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‘Moving forward’ or ‘going forward’ is a pet hate of mine… these redundant phrases are peppered throughout the workplace in emails and meetings. Unless someone possesses a time machine, we all understand that whatever we are discussing will apply “going forward”…

As long as footy's on hold, let's retire these crappy cliches

Rugby League clubs, more than football clubs in the other codes, perennially rely on gaming revenue from pokies to the tune of millions of dollars each year. What happens when the ban is lifted? Will all the old punters flood back in as if nothing has happened? Very unlikely. Many will be out of work or on reduced incomes so they won’t be able to afford to gamble, or not at the same level. Others might simply decide not to return because the enforced period away from pokies has broken the habit. Still others might delay returning because they remain concerned about their health and are worried about sitting in enclosed room full of dozens of strangers who could have the virus. When an overall and complete assessment of the rugby league’s financial health Is undertaken, you’d expect future pokies revenue is going to be discounted heavily for those clubs that rely on them. Pokies revenue is now far less reliable as a source of income. You can’t just flick the switch and expect it all to go back to how it was.

The NRL needs to change from a culture of greed to survive

What’s that old line by Warren Buffet -“When the tide goes out you find out who’s been swimming naked”. The problem the NRL has had is not just a failure to set aside assets (which does hurt them in the short term) but also they are weakened because they have continued to incorporate pokies revenue into the fabric of their business model as a key component for nearly all clubs. Yes there is also some reliance on pokies revenue for some AFL clubs as well but overall it’s not on the same level. So good luck to the NRL when they trot off the government for a handout – how willing is the government going to be to commit taxpayers money into propping up non-viable football operations. Should taxpayers be stepping in to save businesses that are so poorly run, and which rely so heavily on gambling revenue which can’t be relied on in the future. The NRL was swimming naked. This is not a great time for many sports … and it will expose weak business models and poor practices, including in sports like AFL which had become bloated with far too many hangers on in coaching and club administration leading to a high cost structure.

Gus Gould's dire prediction for the future of the NRL

The AFL could play the GF game at Marvel…or better still, while they’re at it they could use this crisis As an opportunity to negotiate an exemption to the idiotic agreement to play all GFs at the MCG… why not throw it open? The GF could be played at the ground of the highest ranked grand finalist – if they were to do that, the GF could end up being played in any of the five states. A 17 game season, with highest ranked grand finalist hosting the GF. It’d be the fairest season ever… I do realise this is still an expanded VFL and wrestling the GF away from Melbourne just isn’t going to happen in the short term, no matter how logical and regardless of whether it is fairer… but it is nice to think of possible silver linings at the moment.

AFL in uncharted waters after shutdown

The NBL couldn’t even manage to finish a five game final series…and meanwhile the NRL is somehow forging ahead with its scheduled 25 week season. It’s not hard to see where the NRL’s season will end up.

The NRL (and AFL) can keep playing but at some point at least one of their clubs will inevitably be impacted by the virus and then what? Does the affected club or clubs exit the competition for 2020 or will they be required to limp along with a diminished playing roster? And the same problem applies to coaching and admin staff at clubs – at some point club coaches and administration will also be impacted. Even granting that players/coaches would likely only suffer milder symptoms, when the virus spreads within a club it could derail their season as affected people work through mandatory self isolation.

Interesting to see how this plays out across the season… both the NRL and AFL have talked about being “agile” and they’re going to need to be.

NRL to meet Australia’s top medico

Very difficult to make a call here.. provided they arm themselves with the best information I guess that’s all they can do… and also when it comes to the crunch we hope they prioritise community health above the financial interests of their own clubs, and their own careers.

NRL to meet Australia’s top medico

Professionalism and increased broadcasting has come to many codes, and to sports generally, in the last 30 years. ‘War’ or no ‘war’ greater prosperity was coming, and greater access for RL fans.

Who really won the Super League war?

Skill errors in a club game slow the play and they give defenders more chance to spoil it or intercept. Some plays in a club game are simply undefendable because the ball use is too quick and precise – in the SOO there are simply a higher proportion of these undefendable plays because the baller carrier and receiver are more highly skilled on average across the ground…even the best defenders In the game will at times have no chance against rapid and precise ball movement… it’s just not set up to be a grind… and that’s fine. It is what it is. I enjoy the games, provided they bring back WA or SA and get rid of the Allies nonsense.

