The Thursday Two-up: Time for a rethink?

By Brett McKay / Expert

After a wild weekend of Round 3 matches in The Rugby Championship, I came to a very relieving conclusion on Sunday night before sending the weekly email to the guys.

I’m bloody glad we’re not tipping these games.

We were already talking about this year’s edition being perhaps one of the more open Rugby Championships in recent years, and I can’t imagine the Wallabies and Los Pumas winning last weekend adds much clarity to this point. Quite the opposite, I’d suggest.

Obviously, all our teams still have plenty to work on ahead of the Round 4 games this weekend, and we’ll get onto that. I don’t think any of the four coaches will say they played the perfect game last weekend, though Argentina certainly went closer than the other three.

But who wins it all from here? Is it only more confusing now?

It might be time for a rethink.

Question 1: Last week, you nominated your pick as the tournament favourite after Round 2. Now make the case for why a team you didn’t mention last week might actually be the new favourites after Round 3.

Nobes
The most entertaining and lowest odds happened this past weekend which leads to a new and exciting approach to trying to predict a tournament winner.

To the greater possibilities that were attributed last week, the All Blacks and The Springboks as possible winners, today both the Wallabies and the Pumas have the same chances.

If bonus points could define the champion today, point differentials must be added to them in the face of a possible tie in points between the four or two of the protagonists.

The All Blacks find themselves in turbulent waters that are similar to those the Wallabies faced last week and they knew how to navigate clearly beating none other than the world champions, who are the only team of the four that come of two consecutive losses.

On the opposite side are Los Pumas with two wins in a row, one at home and one as a visitor, no less than on New Zealand soil where they had never been able to lose by less than 15 points.

If the results of next weekend are reversed, we will be facing a final full of unknowns and the four teams having to play the last two dates as locals and visitors and thus eliminating a possible home advantage for some.

On the other hand, if any of the two winners of this last weekend manages to repeat, they will be very close to the title.

Those from South Africa seem to be the ones that are at a disadvantage since they still have two games left away from home, while the two trans-Tasman teams will enjoy that advantage. Likewise, the way the games are presented, that advantage does not seem to be decisive.

As I put it last week, even Los Pumas have a serious chance of taking the title based on what we have seen on the field.

Pumas head coach Michael Cheika. (Photo by Hannah Peters/Getty Images

Brett
So, after deciding last week’s question was easier to ask than answer, and then not being able to split South Africa and New Zealand, I’ve made this week’s question even harder again.

And while I was thinking about Argentina when I posed the question, I do think now that their draw might work against them.

As mad as The Rugby Championship has been in 2022, it still feels like two wins are going to be needed from here, and for Los Pumas, that will mean winning two of their remaining games in Hamilton, Buenos Aires, and Durban. That’s not easy.

The Wallabies, on the other hand, still have two games at home, in Sydney and Melbourne. And they’re hard games, no doubt, as is the third game to follow in Auckland, but the fact that they won’t have to travel much is definitely an advantage for Australia. (Yes, I know New Zealand are in that same boat, but the parameters, people.)

Therefore, if they can claim the first ever international victory at the new Sydney Football Stadium this weekend, they’ll be entitled to head to Melbourne with confidence, regardless of what Los Pumas might do to New Zealand in the ‘Tron.

And given the aforementioned madness in this year’s tournament, a win in the first Bledisloe could well be enough.

Digger
They say a week is a long time in sport and indeed life, and certainly this year’s Rugby Championship is proving that very point.

Last week I had the All Blacks as favourites due to what I thought was a favourable draw, but let’s just rip that up and look at the two teams I had third and fourth, the Wallabies and Pumas.

Of the two I would have to favour Argentina as the potential favourite. As inspired as the Wallaby performance was against the Springboks, it comes as no surprise either to see them roll over the top of the Boks at home. It is not like it is not uncommon, and while the Pumas will certainly be full of self-belief, having achieved a first in their history of a win in New Zealand, you cannot ignore the form of their forward pack – especially the loose trio who are just killing it at the moment.

With a ‘who really knows what is going on and will happen’ All Blacks and Springboks to come and tack on, they are the only side thus far to string two good performances in a row in this competition.

It is not all that silly to suggest the Pumas may break their trophy duck in this Rugby Championship. But I have scribbled this all down on recycled paper, just for the inevitable ripping up that is bound to happen next week.

Marika Koroibete of the Wallabies  (Photo by Mark Kolbe/Getty Images)

Geoff
Despite falling to Argentina last week, I’m still tipping New Zealand to sneak the title, courtesy of a Pumas hangover, and having a match at Eden Park up their sleeve. That’s all backed up by the bookies.

The reality is however, that any of the four sides can win.

If Australia can tip over the revamped Boks this week in Sydney, then a win in Melbourne might be all they need to be the one.

The rider is that the two late tries to Kwagga Smith cost them a bonus point which, this season, are as hard to find as golden hen’s teeth and Mark Robinson’s friends.

