Eddie Betts has called on all AFL clubs to review their historical treatment of First Nations players amid the fresh racism furore that has engulfed the competition.
Indigenous champion Betts said he was saddened but not surprised to learn of racism claims at Hawthorn, detailed in an independent report commissioned by the club and published by the ABC.
Betts said some of the allegations, which were described as “sickening” by the federal government, reminded him of the Stolen Generation. They include one player alleging Hawthorn coaches told him and his partner to terminate a pregnancy and separate so the player could focus on football
“This could happen at any football club,” said Betts on Fox Footy.
“And I think that every football club should do a review like this.
“Every football club should come out and do an external review, contact the Indigenous players and past Indigenous players and see how that footy club was.”
Betts, who has publicly detailed his own experiences of racism in the AFL system and in life, praised the unnamed players’ bravery in speaking up as part of the Hawthorn review.
“It was a tough read, reading that today, but I wasn’t surprised, to be honest,”said Betts.
“Aboriginal people, we’re not surprised as well, (because) we face these issues in many systems – in the education system, in the justice system, in the health system.
“It always comes back to what I’ve been preaching a lot, and that’s education.”
The allegations have cast doubt over the coaching futures of Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan, with the AFL set to outsource an investigation into claims which centre on the pair’s time at Hawthorn. Clarkson will delay starting his fresh appointment as North Melbourne coach, which was scheduled to begin on November 1, while Fagan has taken leave from Brisbane.
Both men are co-operating with the league’s investigation, but Clarkson issued a statement on Wednesday refuting any wrongdoing. The AFL said both coaches would be afforded “natural justice” by an independent panel.
Hawthorn’s Indigenous great Shaun Burgoyne says he was unaware of “confronting” racism claims while at the AFL club. Burgoyne, the first Indigenous footballer to play 400 AFL games, says he was shocked to read media reports on Wednesday detailing alleged racism at the Hawks.
“It’s very confronting to be honest, to see that and hear that, because I had no knowledge of those instances ever happening,” said Burgoyne to a grand final luncheon in Melbourne on Wednesday.
Shaun Burgoyne. (Photo by Albert Perez/Getty Images)
“I was never involved. I was never asked. This is the first I’ve heard of it.
“So it’s very confronting, considering I was there and I wasn’t involved in any of it. Because I would have helped and I would have definitely been able to hopefully prevent some of those things from happening.”
Burgoyne played for Port Adelaide from 2001 to 2009 then joined the Hawks from 2010 until retiring last year
The ABC reported on Wednesday that a former Hawthorn Indigenous player alleged he was told by ex-coach Alastair Clarkson to terminate his partner’s pregnancy.
The player said a group of coaches including Clarkson and Chris Fagan also urged him to break up with his partner, the ABC reported.
Clarkson, who has released a statement denying any wrongdoing, has delayed starting as North Melbourne’s new coach from November 1. Fagan has taken leave as Brisbane coach as the AFL launches an independent investigation into the claims.
Clarkson was Hawthorn’s head coach from 2005 and 2021, while Fagan was an assistant coach and general manager of football at the club from 2008 to 2016, before being appointed Brisbane coach in 2017 Hawthorn earlier this year held a review into claims of historic racism at the club. The review was performed by external First Nations consultants who did not speak with Clarkson or Fagan.
Chris Fagan (Photo by Daniel Pockett/AFL Photos/via Getty Images)
“This process was … to speak purely to our First Nations past players and staff,” Hawthorn chief executive Justin Reeves told reporters on Wednesday.
“We had no idea what was to come out of those conversations so we didn’t speak to anyone outside of that group.”
Hawthorn’s current coach Sam Mitchell, who played for the club between 2002 and 2016, said the ABC report was “enormously troubling”.
“I’m torn in a thousand different directions, to be honest,” said Mitchell at the same luncheon as Burgoyne.
“I’m very much like everyone else, I got a heads-up yesterday that something was coming out.
“And when I woke up and read it this morning I was upset … the word disturbed was probably accurate.
ABC Journo comes out swinging as Fagan says he wasn’t there for the meeting
The journalist who broke the disturbing story on Wednesday has hit back after questions surrounding his investigation were discussed on Channel 9’s Footy Classified.
ABC’s Russell Jackson, was angered by suggestions his reporting was not accurate regarding Fagan’s involvement, taking direct aim at Eddie McGuire.
Caroline Wilson revealed on the panel Fagan’s different version of events from one of the most confronting claims.
“Chris Fagan and people close to him are not sure he was actually at the meeting, and I think Chris Fagan has told the Brisbane Lions that he doesn’t recall it,” said Wilson
“My understanding is that it was sent to Brisbane to the general number on the email,” replied McGuire
“But he still contacted them,” said Wilson
“So you’re saying the journalist did go to Fagan and ask the question? Because that’s journalistic rigour isn’t it? To be given the opportunity so they would have known today this isn’t a shock, because he would have left a message, ‘I’m ringing in’,” added Ross Lyon
“It was an email that went to the club, went to the general number, it doesn’t matter.”
“I think it’s important they were all aware …”
“They were all contacted,” added Wilson.
“The truth will come out, so obviously there are different versions of events. As we keep saying they’re allegations, but both those men were part of the three premierships in a row and one a few years earlier that Clarkson was also involved in — they’ve (the flags) been tainted in my view.
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“So much went on behind the scenes, to hear the captain (Luke Hodge) say he had no idea it was going on. Even close teammates said they had no idea. What goes on at football clubs and how much do people ever really know?”
Essendon legend Matthew Lloyd added: “Interesting though it says Chris Fagan was in the room, Chris Fagan is saying he doesn’t know and wasn‘t there. That’s how tricky and difficult a situation this is.”