AFL fans have just one reason to be jealous of our NRL cousins

Agree the Allies concept is nonsense – if they do it again use WA or SA. Some comments I hear about ‘lack of intensity’ of the game I think are a bit misguided. In the SOO game highly skilled players are moving the ball to one another in ways that club players are just not able to pull off – so you end up with a lot of speculative plays, and aggressive running patterns that are rewarded. The ball is always going to ping around when you throw that much talent on the ground at one time. It’s always going to look different to a normal club game which has higher error rates and far more conservative plays by players who are less skilled, on average. Enjoy it for what it is, or what it can be if they use WA or SA. It’s always likely to be faster and more free-flowing than a club game which is fine – plenty of SOO contests in 1980s where like this and they were thrilling to watch. AFL SOO is unlikely to be a dour contest like the bash/barge contests in RL – and that’s OK. Comparing RL and Aussie Rules SOO is an apples and oranges comparison – you’d expect them to have a different vibe and they do. Finally, play the damn game in Perth or Adelaide… the Vics have never really appreciated SOO and never will. Play the game where there is passion for it.

AFL fans have just one reason to be jealous of our NRL cousins

OK I’ll take the bait… probably the most exciting player in the AFL at the moment is Buddy Franklin and he’s indigenous. And there’s a host of other exciting aboriginal players that are drawn from all over the country. It’s not a contest but it’s not accurate to say “no so much in AFL”.

The importance of the Indigenous All Stars

Just correcting the record buddy… the same tired old excuses circulating in RL circles… ‘AFL only pulls big crowds because of better management and friendly media’… ‘AFL only pulls big crowds in southern states’… the fact is AFL has always pulled large crowds, in all states it is played…sorry for pointing out this inconvenient truth

The NRL can’t stand idle while the AFL takes America

Yeah not for everyone… just trying to offer an alternative explanation as to why it pulls large crowds..in every state it is played, including NSW and QLD. Some In RL circles try to put it down to better management or friendly media etc…but it is the spectacle of the game itself… it may not appeal to you but it does appeal to plenty of others which is why you get more than 30K at a typical game.

The NRL can’t stand idle while the AFL takes America

It’s the game driving things buddy… it’s not the media and ‘Southern states’ phenomena. The Sydney Swans pull bigger crowds than any NSW based NRL team… the Brisbane Lions are up/down but when they are going they pull very respectable crowds. The Gold Coast Suns and GWS Giants do pull small crowds but they are comparable to the home crowds pulled by RL teams in the region. It is a common claim … not too sure why some in RL circles like to keep repeating this ‘Southern states’ nonsense that just doesn’t line up with reality. Insecurity perhaps? RL is a
‘Northern states’ game so therefore AFL is a ‘Southern states’ game?

The NRL can’t stand idle while the AFL takes America

Running to break the line is happening all the time ..every minute of the game. Again, varied varied and running options is why the play flows…and I guess also the field is larger as well which opens things up.

The NRL can’t stand idle while the AFL takes America

Maybe.. but it also flows because the ball carrier has 360 degree options long and short, and can also choose to run to break the line. Plenty of options keeps the ball moving to advantage, and the patterns of play have less predictability. What does a ball carrier in RL typically do for the first three or
four tackles? Anyway each to their own … the point I made was that AFL/VFL has always been a massive crowd puller … it has been for many decades right across the country in every state. There is more to the AFL’s success than good management – the game itself is the driver of its popularity.

The NRL can’t stand idle while the AFL takes America

AFLW quality does get questions by the media…and overall I think most agree that the average quality of women’s game has improved every season (and don’t use scoring as a proxy for quality). To my eye, and the eye of many others, the quality of games is improving and is enjoyable to watch. I don’t take my queue from the media- if I didn’t like I wouldn’t tune in but I do. AFLW isn’t for everyone – some hate it so fair enough.

The NRL can’t stand idle while the AFL takes America

The only thing is money and astute management?…that old chestnut… what Australian Rules does have is an exciting and unique game, one that draws very impressive live crowds…. adjusted for population, it’s right up there with any football competition on the planet as a proven crowd puller. And it’s appeal as a live spectacle has nothing to do with money or management – it is the game itself which flows, is unpredictable and has spectacular unique skills like marking. It’s the game itself that is the main driver of its success – you can’t explain it away as a mediocre game that is well managed (which is what so many in RL circles seem to attempt to do).

The NRL can’t stand idle while the AFL takes America

It is that really your best shot? In the bubble you seem intent on staying… good for you. I must say I’m a little disappointed in that pathetic little Pascal’s wager nonsense you’ve used as a closer… the problem of course (lost on people like you, who make comments like that) is that we all only ever walk to the crease once,.. people like you waste this precious opportunity looking up into the stands, or to the sky, imagining that there is another game going on outside the field of play and in fact there isn’t… this life is the game, and you’re at the crease right now whether you accept that or not. If you want to spend your one and only time at the crease distracted and daydreaming of a better life, a future life… well then good for you. It seems a terrible waste but that’s your prerogative… you can waste your one-in-14 billion year innings gazing off to the stands if that’s what you want to do. Good for you I guess but don’t expect people like me to join you…and it is genuinely a shame you haven’t done some basic reading in this area and so readily expose your ignorance. Anyway good luck… natural selection as a concept isn’t intuitive which is why it took to the mid 1800s for someone to uncover it.. it actually does makes logical sense when you follow the mechanisms as claimed, and it is supported many many seperate lines of evidence..all I can say is research it (properly) to debunk it. And finally, I’m not even sure what ‘evolving’ or ‘decaying’ genes pools is supposed to mean – more apologist talking points no doubt. Seriously grab a few books and spend a week or so educating yourself. Good luck.

