Draw, draft or draught beer? My NRL off-season ponderings

By Hairy / Roar Rookie

With the 2022 season done and dusted and Penrith yet again hoisting the trophy, most fans’ minds turn off from rugby league for a few months and begin to remember that there are other things to do on the weekend – and other reasons to sink a draught beer.

Not everyone though.

The usual suspects are pondering old and new ideas for off-season competitions, new competition structures and equalisation so that perhaps their team could one-day hope to lose to Penrith in a grand final.

Plenty are revisiting the discussion about a player draft; and while a great idea and I wish it could be worked out it seems unlikely given the power of the Players Association.

While they work out the details, how about we visit another idea which may scratch the itch of the player draft, but not upset the players.

It centres around giving the clubs more choice in the selection of their draw rather than just the NRL and broadcasters. The idea is a draft for selection of the draw, rather than players.

The NRL draw has always seemed unbalanced. It is almost impossible to create a fair draw without each team playing every other team the same number of times.

Even then, playing a team early in the season rather than in the middle around Origin, or later leading up to the finals can be very different.

When you add in the needs of the broadcasters, stadium upgrades and some clubs being more influential than others the task becomes even more difficult.

As there aren’t enough games in the season for each of the 16 teams, now 17 and maybe 18 soon, to play each-other twice, decisions must be made about which teams play each-other twice in the season.

There are clear attempts made to provide teams finishing lower on the ladder more games against teams at the bottom and less against the better teams, however, this involves an assessment of the rank of teams in the competition.

This is where the real complication comes in. How suitable is the previous year’s rank to how a team will perform the year later? What happens when teams improve out of sight like the Cowboys and Broncos did this year?

How much are player movements considered? This can result in some teams at bottom getting tougher draws as other teams around them improve, all of which is out of the hands of the clubs.

What if the NRL gave some of that power back to the clubs to decide? Would clubs get involved in a draft? What would that look like and is the effect of the draw considerable enough for clubs to get actively involved?

So, each team plays 24 games in the year and when the 17th team enters, they will each play eight other teams twice. A draft could be used for the clubs themselves to choose which other eight teams they play twice.

The draft would work much like any other draft, where the teams finishing last will get first pick of an opponent they get to play twice while the premiers will get last pick of each round. There will be eight rounds to choose each opponent.

The benefit of this draft is that each club gets to make their own assessment of how their and each of the other teams will fair the next year. While some clubs seem more knowledgeable than others, presumably the best judges of players, teams and other coaches would be the NRL clubs themselves.

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It should also remove any whingeing from clubs about how unfair the draw is, when they get to choose it themselves.

Generally, the team considered the worst team will likely get chosen in the first eight picks, meaning the top eight teams will likely only play them once.

Where there are multiple poorer teams as we have had, the top teams will only get 1 chance at choosing those teams.

Perhaps the bottom two or four teams could have two first or second round selections to ensure they get a beneficial draw.

Now, the broadcasters probably aren’t going to particularly like this idea and they are more powerful than the players association as they fund the game and they would prefer games which have larger viewing potential.

So, the NRL and broadcasters can offer financial incentives to the clubs for certain games. Games like the ‘Battle of the West’ between Penrith and Parramatta, the ‘Battle of Brookvale’ between Manly and Melbourne, local rivalries like that between the Roosters and Souths, Dragons and Sharks, Brisbane and the Dolphins or any other games which generally are more preferred.

Other games like the grand final rematch and Anzac day games may be locked in and those teams lose a selection (on they basis they are already financially beneficial games).

The financial incentives could be in the form of direct payments to the club or even salary cap exemptions. Let’s not also forget that some games would also naturally generate more revenue for a club than others and so a financially savvy club may prioritise those fixtures.

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If financial incentives and salary cap exemptions are included, it could give enough capital to entice clubs to trade selections.

If the NRL wanted to get real fancy, selections could be made for number of home games, or even timing of games within the season. Perhaps game timings could be traded to reduce short turnarounds or increase Friday night fixtures.

For instance, a lower placed club with some room in the cap could offer a club at the top of the ladder some of their salary cap for their draft selection.