Nicholls to present GF medal
Hall of Fame legend John Nicholls will present the Jock McHale Medal to the winning coach at the AFL grand final.
The Carlton great will have the honour 50 years after leading the Blues to the 1972 VFL premiership as captain-coach.
Nicholls will present the medal to either Geelong’s Chris Scott or Sydney’s John Longmire, with both men chasing their second premiership as coach.
“It is an honour,” 83-year-old Nicholls said.
“I’ve always regarded myself as a very loyal VFL and AFL person and if I get asked to do these things, you do them.”
Nicholls could not split Geelong and Sydney, who will do battle for the second time this season.
The Swans won the teams’ first meeting by 30 points, way back in round two, but the Cats finished the regular season two games clear at the top of the ladder.
“It is a 50-50 contest,” Nicholls said.
“Geelong are the favourites, but Sydney in the last four or five games have been unbelievable.
“I wouldn’t choose one team over the other as I respect both teams so much.”
(With AAP)
Aransan
Roar Rookie
I think supporters will become tired of these discussions if they feel that their game is being used too much to address society’s problems with racism and indigenous disadvantage.
Russ
Roar Rookie
Unfortunately the terminology and comparisons used by the Federal Govt, AFL house and some ex-players is unhelpful given no investigation has occurred as yet.
Kevo
Roar Rookie
Yeah makes sense
Naughty's Headband
Roar Rookie
There's a couple of pertinent issues that need to be cleared here: - was this advice given to Aboriginal players only? Given that no Caucasian players were interviewed I can't see how it can be determined that this behaviour was directed to Aboriginal players only and that the players were treated with prejudice based on their race. - how can an investigation be completed without interviewing the perpetrator? I've seen many workplace investigations and this has never happened. Now I've been thinking about this for a while I get the nagging suspicion that this is more of an issue of cultural differences, ie. the coaches not considering the perspectives of the players, than prejudice based on their race. I hope I'm right. I read the Collingwood report and it was complete garbage; the outcome of "systemic racism" was determined based on two incidents that were decades apart whilst the report ignored all the good things that Collingwood has done. That report was written by activists and it got the outcome they wanted. I hope this one is more objective because we still have a long way to go in this country and building mistrust between each other suits the activists but destroys the good work of many people.
Cat
Roar Guru
Why do you need to know? So you can attack and belittle them?
Cat
Roar Guru
The report was so bad HFC had no choice but turn it over to the AFL to do the investigation. Imagine if they didn’t and it leaked. Screams of cover up.
G money
Roar Rookie
Those were my thoughts exactly Cam.. to me a baby would be preferential for an athlete, keeps them home, added responsibility, a subconscious 'need to perform and provide'. All good things in elite sport. Bizarre actions if true
Luke
Guest
Yeah, you probably should use that term, non whites dude. And maybe your club was not having racist issues, but many clubs do on many levels. I played in division 1 at local level and I can definitely say that racism was rife….people would think they are being funny to a Muslim person or indigenous person or Maltese person, but often, they were just using subtle racism and the pie person would laugh in response out of awkwardness. It really is rife in most teams. I found that it’s the sort of racism that people don’t think is racism, but it is and it really does cause harm and hurt. In Australia we have a real problem I would say.
Brian
Guest
In a time billed job like Ernst and young or a law firm sure I understand. Kids reduce billable hours available. However in an AFL environment with young men requiring discipline along with fixed hours worked there's just nothing to be lost and a lot to be gained from a player becoming a parent
Kevo
Roar Rookie
Seems a pretty irrelevant exaggerated generalisation in relation to footy clubs.
AdamDilligafThompson
Roar Rookie
But if the report that hawthorn got was from a period of time where both were coaches of the club, wouldn't you think somebody would of asked them about their experience and opinion of what they thought that period of time at the club was like and their relationships with the indigenous players.
Kevo
Roar Rookie
That last sentence sounds a bit ordinary my non non white friend. Sport can be a great leveller but that sounds a bit like kiss ass mentality in the boys club to fit in. Life doesn't get much more shallow than the boys finding their social equilibrium through a beer glass......you know Duck and Stevo best of mates sort of BS.
AdamDilligafThompson
Roar Rookie
I agree it's time every club had a review done. If every club does this now it can stop anything coming out in the future and can be dealt with now by any clubs or people affected and some form of amends can be made(hopefully) and we can all do our best moving forward and hopefully learn from the mistakes from the past and present. Sounds good in a perfect world anyway.
Cam
Roar Rookie
I can't think of a single reason when it comes to male football players. I played and coached for decades in a couple of codes and generally found players who fathered children to be more settled, reliable and mature. There would be zero motivation for an AFL team to want players to abort babies. To what end? I will be interested to find out the what has actually transpired once the AFL complete their investigation.
AdamDilligafThompson
Roar Rookie
Thats what I heard too, that somehow the report was leaked and the allegations that the reporter has gone with aren't actually in the report that hawthorn got. Like you said though "I think"
Kevo
Roar Rookie
HFC didn't have the balls or foresight to do due diligence and duty of care to all parties, including all their former employees and the well-being of their families. HFC didn't have the capacity to complete a balanced report into their club's culture or to contain the situation before buckling over to the AFL and the media.
Brian
Guest
Sometimes and sometimes they get a more motivated and mature employee
Tony Harper
Editor
'moderation' is on the list too :thumbup:
Brian
Guest
So who are the accusers? Anyone?
Aransan
Roar Rookie
I wonder if The Roar could do something about names that trip moderation such as Drper of Essendon and Fgan of Brisbane.