Can Australia deliver? Well, if they beat last week’s Boks side, they can definitely beat this week’s, assuming they don’t get ahead of themselves and keep focus on executing the basics.

And there have been enough wins against the All Blacks in Australia in recent years – against better All Blacks sides than this one – to suggest another win in Melbourne is possible.

Harry
New Zealand is the favourite in every match or tournament they enter except for five times against the Springboks (and they won one).

So, I’ll stick with that reality, but if we have to select an alternate team I will go with the Wallabies, because they are facing a Bok team which has no recognized flyhalf or kicker.

Win in Sydney after the All Blacks do the up in their up-down-up pattern in Hamilton, and suddenly Melbourne looms as an upset opportunity. And at some point, in the merry-go-round of Springbok selections, we will see Evan Roos at no.8, Cheslin Kolbe back, and a win or two over Argentina.

(Photo by Joe Allison/Getty Images)

So, advantage Wallabies. If. They. Win. In. Sydney.

I’m also saying that because I’m in Australia right now.

(But I still think the All Blacks have this Championship, if they find a way to beat amazing Argentina).

Question 2: What is your team’s biggest challenge for Round 4 this weekend?

Nobes
I have always been encouraged that to beat The All Blacks you must play the perfect game.

After the victory of Los Pumas this last weekend that theory came to nothing, and the new theory is to do some things better than the opposition and put them under pressure.

The Pumas will have to improve the set piece, especially the scrum where they were in serious trouble for most of the game. They should not be fooled and be able to contain the line and maul where the first try of those in black came from.

Above all, they must maintain or even increase, if possible, the level of intensity in defence since the All Blacks will come out with all their arsenal to reverse the series. Stay focused for 80 minutes and always play the next move without looking at the score.

Another Saturday red eye night is coming for those of us on this side of the world, but with a different flavour than the ones in the past.

Brett
Doing it all again will be the Wallabies biggest challenge. Without any question at all.

The thing about consistency, as everyone knows, is you have to do it all the time. The Wallabies did a lot of things well in Adelaide, and doing all those same things well again will be the first step to winning in Sydney.

But there’s also some significant improvements to be made. The lineout. The scrum. The 24 missed tackles, to name three obvious examples from a list that would run a bit longer.

(Photo by Mark Kolbe/Getty Images)

Even just a 50 percent improvement in those three areas will make a big difference. Win a couple of scrums to paint a different picture. Not lose five lineouts from your own throw and suddenly the lineout drive comes into play. Miss fewer tackles and watch the pressure on the Boks grow.

Doing it all again will also show that they can actually do it all again. Stringing wins together has not come easy for this Wallabies team, and frankly, there’s no better time to start rectifying that than the maiden international fixture at the new Sydney Football Stadium.

Digger
Themselves, quite frankly.

The All Blacks will certainly be under immense pressure to rectify last weekend and salvage their fate in this competition. They simply have to find a way to get past that and not let it drag them further into the abyss.

Oh, and some attention to the breakdown would be good – no, actually a LOT of attention to the breakdown would be really good.

And bring back that kicking game from Ellis Park a few weeks back; a bit more variation would be nice to see.

Geoff
The All Blacks’ biggest challenge rests around subtle changes to their game plan. The Pumas were happy to play without the ball and backed their defence in – with great success. Look for the All Blacks to kick more this week, with more variation, to try to transfer some of the pressure back to the visitors.

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With the Puma’s big men clogging the centre channels, look also for more incision closer to the ruck. They also must stop giving away penalties while in possession, and when they kick to a line out in the attacking 22, execute far more clinically.

That’s a lot more challenges that the question asked for, but it’s also indicative of where the AB’s sit right now. It’s a whole set of issues.

The challenge for Australia is far more straightforward. Prove that they’re a side capable of backing up one big effort with another.

Finally, it’s also a big test for the security at the new Allianz Football Stadium, ensuring that bags are checked thoroughly to prevent another distressing sniper incident.

Harry
The Springboks’ biggest challenge is to play rugby without an experienced Test ten.

Or a goal kicker who kicks for his club. Also, there is no lock cover, and Eben Etzebeth has played over 425 minutes this season.

So, it’s an “everything must go just right” weekend.

But hell, the Wallabies had everything go right last weekend: Nic White died and came back to life, Marika Koroibete was shot out of a cannon and hit a soft target, and Ox Nche scored so many times he didn’t.

OVER TO YOU: Make a case for a different team as the new Rugby Championship favourites.

And what’s your team’s biggest challenge this weekend?

The Crowd Says:

2022-09-03T03:26:29+00:00

Noodles

Roar Rookie


Carlos: I don’t want to jinx you. But the Pumas seem to be the form team. I’d pick them if I had to choose. I’m hoping WBs will again start well and finish better. Hopefully with far fewer penalties. I’m afraid I simply can’t understand what’s happening with ABs and SA. But I expect both to turn about sharply. A terrific tournament.