A top club may not be too worried about who they play each week, but they will certainly be pushing the salary cap and looking to balance it.

For the bottom club a better chance at another two points could be the difference between playing finals. Perhaps a club is struggling financially, and they need to ensure they get some top billing games with big crowds and bank some incentives from the NRL.

Where a club trades away enough selections that they run out, the NRL and broadcasters can choose remaining opponents.

The draft and potential trading can also provide revenue with greater broadcast opportunities and general interest into the game.

At the very least it could give a taste or steppingstone into a player draft. Perhaps in future it could be combined and draw selections could be included in player and pick swaps?

What do we think, is a Draw Draft a good idea? Would it work, would it mean enough to the clubs to get involved? Would the Broadcasters or the NRL allow this?

The Crowd Says:

2022-10-12T05:38:11+00:00

Dwanye

Roar Rookie


Have 17 rounds and the finals a top 17 team knockout. Lol

2022-10-09T10:23:04+00:00

JennyFromPenny

Guest


No worries, you don't think the home crowd has any influence on the game. I think it does.

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2022-10-09T08:07:51+00:00

Hairy

Roar Rookie


Yeah, could put a number of things on the table. Game timings, short turnarounds, road trips, teams to play at home or away. Starts getting a little complex though.

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2022-10-09T08:05:07+00:00

Hairy

Roar Rookie


I don't think cutting the season down to 17 games is an option. Would cut about 25% of the games funding. This idea is an attempt at addressing the issue without wholesale changes to the competition structure.

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2022-10-09T07:55:34+00:00

Hairy

Roar Rookie


I would argue that it affects teams differently. Games which require travel would be more disruptive to away teams I think, but professional organisations and teams with good player relationships can handle it better. Not sure how much of an advantage/disadvantage it would be between Sydney teams.

2022-10-09T07:20:39+00:00

JennyFromPenny

Guest


Would you concede that for eg, playing Storm away at AAMI is more difficult to win, than playing them at the other team's home ground ? Or do you think there's just no difference ?

2022-10-09T04:49:36+00:00

Tim Buck 3

Roar Rookie


How is It possible to create a fair draw without each team playing every other team the same number of times? Home ground advantage doesn't help a team beat another it merely locks out the visitors fans and all the other team's supporters who might go and watch it if it were at a large stadium. Who needs paying customers? Answer: Rugby League.

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2022-10-09T04:34:30+00:00

Hairy

Roar Rookie


At the moment a team will only play 9 of the 16 teams twice. It is very hard to truly rank teams for the following year given all the variables, before having to also balance the needs of the broadcaster and ground availability. Inevitably, some teams will play more of the better teams twice while others will get an easier draw and play more of the poorer teams twice. If you play every team twice or only once it is much fairer (although timing of the games can still make a difference), although neither of those options are real possibilities given the player fatigue and broadcast funding respectively.

2022-10-09T04:09:55+00:00

Tim Buck 3

Roar Rookie


The unfair draw should be removed from the NRL along with Golden Point. We should also bring in Perth as the 18th team so there are no byes, including SoO byes. Rather than have a draft draw we could have a second competition like the old City Cup in the NSWRL's Sydney competition. This could be played as a first past the post competition using the 1_v_18, 2_v_17, ...9_v_10 draw with the 2 to 18 moving anti-clockwise by one position. This draw is much better than a random draw pulling numbers out of a hat.

2022-10-09T02:52:30+00:00

Justin

Guest


I don’t think the current season allows for ‘fairness either’. It would make more sense to just cut the length of the season down. Especially if there were 18 teams . Go with 17 regular season games & SOO. If something else is required? A preseason knock out competition.

