Kangaroos v Fiji: DCE is the answer, but what is the question?

By Mike Meehall Wood / Editor

South Africa won the Rugby Union World Cup, beating England in the final. Jorge Masvidal defeated Nate Diaz for the short-lived, slightly farcical ‘BMF’ belt at UFC 244 with Donald Trump watching on. Lizzo’s Truth Hurts topped the Billboard charts.

All these things happened on November 2, 2019, the last day that the Australian rugby league football team played a match. They lost that day, to Tonga, if you recall.

It all feels like a long time ago, largely because it is, but that hasn’t stopped Kangaroos coach Mal Meninga from talking a lot about incumbency. For reference, at that point, Joseph Suaalii had just turned 16.

The point here is that who wore the jersey last doesn’t matter much when you don’t play for years – and they lost last time anyway – but that hasn’t stopped Meninga from picking Daly Cherry-Evans in the halfback role for the tournament opener against Fiji on Saturday night in Leeds.

The official reasoning is that Cleary is being rested after the NRL Grand Final, though given that he has played just three games in 79 days – DCE has played six in the same time frame – that doesn’t make a whole heap of sense.

Australia also made a laughing stock of themselves internationally by changing the whole concept of squad numbers to avoid a news story about this, so logic is well and truly out of the window here anyway.

Were I Mal Meninga, however, I’m not sure what I would learn about my halfback from a performance against Fiji. To date, Cherry-Evans has played 332 senior competitive games for club, state and country, so it’s fairly clear what he offers.

Similarly, Nathan Cleary has played very recent games to a very high level, so it’s obvious what he does too. What you might learn from throwing Cleary in for a Kangaroos debut against Italy or Scotland – the worst two teams, talent wise at least, he will have ever faced at senior level – I also don’t understand.

The upshot is that DCE will get the first go at the halfback role, and must take the opportunity with both hands. But even if he scores a hat trick, lays on ten tries and kicks a drop goal with a backheel, will it actually make a difference come a semi-final against New Zealand?

Combinations and rotations

The other major issue that Australia hope to resolve is not so much about who plays, but who plays where and when.

The pack has Tino Fa’asuamaleaui and Jake Trbojevic in the front row, Jeremiah Nanai and Angus Crichton get the backrow slots, with Cameron Murray at lock and Pat Carrigan and Reuben Cotter as middle rotations.

If you’re counting, that’s five locks and two second rowers. We could split hairs here, but Tino has played 13 more than any other position, as has Jurbo, as has Cam Murray and Pat Carrigan. Only Reuben Cotter has more games in the front row than back of the scrum, but you’d be hard-pressed to argue that he’s a proper prop.

If you buy Mal’s line about rotation then Reagan Campbell-Gillard, an actual prop, needs to be rested and Lindsay Collins, who is lucky to be anywhere near a rep jersey at all, has been overlooked.

But it does seem a strange way to approach a fixture where you might need to learn something about your team, because it won’t really tell you anything.

Cam Murray makes sense because if the Kangaroos want to play with a ball-playing lock, he’s good at that, though you would think Isaah Yeo would do it in the important games and, to my mind, you play players in the position you want them to play when you need them most.

Murray can fill the role capably, but surely you get used to using him on an edge now, especially when you have lots of other 13s available. Clearly, Mal doesn’t think the result is in doubt – if he did he’d pick all his Panthers – so build the combinations where they are actually going to be.

The other two bench options – Grant and Jack Wighton, a back – suggest that Meninga will rotate the pack within itself, probably with Nanai and Crichton playing 80 minutes and Cotter and Carrigan as front-row options.

In a meaningful game, you might worry about the size of that pack. James Fisher-Harris, Nelson Asofa-Solomona, Joseph Tapine and Moses Leota would certainly be happy to see them.

The Hunt-Grant dynamic worked a treat for Queensland and there’s not really any argument to be had there. It’s possible that we could see Jake Trbojevic play bulk minutes in a variety of positions, tackling superbly and trundling ineffectively, as is his wont.

The question of purpose remains, however. If this is an attempt to win and win well, then it’s not the best team Australia could have picked. If this is an attempt to build combinations and cohesion for more challenging matches, it’s not that either. It’s all very confusing.

(Photo by Mark Kolbe/Getty Images)

What can Fiji do?

There’s two sides to every story. The Fijians were thrashed last week by England but this is a better lineup and they certainly can threaten Australia, at least for a bit.

They’ll be bigger than the Kangaroos, with Viliame Kikau and Tui Kamikamica physically imposing, but you suspect that they will struggle in playmaking and consistency across 80 minutes.

Outwith the big names, the UK-based pair of Ben Nakubuwai and King Vuniyayawa are both north of 105kg and will not take a backward step.

Most teams would try to fight size with size, but Australia seemingly value mobility above heft, and there might be sense in that. Move the ball, tire them out, let the class shine through.

Fiji have met Australia at every World Cup in which they have featured, and the current scoreline is 336-16.

They’ve scored just three tries, meaning that the highest-scoring Fijian in Fiji v Australia matches is actually Jarryd Hayne, who scored a hat trick for the Kangaroos in the 2013 semi-final.

It’s one of the more curious records in international footy, because Fiji have made the semis on three consecutive occasions, but have never so much as got close to Australia. Tomorrow in Leeds offers them a chance to right that wrong.

The Crowd Says:

2022-10-16T10:38:30+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


Certainly a day for a reality check. Milf was just terrible as well. I still say Seibold coached the footy or off him.

2022-10-16T10:26:56+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


No but it is a place to start as it reflects their involvement beyond opinion. "Ceiling" is the most appropriate word. Johns and JT talking about Cleary being above where they were at the same age is probably right and, in all likelihood, hasn't reached his (or theirs) yet. However, we are talking about selection for WC22. Even John's had to bide his time behind Simon, Toovey and Alfie because of their experience and none of them will be immortalised.