2022-09-02T18:00:46+00:00

JRVJ

Roar Rookie


I don't think there's a person in the world who would disagree with you, in regards any sport across the world. As to overthinking things, what I think doesn't ultimately matter. But I would hope Cheika is not UNDER thinking this Test. However, our opinions may differ.

AUTHOR

2022-09-02T03:24:36+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


Correct, NH: 42 Kremmer 39 Lavanini 38 Montoya 33 Matera 32 Kolisi

AUTHOR

2022-09-02T03:22:33+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


It really feels like you're massively over-thinking this, JRVJ. My point is simply, coaches and players always want to perform better. That's it.

2022-09-02T02:04:30+00:00

Khun Phil

Roar Rookie


Yes,Cheika stuck with his Waratahs defence coach,Nathan Grey,and that didn't work out too well!

2022-09-02T01:26:19+00:00

KiwiHaydn

Roar Rookie


Then, and only then, will NZ Rugby sack Foster and offer the ABs gig to Razor, who will turn around and say “No thanks bro, I’m off to join Eddie to help him win a World Cup for England”.

2022-09-02T01:25:34+00:00

JRVJ

Roar Rookie


Argentina's defense during the Christchurch Test famously passed the eye test and the statistical test. If your point is that Cheika should demand that his side play better defense, well of course he should ask them to play better defense. If nothing else, Cheika's harangues seem to be having an effect on the Puma players. If your point, however, is that Cheika should plan for and/or expect the Pumas to play better defense than they did in Christchurch (*), then I hope Cheika is not foolish enough to expect lightning to strike twice and has plans B, C, D and E at the ready. (*) With the proviso that they can and should defend their maul defense.

2022-09-02T01:23:53+00:00

KiwiHaydn

Roar Rookie


Clearly the Wallabies are the favourites to take out the Rugby Championship. They are in the box seat and have the Boks on the ropes (and the referee in their pocket if you can believe rugby Twitter). They then face the ABs hot off a 2-nil drubbing by the Pumas, with Foster et al sticking to the same side for the fourth game running yet reverting back to the same game plan that hasn’t worked for 5 years :shocked: The Wallabies to take Bled 1 in Melbourne, then head to Eden Park with their sails up, ready to take back the Bledisloe, win the RC and break the Eden Park hoodoo all at the same time.

2022-09-01T23:28:19+00:00

moaman

Roar Guru


It’s perfectly fine to have different opinions (none of this is personal). :thumbup:

2022-09-01T23:19:19+00:00

moaman

Roar Guru


I'm afraid it's NZ crowds generally. One of many reasons I don't attend games any more.

AUTHOR

2022-09-01T22:38:35+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


If NZ and the Boks win this week NH, we'll be in more dark than ever, with everyone on two wins!!

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2022-09-01T22:27:23+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


More than a few suggestions of late about Los Puma loose trio being the best in the world, currently, Carlin. Pretty hard to argue, too..

2022-09-01T22:00:52+00:00

Rugby Tragic

Roar Rookie


Yes I reckon we will get a lot of answers this weekend - looking forward to it. All four teams can win from here, so let's see who wants it more.

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2022-09-01T21:51:30+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


Rugby might be measured by stats JRVJ, but its not a statistical game. When a coach or team says they need to defend better, they don't mean they need to literally make more tackles or fewer missed tackles. They just need to defend better. Stats or otherwise, there's nothing unrealistic about holding that standard for the team..

2022-09-01T18:22:17+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


It seems when underdog they do better but the second game they either get worked out or crumble under expectation. If they overcome that they may finally bring a trophy back from NZ.

2022-09-01T18:20:09+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


NZ have had plenty low scoring games. Their attack is too patchy. NZ are worrying about not losing the ball on the floor, they are alot less attack focused than previous teams. Most AB tries have been coming from getting the defence on the back foot in the NZ 22. In the opposition 22 the longer NZ have the ball the less likely they look to score.

2022-09-01T18:14:28+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


I think the four top tacklers in the RC are all Argentine. They have a well organised defence where each man takes his man down. Easy to do match after match. Especially if the attack have long periods of running across the field or backwards.

2022-09-01T18:10:22+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


I think being the older wiser head second time round means he can get in the team that helps him so more balanced. Coaches that work for you in Club Rugby don't always work at international due to time with players etc.

2022-09-01T18:07:18+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


Argentina's strenght I think was when the players moved to Europe. Having them all at the Jags was great for Super Rugby but bad for Argentina. I think them being in different teams helps them bring more approaches to tackling problems. Also the brotherhood is better when they aren't together every day of the year

2022-09-01T17:08:06+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


This is the most interesting RC since Argentina joined. Generally it's been a 1 or 2 horse race with most games being about how much Team A would win by. Even if SA and NZ win this week we will still all be in the dark for the last two rounds. For me Argentina apart from the first game collapse have been most consistent and can attack and defend well, though some times attack is territory rather than running. NZ and SA have to win this week or the rest of the comp is irrelevant. I think we will know in the first 20 if either will. Oz still remain the best attacking team against organised defences, think one more win probably v NZ the RC has been a success.

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