive outcomes from 15 of the next 17 set-pieces, and that suited the Reds down to their boot-laces.

They had already proved that they had wood on the Brumbies scrum in 2021:

Taniela Tupou shifted slightly inside his man, Brandon Paenga-Amosa drilled the gap between Allan Alaalatoa and his hooker, and none of the Brumbies’ Wallaby squad rakes were able to survive the pressure, whether it was Lachlan Lonergan of Folau Fainga’a.

Queensland’s new hooker Josh Nasser proved himself eminently capable of producing the same results as his forebear in the number 2 jersey, early on in proceedings:

First the bind between Fainga’a and Alaalatoa comes undone, then the gap opens and the Brumbies’ hooker ends up flat on his back. That is domination, and it raises an urgent question why there are two Canberra number 2’s in the Wallaby squad ahead of Nasser.

The ever-increasing comfort of the Reds scrum, under Angus Gardner’s sympathetic stewardship, was the key to Queensland’s first try of the game just after half-time:

The Reds are pushing with six forwards, with Tulaima off the field and Harry Wilson in channel one hanging on by the arms alone. But Fainga’a and AAA are still split and the maroon scrum is still moving forwards. The rest of the sequence illustrated the impact Jordan Petaia is beginning to enjoy from full-back as the games get bigger:

The floodgates at scrum-time opened when Lachlan Lonergan came on to replace Fainga’a:

The nice part is that Gardner keeps the game flowing and asks the ball to be played away from the set-piece under advantage, knowing he can always come back for the penalty. No doubt Brad Thorn would have been rubbing his hands in approval in the coach’s booth.

It also encouraged his team to continue using ‘channel one’ on attack:

If Petaia can hang on to the ball, a try on the short-side is almost certain. It was only a glitch, because Queensland scored from the very next scrum feed:

Josh Nasser erupts through the bind between Lonergan and ‘triple A’ once again and Rob Valetini cannot make the save at the base. A couple of plays later, Queensland scored their second try to put the fate of the game beyond any doubt:

Another Reds scrum in the dying embers of the game summarized the dual themes of physical domination and constructive officiating in that key aspect of the game:

Yes, there is a penalty as the Brumbies pull out of the contest – but play on, and let advantage develop from usable ball. That fits the scrum’s role in the future of the game more snugly.

Summary

It may have finished at only 21-7 but make no mistake, twww.phohe game on Saturday evening at the Suncorp represented a much bigger psychological blow than any struck between the two top sides in the Australian half of Super Rugby Pacific over the past couple of seasons.

The Queensland Reds dominated their great modern rivals from Canberra in every physical aspect of the game that mattered. They stole their ruck ball at will, they brought their speciality close-range driving lineouts to a grinding halt, and they battered the Ponies’ scrum.

As Brad Thorn had politely requested, Angus Gardner allowed his men to scrummage. Where Damon Murphy had generated only five usable balls from 19 ‘sets’ in round five, Gardner produced 15 out of 21 positive outcomes two weeks later. He encouraged scrum ball to be played under advantage, and the Reds responded with the constructive use of channel one. Finally, there was a chink of light at the end of the dark tunnel of the officiating of the contemporary scrummage.

The match should provoke some urgent rethinks among the Wallaby coaches about the quality of the Brumbies’ tight forwards. Angus Blyth and Ryan Smith may be more Ian Gough than Alun-Wyn Jones, more grunt than glitterati, but they outshone their more highly-touted opponents in the second row on the day. 

Likewise, Harry Hoopert, Josh Nasser and Taniela Tupou had it over their international opposites in the front row, and it will become hard indeed to justify Nasser’s omission from the Wallaby squad in the months to come. Brad Thorn can squint in the harsh sunlight, throw back his poncho and leave town to an ethereal Sergio Leone riff. At least for now, his job has been done.

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The Crowd Says:

2022-04-09T03:06:18+00:00

Jk

Guest


How much of Nasser's success was down to having Tupou alongside him? Genuine question from a scrum ignoramus.

2022-04-08T22:20:26+00:00

Mreflord

Guest


Nick, even your pictures highlight the angle of both red props - which from a legal point of view is illegal. If you revisit your examples you can see both reds props angling in - they’re not square. The reds scrum is illegal!

AUTHOR

2022-04-08T06:26:47+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


In answer to your last Q Danda, I'd say Rhys is an out-and-out Reds fan who has always campaigned for the inclusion of more Reds forwards in the WBs. In his defence, he doesn't pretend to be otherwise! I've tended to see more of the reasons why Brumbies and Tahs might have gotten the nod before (for example I've always supported Angus Bell from when he was a junior) but feel that there is now little justification for the 7-1 Brumbies/Reds split we now have in the tight five. Ofc there is plenty of opportunity for that to change before July :stoked:

AUTHOR

2022-04-08T06:20:54+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Tbh the issues were there before the weekend MB!