2022-10-16T07:11:51+00:00

Rellum

Roar Guru


Joey himself said it took him a while. Nice you can cheery pick his comments to fit your narrative. Maybe lay off the drink mate

2022-10-16T06:52:30+00:00

matth

Roar Guru


I think Cleary’s kicking game gets it for him, but like others I have a minor fear for how clearly he can see the game and problem solve when his forwards are not dominating. I’ll be happy with either to be honest.

2022-10-16T06:46:30+00:00

matth

Roar Guru


Didn’t really work for Samoa this morning either. It was a really bad day for Panthers players today.

2022-10-16T05:27:07+00:00

souvalis

Roar Rookie


I really don't think these legendary half backs have evaluated him using the stat sheet as a yardstick, do you ? Who has the most tackles, who has the most kick meters pales really when we talk ceiling of the best players in the game. Daley's not in that conversation, never has been . Right now it really seems the legends think Nathan's is the highest and rising. Looks about right to me.

2022-10-16T04:47:10+00:00

souvalis

Roar Rookie


JT debuted for Qld the same year he debuted for the Cowboys and Australia a year later. Similar rep path was followed by Joey and Cooper, didn't take them long at all. The 'seems he has already got the best out of himself' for a 24 year old in just 5 1/2 seasons of NRL doesn't sound a sober comment to be frank.. the best halfs in the game developed into greatness but Cleary nah, really ?

2022-10-16T04:27:17+00:00

souvalis

Roar Rookie


If Cleary was 7 at Manly during the firestorm of those last 7 losses he and Luai would be bent over and taking the full brunt of it from most and sundry. Cherry as club captain, we haven't heard even the feintest whisper of discontent regarding dereliction of duty .. anywhere.

2022-10-16T00:54:10+00:00

JennyFromPenny

Guest


Critical analysis is lost once you include personal body shaming taunts.

2022-10-16T00:36:27+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


Both NRL and Fox have him playing 17. Finals count as games played this season. There are 5 games differences so I went to comparing both stats and averages. On Fox, go and compare their 2021 stats where their games played and table position were much closer, DCE stretches the point further. I agree a bout his bombs, no question. Does he tackle harder? Yep sure, but still Cleary makes less and misses more on average. My point is for their relative table position and all the talk about how superior Cleary is, it is really only supported by those bombs. As said to Rellum, the biggest advantage he has now is his age and how much better he will get, not so much where he is now (IMO).

2022-10-16T00:03:50+00:00

souvalis

Roar Rookie


I quoted regular season which is actually 13 games plus the 17 mins (5 tackles) in the Parra send off. If you look at the tackle count piecemeal, you’ll see Cherry had 2 games of 30 then averaging around 22 to 23, same as Nathan. Even so, how many you make is virtually a product of how many attackers run into your zone. It’s more about the hurt in the tackle. Cleary tackles with the venom of Joey, Cherry is never going to physically intimidate anyone. It’s a very desirable quality in any player especially in the most vulnerable position on the field. It’s the same with Cherry’s attacking kicks, Nath gets more movement in the air than Shane Warne, it’s a frightening skill to have, and his online grubbers like Shane, he can land on a sixpence. Cherry is a very polished player but Nathan skills are at a different level. You won’t find quality ranking of execution on a stat sheet.

2022-10-15T23:53:56+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


He has multiple going at all times. That's just on this site, imagine how many different profiles over al the various blogs and social media sites the sad sack trolls. He probably doesn't know his own name anymore.

2022-10-15T23:31:37+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


I certainly rate Cleary above most but more along side the likes of Hughes, DCE, Hunt & Reyno as far as game management goes. Cleary's advantage is being rated up there at his age. Agree though, he is a part of a very good machine. Swap Cleary for DCE this year and I don't their their team's relative table position changes too much.

2022-10-15T23:04:29+00:00

Rellum

Roar Guru


Cleary is part of a defensive juggernaut. DCE is not. It can come down to communication. I do not rate Cleary nearly as high as others do as to me he is part of a machine, a cog. DCE at times has to do it himself and a lot of times has failed. Neither of them are greats yet in my eyes. DCE probably never will be, going down as very good NRL/Rep player. (which in reality is one of the best to ever do it but he has several ahead of him for that title.)

2022-10-15T23:01:58+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


17 games he played. I doubt Cleary is making another 165 tackles in 5 games and DCEs defensive averages are better. Coming back to your last point, aside from his bombs, is Cleary significantly better than DCE?

2022-10-15T23:00:49+00:00

Rellum

Roar Guru


To be more specific, those guys are talking about how he has achieved so much more than they did at the same age. Well this is where growing up at a different time makes a difference. It clearly took a while for Joey and JT to find out how to get the most out of themselves. Cleary does have an extreme work ethic it seems so there is every chance he has already got the most out of himself. We shall see

2022-10-15T22:57:08+00:00

Rellum

Roar Guru


Yeah, because guys in that generation love big noting themselves

2022-10-15T10:50:01+00:00

Mutley

Roar Rookie


Rugby league will be the real winner on the day!

2022-10-15T10:19:56+00:00

vonManstein

Roar Rookie


I've no qualms at all with DCE getting the nod ahead of Clearly. His experience and tactical nous will be invaluable to this Roos team. 3 chins will without doubt get his chance at some point, and hopefully he grabs it, instead of just grasping at it. He's not proven fully capable of doing that yet.

2022-10-15T10:16:49+00:00

souvalis

Roar Rookie


These stats 22 games v 14 games ?

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