'Dysfunction': The big four's transition to the AFL era

By Felix Stone / Roar Rookie

The big four are powerhouses of the AFL – this is at least the fairytale that permeates the AFL landscape here in Victoria. But how have each of the big four adapted to the reality that is the modern AFL?

Carlton

The unfortunate reality that permeates Carlton at the moment is the airs and graces that the club and supporters put on. It only took 10 weeks of the 2022 season for the average fan to want nothing but the demise of the club, not the players. Besides the Cripps fiasco at the end of the season no one wanted the players to suffer.

But we’d be lying if we said we looked at the prospect of letting Carlton fans be satisfied with a finals berth and didn’t have a negative reaction.

The club has failed to adapt to the modern world of the AFL. No better example of this can be found than my own experience of this club.

I am a Collingwood fan. I don’t understand the rivalry between Collingwood and Carlton even after round 23 of this year. They’ve just been terrible. In my lifetime Carlton has not won a premiership – the last one came three years before I was born.

The fans still want excellence and feel an ownership of the AFL world that they have no right to claim.

The world has moved beyond the team that has the most money winning the flag every season. But Carlton expects excellence whilst still operating as an overwhelming force that they just can’t back up at this point.

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In terms of teams in the modern competition they should feel like Fremantle fans: proud and wanting better but the arrogance that they show is beyond belief. The Carlton football club will not achieve success until they deal with the overly exaggerated internal expectations built on VFL history.

And that will take some time and pain at least at the club level.

Collingwood

Biased opinion here is obvious, feel free to tell me I’m wrong but I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I felt Collingwood has handled the transition to the AFL era better than any of the big four. Yes, Richmond has won more flags. Yes, we’re still suffering from the collywobbles.

But we have made the grand final six times and been competitive more years than not since the VFL became the AFL. We’re a shambles off the field some years, yes we do need to “do better” but also the team has been amazing in years.

The biggest problem that Collingwood has ever had in the AFL era was financial and we’ve not been in debt for years.

The only problem that potentially arising is too high an expectation.

We should only expect a premiership once every 18 years but Collingwood fans that I’ve seen have been riding high on 1990 and 2010 and will happily wait another eight years before they are bothered, in part due to the team’s lack of premiership success in the lead-up to the AFL forming.

We’re happy to be competitive every few years and that’s a secret to success in the modern era. Not everyone can be a dynasty.

Especially in the wake of the season we’ve just had we want the team to do better next year but we’re very proud of our progress in one season.

Essendon

Can I just say Carlton, but more so? Abandoning all reason, participating in a supplement cheating regime? Where to start? Essendon fans are browbeaten at this point.

The least often talked-about worst deal in football was the 25-year deal with Dockland – a better deal to isolate the fan-base could not have been made. Docklands is just a bad stadium with the lights in the fans’ eyes being the main problem.

But they’re either the third or fourth-largest team in Melbourne playing seven home games in the smaller stadium in the city and the one that has the worst fan experience. The club has 78,000-odd members, their members physically cannot attend those home games. It was downright short-sighted to sign a 25-year deal, and they’ve been paying for it ever since.

However, this does not explain the treatment of head coaches in recent years. The expectation of success that permeates the club with no reason to back it up has seriously hampered any development that the team could have hoped for, especially after the supplements saga.

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Ben Rutten’s sacking is the best example there is. But it was the treatment of John Worsfold two years prior that set them up for this disaster. They had a coach who was committed to the playing group and despite problems had shown promise developing talented players and building a strong core.

Instead of sacking him due to his failure on the field they just brought in his replacement whilst he was still in the building and then they tried to do the same thing this year with Rutten. This is not how a football club in a professional environment should operate.

Richmond

I have the least to say about this team because, well, they figured it out eventually, didn’t they? They are the best-run big four team currently.

The Tigers have to weather the transition away from their premiership core to a new era before we know if they’ve made sustainable changes in the clubhouse but they are the prime example of how to run a club for the time being.

It was a long 27 years before they did it in the AFL era but they now seem to have an excellent structure and a board that can manage the pressure of the 100,000 members every season.

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If they can maintain this success not winning a flag every year but not experiencing long periods out of contention and settle into a West Coast, Sydney style in contention most years and never being completely dysfunctional for more than a year then bouncing back, they could easily unseat Collingwood as the team best adapted to the AFL era of these four.

All these clubs suffer from a weight of expectation that comes from being as big as they are but I see all clubs adjusting to these new time eventually because the people who remember the good old days will eventually stop getting a say and there will be room for new growth and ideas in all areas.

