State of Origin game 3: What if the New South Wales team was selected by POPE?

By Redcap / Roar Guru

Late last year I debuted the proportion of positive engagement (POPE) player rating system on The Roar and applied it to select a 2021 NRL team of the season.

POPE’s debut generated a mix of interest, indifference and ‘what is this guy on about?’. Regardless, I thought I’d give it another run now that we’ve reached the halfway point of 2022.

With an Origin decider at Lang Park coming up, POPE has kindly lent a hand to Brad Fittler by appointing itself chair of the New South Wales selection committee for game three.

POPE has already selected a Queensland team, with most of the players soundly beaten in game two retained for the decider.

There’s no such continuity for NSW with POPE recommending 11 changes. Hey, seven changes worked for the Blues in game two. Maybe Fittler’s on to something with his rotation policy. Use the greater depth at the Blues disposal and keep Queensland guessing.

State of Origin: What if Queensland’s team was selected by the POPE?

I don’t personally agree with many of the 11 changes recommended by POPE and I’m beginning to suspect that POPE’s a Queenslander. That said, I designed the system, so it’s incumbent on me to at least attempt to explain them. There are also some changes I would make if I were Fittler.

The eligibility criteria for the NSW team are the same as those for Queensland, with players known or strongly suspected to be unavailable for game three excluded and backup options nominated in every starting position.

1. James Tedesco

Even if Tom Trbojevic, Latrell Mitchell and Ryan Papenhuyzen had been fit, there’s no way Tedesco wouldn’t be playing fullback for the Blues.

Papenhuyzen should have a couple of games under his belt before game three and has been chosen as backup. The next best candidate is the indefatigable Dylan Edwards of Penrith.

Backup: Ryan Papenhuyzen

2. Alex Johnston

Brian To’o has missed a few games this season and isn’t eligible for the starting team. Even so, he wouldn’t have been picked on his recent club form.

Johnston finished ahead of every other contender for a blue jersey due to his ability to beat defenders and defensive lines. Daniel Tupou and To’o were likely selected by Fittler because of their higher work rate from the backfield.

Backup: Nick Meaney

3. Siosifa Talakai

I like having Talakai in the squad but not ahead of Matt Burton on the left edge. Talakai’s here because of his extraordinarily destructive performances in the first half of the NRL season. It’s unlikely he’ll be able to maintain that level.

I’d like to see Fittler give Talakai some time against Dane Gagai in game three. Maybe shift Burton to lock for a while and let ‘Sifa’ rip.

Backup: Izack Tago

4. Moses Suli

Oh, boy. Not even this Dragons supporter thinks Suli belongs anywhere near Origin. But credit where it’s due, he has been one of the most destructive ball-running centres this season, alongside Talakai and Joseph Manu.

If NSW consider replacing Stephen Crichton – and I think they should – Zac Lomax, Jesse Ramien and Campbell Graham are the players who should be in contention.

Backup: Zac Lomax

5. Nick Cotric

Hang on, is this the same guy who played Origin and Test footy in 2019. Why yes, it is. While Cotric is playing better than I expected, he doesn’t belong back in Origin. That doesn’t mean he should be discounted in the future. He’s playing well this year.

While Daniel Tupou doesn’t produce as much pure impact, he’s a better player overall and deserves to retain his spot.

Backup: Taylan May

(Photo by Mark Kolbe/Getty Images)

6. Jarome Luai

Cody Walker’s looked lost since Adam Reynolds left Souths, isn’t getting any younger and never looked comfortable in Origin anyway. Jack Wighton’s not an elite five eighth and Matt Burton’s not a five eighth, period.

Talatau Amone’s the only guy who might threaten Luai’s spot in the next few years.

Backup: Jack Wighton

7. Nicho Hynes

Queensland will never see this one coming. Hynes runs the ball more than any other halfback, tackles better than most and is very good at creating space for his teammates.

He and Jahrome Hughes might be a new breed of half, converted fullbacks who create opportunities through their physicality and relentless vertical running games.

Seriously though, Nathan Cleary’s no chance of being dropped. He’s the opposite of Hynes, a half from the Cooper Cronck school of less is more.

He’s refined his game down to a series of short, angled runs and body positioning (deception), tactical kicking and selective running.

Backup: Nathan Cleary

8. Payne Haas

By all accounts, Haas has bits falling off him and has certainly looked down on his best lately. I’d be happy for Regan Campbell-Gillard or David Klemmer to come in for game three. What has Klemmer done to offend Brad Fittler?

Backup: Reagan Campbell-Gillard

9. Damien Cook

There’s a reason why Api Koroisau is joining Wests next season – he’s not very good anymore.

Cook is still very good. Even so, taking some pressure of him, much like Queensland have done with Harry Grant, is a good idea. Starting Reece Robson or even Nicho Hynes at hooker would make a lot of sense.

Backup: Reece Robson

Damien Cook of the Blues. (Photo by Bradley Kanaris/Getty Images)

10. David Klemmer

Whatever he said or did to Fittler must have been heinous, because Klemmer remains one of the best props in the NRL. Seriously, he’s right up there with Haas, Junior Paulo, Josh Papalii, Joseph Tapine and Addin Fonua-Blake.

Backup: Junior Paulo

11. Luciano Leilua

There’s a rather depressing sentiment I’ve heard a few times in recent years. It goes a little something like this, ‘he’s improved significantly since he left St George Illawarra’.

While this is undoubtedly true of Leilua, I’m not convinced he’s Origin material. However, with Tyson Frizell in decline, Tariq Sims a shell of his former self and Angus Crichton vastly overrated, edge back row is shaping as a problem area for the Blues.