2022-10-09T02:35:03+00:00

JennyFromPenny

Guest


Hey Hairy, could you please clarify "impossible to create a fair draw without each team playing every other team the same number of times." What do you see as unfair ?, because for the last month of the last three seasons, roar experts, and non-experts alike, have attempted to argue, that there's actually no such thing as home ground advantage, and that Penrith and Cronulla should have had no qualms playing the away from home finals. Based on that nonsense rationale, we should just play each team once through the regular season, which would be totally fair for all. Else only problem with the draft ,which AFL use, would end up the same as they have the last 2/3 of the season, a race for the spoon. Teams tanking left, right, and centre to get first draft picks for the next year. Even teams making a choice at the 1/3 mark, do they chase the finals, or play dead and chase the spoon? That's how the AFL season plays out year upon year. Suggest NRL don't follow suit.

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2022-10-09T02:13:59+00:00

Hairy

Roar Rookie


I think the current system doesn't allow for these post-season changes, but this system can. Clubs can make their own assessments of how strong teams will be with updated rosters and choose opponents accordingly. If they assess incorrectly, than that is on them.

2022-10-09T01:53:42+00:00

Westie

Guest


You would be very tempted to come second last or third last , rather than say fifth last. If the next years draw would advantage your club.

2022-10-09T01:50:06+00:00

Justin

Guest


How do you know how strong Penrith, Melbourne , Parramatta will be next year for example? Melbourne have most of their spine , but have lost Smith & some forwards strength. Penrith have lost arguably one of their 2 most influential players Korisau. Then Kikua who has been huge for them. Parramatta lose one of their top 2 players Mahoney. Then a couple of their other most influential forwards in Niukore & Papali’i. Then Roosters & Cronulla will most likely be stronger, with the additions to their rosters. So your draw doesn’t allow for any of that. In other words. All of the clubs & their supporters losing better & more influential players, will say that your draw is unfair.

2022-10-09T01:16:46+00:00

Brett Allen

Guest


Nice idea in theory, but the broadcasters simply won’t allow it

2022-10-09T00:09:19+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


Find me a stats system that is accurate down to the dollar, can account for positions and gives a 3 year forecast.

2022-10-08T23:17:57+00:00

Bloke7

Roar Rookie


I like the originality of the idea but then the convolutedness put me off. However, it did get me thinking about what we could do to better even the comp since a squads salary doesn't reflect their value. The simplest idea to me would be to add a Fantasy league factor to the salary cap. Basically every time team has a salary cap and a player stat value cap. Of course unlike fantasy league you can't go trading every week. This would mean neutral statisticians apply value, and a player like Munster would struggle to resign with the Storm for lower money than he could get elsewhere. Another alternative would be even simpler. Teams outside the top 8 get an extra 10% cap the following 2 years. The worse the team the sooner they know they'll have that extra cash to splash. Also, anything that gives clear advantage to the bottom team, like a draft, would introduce tanking to the game which I absolutely despise. Giving the bonus to several teams should negate the tanking issue as I doubt any team would intentionally miss out on the 8. Regardless, the whole discussion is important and definitely don't want a player draft.

2022-10-08T22:49:41+00:00

Duncan Smith

Roar Guru


Good idea, I like it. Can there be an option to choose to play teams like Penrith and Melbourne during Origin period?

2022-10-08T22:30:03+00:00

GoGWS

Roar Guru


For both the NRL and AFL I think they should come up with a way of locking most (or all) of the final qualifying teams away after one complete round… so in the AFL they were considering a 17-5 type draw – the first 17 games determined the qualifying top 8 (I think) and a different status was going to apply to the final 5 games of the season (which I think may have been to come up with a ninth finalist). The uneven draw is a blight on both codes… everyone is used to it but let’s face it, it can lead to pretty unfair outcomes. On your idea of having weaker teams nominating the draw that they think will advantage them… even if it works, then don’t you end up with a weaker top 8 than you would otherwise get? Don’t you want the best teams in the finals rather than teams making it due to an advantageous draw? I think the aim should be in principle to come up with a way to rewarding the best teams after one complete round and then somehow hang extra games around that if necessary – or they could even reduce the season to one round only (which will never happen due to greed). I think what will happen is that we’ll just keep the draw as it is, and live with the fact from time to time it throws up a few finalists that don’t really deserve to be there. I think giving bottom teams a say in the next season’s draw would potentially make matters worse (not better) in terms of fairness.

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