But for now I am going to enjoy the dysfunction.

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The Crowd Says:

2022-10-29T02:11:21+00:00

The Ghost

Guest


Richmond are far more successful than Collingwood. When was the last time Collingwood won three out of four grand finals? Collingwood have an abysmal grand final strike rate that no team should be proud of. Yes you are biased. Here is a reality check about Collingwood. 1) They are a faux working class club who are more about big money than the working class. 2) They have a horrible history of racism. 3) They think they can be mentioned in the same sentence as Manchester United, but hanging their hats on being runners up doesn’t equate to success. 4) Despite all their money and support they still can’t win premierships on a regular basis. 5) They love the Collingwood area so much they decided to relocate to Olympic Boulevard.

2022-10-06T06:41:49+00:00

Reggie P.

Roar Rookie


Yes, didn’t see that one coming …

2022-09-26T11:45:38+00:00

Jimmy Woods

Roar Rookie


Nice read Felix. I am old enough to remember the mutual fan hatred between Collingwood & Carlton. Anyone who attended round 23 would have felt the passion. 100% correct on Essendon selling out it’s fans when taking the Docklands deal, they were MCG tenants before Pies were. And agree that despite our failures and ridicule we are one wild ride and more often than not winning against the odds.

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2022-09-22T16:04:02+00:00

Felix Stone

Roar Rookie


yeah I get that it comes down to two different metrics in my mind, games won vs premierships won. I don't have any data back this up but life is just better for me when the pies are up and about, collingwood has lost more grand finals than anyone else but for the 6 months before all those losses it was fun the fans were entertained and you cant really be ashamed of it like you feel when a team is awful. its a trade off not perfect but I've been happier more years because of collingwood than sad even in and 2012 and 2018

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2022-09-22T15:57:22+00:00

Felix Stone

Roar Rookie


yes but roos was part of establishing a professional culture at all levels of the club which is something all these team do/have struggled with witch are isolated to the afl era

2022-09-22T14:35:41+00:00

Shane

Guest


Interesting read. Difficult to assess the big 4 when you follow one of them. You are braver then I am. Collingwood have been in a lot of grand finals, I wonder though if the club would measure themselves on making grand finals or 'winning them'. 3 flags v 2 I think Collingwood would prefer a 3rd flag to the 4 unsuccessful grand finals.

2022-09-22T09:40:43+00:00

Eureka

Guest


Swans didn’t become consistently good before Paul Roos became coach. All teams have had some darker days with Hawks, Eagles, Cats and Swans being the best performers over the journey.

2022-09-22T09:35:55+00:00

Eureka

Guest


Woosha’s wife had been living in Perth for almost 2 years so he resigned and let Rutten take the reigns. Woosh and his family gave over 30 years to the game and Georgina had enough and Woosh put family first - he wasn’t sacked or asked to move on. No excuses for how some of the coterie and fans treated him and they deserve many more years of pain for their arrogance and ineptitude.

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2022-09-22T06:59:33+00:00

Felix Stone

Roar Rookie


Nup, doesn't stick in my mind really

2022-09-22T03:44:24+00:00

Charlie Keegan

Roar Guru


I dunno surely you remember the time Mick Malthouse coaching Carlton to a win against Collingwood in their 125th anniversary game?

2022-09-22T02:54:26+00:00

PeteB

Roar Rookie


I’m old enough to remember 79 and 81 grand finals but yeah since then there hasn’t been much to continue the rivalry. Really enjoyed watching the Pies this year and they became my second team haha

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2022-09-22T00:48:37+00:00

Felix Stone

Roar Rookie


Pete the sad thing is in my life time I have never understood the rivalry that the two teams have, carlton and collingwood haven't been competitive at the same time in my time on this earth they're just a team with annoying fans I have no reason to hate carlton

2022-09-21T21:51:07+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


Geelong was until Brian Cook took over.

2022-09-21T21:27:09+00:00

Marty Gleason

Roar Guru


Good article! This is a subject I think about as well. They've all been a shambles at various stages (Collingwood in the 90s). Apart from Geelong and Sydney who hasn't, I guess.

2022-09-21T21:24:18+00:00

Christo the Daddyo

Roar Rookie


“ The club has 78,000-odd members, their members physically cannot attend those home games.” If this argument was played out to its logical conclusion, every Essendon home game would be a sellout. But they’re not. Blaming the stadium is a fig leaf for other problems.

2022-09-21T21:01:08+00:00

PeteB

Roar Rookie


Collingwood fan hating on Carlton. Typical !

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