Israel Folau and the governing bodies who are powerless to govern

Mate, with respect ..that 747 line demonstrates you’ve done precisely zero genuine reading on this topic..my guess is that at best you may have watched a few YouTube videos, or possibly perused and swallowed whole a few talking points from a Christian young earth apologist. And Catholics are the largest Christian sect, and the Vatican has formally accepted evolution by natural selection as fact – you just can’t imagine you own reality on these two basic facts. And by the way from your response it seems that you do not appreciate that evolution as we understand it at present has nothin definitive to say about ‘creation’ or the origin of life, and no version of evolution has claimed to solve this riddle for that matter. So Catholics can believe that God created life, and that evolution by natural selection operates. These are not irreconcilable positions to be holding. Anyway In the end your ignorance in this area is your loss not mine… you’re welcome to it. Close your eyes, block your ears and stay in that bubble. Enjoy. …On the extremely remote chance you do want to open your mind and consider ideas you may not currently understand or agree with you could try ‘The Ancestor’s Tale’..’The Greatest Show on Earth: Evidence for Evolution’… if nothing else by reading these bookS, or others like them, you will understand what all us deluded evolutionists ‘believe’, and why we ‘believe’ it. To be quoting the 747 line tells me you haven’t got the slightest understanding about how evolution is claimed to be working – in the end you may not agree with evolution but at least you won’t be quoting tired old nonsense like the childish 747 line… you’ll actually know what you’re disagreeing with, if you still disagree… or it could be that you consider the possibility that you’re wrong, and like the Catholics you may come to the view that evolution and God both exist in this world. Good luck.

Israel Folau and the governing bodies who are powerless to govern

DP … honestly put down the keyboard for a few days and go and read a few reputable books explaining evolution. You genuinely are missing out on one of the great advancements in our understanding of the world… and even the largest Christian sect on the planet (Catholicism) accepts evolution by natural selection as a fact. You are are demonstrating your ignorance… and by the way nobody ‘believes’ evolution – it is the best explanation we have based on the evidence we have (and there is tons of evidence from multiple different fields all pointing in the same direction). Seriously take the time to read a few books and learn more about what is accepted even by the Catholics who don’t seem to be threatened by it (any more)…. evolution by natural selection is backed by mountains of evidence from different fields of science.. and what is your alternative explanation I wonder? A magical garden in which animals just magically popped into existence, including talking snakes?…thanks but If you don’t mind I’ll stick to the best explanations we have developed, not something dreamt up by goat herders and scratched onto parchment 4000 years ago.

Israel Folau and the governing bodies who are powerless to govern

The result was that the Romans committed yet another insurgent to death… a very commonplace and ho-hum outcome. And as for screaming for his death.. well even if that is true (and I’m glad you have reliable testimony by the way) then so what… so what that some people wanted him dead and dobbed him in to the authorities… again, very likely this was not that unusual. You’re importing a uniqueness that just isn’t there. An unfortunate but very ordinary death in the scheme of things.

Israel Folau and the governing bodies who are powerless to govern

You got that right… I wouldn’t sacrifice my son for anything… and I wouldn’t stand by and watch any person sacrifice their son for any reason for that matter… and if we had been present at that time we would be trying to stop the state putting anyone to death (as people do today all over the world). It’s an odd thing that you venerate such cruelty.

Israel Folau and the governing bodies who are powerless to govern

The death penalty isn’t something I support…and as for the unfortunate souls denied heaven in Islam – yes apparently they have the same grisly fate. In Judaism I’m not sure – I’m not sure what particular fiction they believe in. In any event it’s all make believe anyway – gays have nothing to worry about… there is no eye in the sky keeping score, and there are no eternal rewards or punishments.

Israel Folau and the governing bodies who are powerless to govern

Being thrown off a seven storey building is pretty bad…but it does pale in comparison to being tossed into an eternal lake of fire. Some perspective please.

Israel Folau and the governing bodies who are powerless to govern

Mate your God, the one you worship, apparently plans on doing far worse than killing gays… he wants to barbecue them in flames for an eternity. So I’d worry less about what you claim Muslims are doing to gays, and worry a lot more about what your God has in plan for them.

Israel Folau and the governing bodies who are powerless to govern