2022-04-08T01:10:36+00:00

Dandaman

Roar Rookie


Nick your points are all well made and the evidence has been there building from last year to being quite obvious this year that the reds and their players (and I say the reds to acknowledge the culture) are at the top of SRAU. Why do you think that they did not get more recognition in the recent wallaby squad. I can understand if you dont answer this based on the comments that Rhys B recent articles generated! I do find it interesting that when Rhys B wrote the recent articles to comments were of a much different tone to the ones to your articles. The basic premise was not that unlike insofar as the reds are a deserving team and the selectors should be giving them their due.

2022-04-08T00:33:03+00:00

MonkeyBoy

Roar Rookie


little birdie says AAA was busted before and played through

2022-04-07T23:47:32+00:00

Chris

Guest


Wilson made 9 from 9 tackles. Valetini made 4 tackles missed 5. That is very poor from a supposed test player.

2022-04-07T08:40:59+00:00

Jimbo81

Roar Rookie


I’d rather have Eddie than Rennie

AUTHOR

2022-04-07T05:59:33+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Yes but there is also a baseline Chris. Joe Marler was the best technical loose-head in England for many years but only weighed the same as Tom R, so at Test level he was not as effective. He added @5-10 kilos of muscle on the advice of the coaches and now he's prob the best LHP scrummager anywhere in the world.

AUTHOR

2022-04-07T05:50:00+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


The pommy 7 has cleaned him up everytime, Sam Underhill i believe it was who flogged him 8 games in a row. Yep factually wide of the mark (again) Geoff - but hey, keep saying it eh?

AUTHOR

2022-04-07T05:49:05+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Apparently only the sky blue part of the team lost, the reds still "won"! :laughing:

2022-04-07T05:36:15+00:00

MO

Guest


Don't know what Tom wants. Maybe Force Fan or one of the others can find out. Problem now is that Medrano is leaving the Force so we need a THP who is younger than Holmes. Bo Abra is in the squad but I've never seem him play. Haven't seen or heard much of Angus Wagner either but he's big enough to switch over to tighthead.

2022-04-07T05:28:36+00:00

MO

Guest


Tom did look very light standing next to other players when I've seen him live at Force games.

2022-04-07T03:40:20+00:00

Geoff

Guest


JP you cant have a threat to Hoopers crown. Hooper wont have it. All prospective challengers have been summarily dismissed over the last 6 years. I`d say Hooper has a big say ( selections) in not many number sevens getting picked in squads over the years. Liam Gill, Liam Wright, Pete Samu, McReight, McMahon and Pocock were all dismissed entirely or pushed into a 6 jumper to accomodate him.

2022-04-07T02:59:43+00:00

Antony Henrie

Guest


Donaldson mate? he is a rookie at super Rugby let him stay in super rugby and put at least one season together first. You cant keep rewarding rookies who have played a couple of games and expect them to be test players.

2022-04-07T02:55:26+00:00

JP

Guest


Did you know in a team sport players are dropped for poor from???Hooper needs to be dropped as he is the elephant in the room :happy: And im happy you recognized that Cooper and Kerevi are more important than Hooper and nullified his hopelessness against the Boks, How ever did RA let them go and keep him is mindboggling. :happy: Oh against Wales, Beale Skelton Swinton Foketi and Latu were playing, that`s why they lost. :happy:

2022-04-07T02:19:07+00:00

LuckyPhil

Roar Rookie


Ouch, I feel so burnt! You are the master. As Rugby is a team sport, why is it the responsibility of one person? Given Hoops didn't play against Wales, why didn't we win? If you can't see the difference that QC and SK made to the team, then maybe instead of looking at stats you should go and watch the games again.

2022-04-07T02:12:16+00:00

numpty

Roar Rookie


I have previously pushed for Hodge in the centres (at 13 actually) but i think he needs open pasture, he doesn't have quick enough feet/hands/kicking to excel in traffic. I think he is a quality 15 and provides good balance their given his experience, game management and kicking relative to the currently inexperienced side. Very few other current 15s have those as their assets. I think Petaia will usurp him, but I think Hodge's style may fit the team better in the immediate term. Simone was tried and wasn't liked. He is now going overseas so will probably no longer be in the equation. I think he is a quality player but I see nothing form him that says to me he is head and shoulders above Paisami or Foketi.

2022-04-07T02:05:41+00:00

JP

Guest


Truth is that wins and losses cannot lie, The Wallabies failed in 2021. ( like 2020 ) , They lost more than they won. You cannot dispute that Hooper was part of every loss bar Wales in Rennies two year failed reign so far. That`s the truth. Hope that didn`t hurt you,AGAIN :stoked:

2022-04-07T02:02:55+00:00

Olly

Roar Rookie


JP is going to be our 15 so I would only place Hodge as the back up 15. No point not running JP this close to a RWC. I like Hodge at 12 and think it is his best position. Playmaking, good head on him and brings that boot onto the field. I would also pick Simone over HP at 12. I see him as a wasted talent in Oz rugby. I have been very critical of Foketi last year but have to admit, i am starting to see why they are interested in him. I would be very interested to see him playing with some experienced players around him.

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