Leilua and Manly’s Haumole Olakau’atu might be battling each other for a blue shirt in coming years.

Backup: Tyson Frizell

12. Luke Garner

You might have noticed I’ve dared to disagree with most of POPE’s selections so far. Not here, though. I rate Garner. Highly. So do Penrith.

Garner’s been better than Crichton, Felise Kaufusi and Liam Martin so far this season while playing in an awful Wests team. I reckon he has what it takes at the next level.

Backup: Angus Crichton

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13. Isaah Yeo

I’m not sure if there’s a stat for this, but Yeo might be the busiest player in rugby league who doesn’t play dummy half. He’s everywhere and is the main reason why Penrith doesn’t need an elite dummy half.

I’d say there isn’t another player quite like him, except there is and his name’s Cameron Murray.

Backup: Cameron Murray

Bench: Junior Paulo, Jordan McLean, Ryan Matterson and Reece Robson.

McLean doesn’t make mistakes, Paulo can ball play at the line and break it, Matterson’s the best running back rower in the game and Robson’s better than Koroisau. So is Hynes – just saying.

In the next instalment, POPE will pick a Kangaroos team based on performances in the Origin series.

The Crowd Says:

2022-07-01T00:27:59+00:00

souvalis

Roar Rookie


API’s ‘ not very good anymore’ is a big call. Similar to Cook in craftiness, but a real stinger in defence opposed to Cookie’s grab, hold and slow. Blues needed that, and he and the Jurbo hits were telling in victory. He’s a team player, still the tear away NSW hooker leader for linebreak assists and try assists(Reece not in top 50 for either). Reece has scored more, but they’re generally just an individual shot from dummy half.

AUTHOR

2022-06-30T08:17:22+00:00

Redcap

Roar Guru


Yep, though I reckon Garner probably jumped at the chance to leave Wests and go to Penrith. I'm not sure what $ were involved, but if they were the same or even close, I know where I'd go.

2022-06-30T07:15:08+00:00

Tony

Roar Guru


Can't believe the Tigers let him go in the same month they signed a gronk like Naden. Says it all about the Tigers really. I expect Garner will really blossom at Penrith. Shame that the Dragons didn't chase him.

2022-06-30T07:12:44+00:00

Tony

Roar Guru


Generally true, but when I think rugby league dickhead, I think of Vaughan for some reason...

2022-06-30T07:11:07+00:00

Tony

Roar Guru


Oops

AUTHOR

2022-06-30T06:28:57+00:00

Redcap

Roar Guru


I've always thought those policies are a bit like Schrodinger's cat - they simultaneously exist and don't exist, it depends where you choose to look.

AUTHOR

2022-06-30T06:22:20+00:00

Redcap

Roar Guru


He's been quarterbacking more than running at Manly - his numbers are way down. That said, I'd certainly have him in the team for game 3

2022-06-30T06:15:53+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


Geez you’re kinds tying Freddy’s hands there a little… :stoked:

2022-06-30T05:23:35+00:00

Tony

Roar Guru


Not if NSW are employing any sort of "no dickheads" policy

2022-06-30T03:29:33+00:00

Dumbo

Roar Rookie


"Not one current Manly player". Yes, I wondered what has Jurbo said to the POPE to be excommunicated despite his SOO#2 performance, and what (to me) has looked like a solid first half of the season.

AUTHOR

2022-06-30T01:24:59+00:00

Redcap

Roar Guru


Couldn't hurt - like I said I really rate Garner.

AUTHOR

2022-06-30T01:24:14+00:00

Redcap

Roar Guru


There's virtually nothing between Cotric, May and Tupou. Cotric's a slightly more impactful ball runner and slightly better defender. "Maybe POPE over-values meters gained a little?" I've gone back and forth on this wondering if I am overvaluing metres a bit. POPE factors in metres gained per minute and per carry, not just total metres gained, to even out potential sample size distortions. It might actually be too kind to players with lower work rates as a result (That's another factor in Cotric's rating). But metres gained do have to feature prominently. There's a strong correlation between the leaderboard for run metres and the NRL ladder - advancing the ball is the essence of the game after all.

2022-06-30T00:56:59+00:00

astro

Roar Rookie


Actually a pretty good outcome for the POPE system! Well done. The main stand-outs as guys who shouldn't be there, are Suli and Cotric. For Suli, he eats up meters and busts plenty of tackles, but his work-rate is poor. For the season he's made 137 tackles compared to someone like Campbell Graham who's made 247, in the same number of games. Maybe POPE over-values meters gained a little? For Cotric, I cant work out how POPE would have him ahead of May or Garrick in terms of statistics. How did that happen, do you think? Again, nice work AMD!

AUTHOR

2022-06-30T00:27:47+00:00

Redcap

Roar Guru


Hey Nat, Vaughan is next man up in the front row rotation. The infamous barbecue has rather overshadowed him being one of most consistent props going around for some time now.

2022-06-30T00:15:55+00:00

Forty Twenty

Roar Rookie


Three ex Manly players in the mythical Pope team and not one current Manly player. There needs to be an investigation! I've kept an eye on Garner for a while and his defence is very good. 5-10 kilos on his carcass and he's in line for SOO.

2022-06-29T23:32:08+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


It is interesting that your Pope squads are not that far removed from the actual teams. Of course they have their own stats to support new selections and guys like Jurbo who are “big game players”. I would like to be a fly on Freddy’s wall to see how close Klemm came? What about Vaughan? My eye test tends to believe he’s been having a decent season?

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