Love rugby league but hate England? Then seeing them lift World Cup trophy will be a win

By Joe Frost / Editor

One of my all-time favourite rugby league memories is the 1995 World Cup final.

I slept on the floor in my brother’s room, we woke up in the early hours and watched the game on our tiny box of a TV with the volume down so as not to wake our younger siblings, bunny ears providing static-filled pictures transmitted to us from the other side of the world.

The Kangaroos beat England 16-8, with Andrew Johns man of the match, so the whole thing was a big win for a couple of young Knights supporters.

But there was also something special about beating the English.

They had pipped the Aussies in the pool matches and had a gun side, featuring the likes of Jason Robinson, Martin Offiah, Denis Betts and Andy Farrell, so there was value in the win based purely on the quality of opposition.

But I also knew – I suspect simply innately, as most young Australians do – that beating England matters.

Always has, always will.

However, while beating the English never gets old (just ask the French, those two have been at it for millennia), it means more if you’re getting one back on them, rather than just belting them for the millionth time.

The classic example is, of course, the 2005 Ashes, which England claimed in spectacular fashion, ending an Australian dominance of cricket’s greatest rivalry that had dated back unbroken since the 1980s.

Andrew Flintoff (right) of England consoles Brett Lee (Photo by Tom Jenkins/Getty Images).

A heartbreaking loss for us though it was, and though Australia trounced the English 5-0 a little over a year later, it breathed new life into a concept that was growing stale.

Like international rugby league.

There is no question that the emergence of Tonga as a legitimate player on the global stage is fantastic and it was somewhat devastating that Samoa were shown up in their very first game as pretenders at this tournament, such had been the hopes for what is a stacked side.

But perhaps we should focus on the positives of England being so dominant against a team that plenty of decent judges had as dark horses to lift the Paul Barrière Trophy, smashing the Samoans 60-6.

It was a statement game from the hosts, putting to rest any concerns that they would struggle to make the knockout stages of the World Cup. Not for nothing, it also came on the heels of a warm-up match in which they dismantled Fiji 50-0.

England are here to play, is the takeaway.

And England re-establishing themselves on the world stage is the key, in the short term at least, to making international rugby league great again.

Because while they may not be household names here in Australia, the English boast quality across the park, and a depth of talent of which Tonga, Samoa and Papua New Guinea can only dream.

Martin Taupau leads the Samoan team’s war dance. (Photo by Mark Kolbe/Getty Images)

Debates over whether the Pacific nations should be considered Tier 1 can be put to bed for now by the simple fact their talent pools are nowhere near the depth of Australia, New Zealand and England.

Tonga were great in the 2017 tournament, but will they be great in 2029? Maybe not. By comparison, England were runners-up at the last World Cup – going down to the Aussies in the final by just 6-0 – and you’d say they’ll be there or thereabouts in ’29.

But thereabouts doesn’t get a country keen on an entire sport again. England need to get to there.

There is nothing worse than a strutting, arrogant Pom, obnoxiously singing, “En-ga-lernd! En-ga-lernd!”

(Credit where credit is due, the English also have a long, rich tradition of singing from start to finish at sporting events that creates an electric atmosphere.)

Therefore, there is nothing better than beating a strutting, arrogant Pom, forcing them to shut up by that most glorious, silent gesture – pointing to the scoreboard.

But a team that hasn’t won anything is nothing to strut about, so the English have generally been respectful and humble in rugby league, which is all but impossible to hate.

And it’s been that way for decades – certainly my lifetime. Even that ’95 win was over a team that may have beaten us in the pool match, but hadn’t won a World Cup since the ‘70s.

Robust, consistent teams out of the Pacific are key to rugby league’s long-term future. But right now, England being a success is better for the game.

Being World Champions – preferably by having beaten a cocky Aussie side in the final – will change rugby league in the Old Dart, seeing old fans return in droves and bringing new ones along for the ride.

It’s not just a blip either, because it gives them three years with the title of World Champions (this, technically, being the 2021 World Cup).

That’s three years of strutting, singing arrogance. Three years where, even if they lose every international they play, they can still lay claim to being the champs.

And this would be happening in the country where the game began – so rather than using it to establish a presence, three years properly harnessed could help set them up for ongoing competitiveness that their compatriots in the cricketing world have established over the last two decades.

England winning the World Cup could – would – change the game for the better overnight.

In a game built on hate, while I’m sure there is plenty of animosity towards the Aussies, there is really no one that makes a Kangaroo’s blood boil.

Tonga, Samoa, PNG – even New Zealand – have our respect and even admiration.

England, I guess, have our pity. And that sucks.

An old Aussie bowler – I’m pretty sure it was Jeff Thomson but I can’t find the exact quote – once said something along the lines of, “I used to get up an hour early during the Ashes just to hate England for a little longer.”

When it comes to rugby league, I can relate to getting up early, but hating England? They’ve not been good enough to earn that level of sporting respect.

But put them on the dais at Old Trafford in November, as 60,000 Pommy fans roar and sing and generally rub our nose in it? I’m mad just thinking about it.

And how good would that be?

The Crowd Says:

2022-10-19T09:20:37+00:00

egbert

Guest


It's not bias, you f00l, it's well-grounded, valid problems with the ethics of the man and his empire, his propping up hard-right governments and his domination of the media landscape in several countries.

2022-10-18T18:50:58+00:00

JennyFromPenny

Guest


Ironic Freudian slip with the name, given you know how to spell the word.

2022-10-18T16:44:01+00:00

JennyFromPenny

Guest


Not sure how that would succeed at all. Are the commercial channels somehow privy to Foxtel/Kayo's subscription numbers ? Seven and Nine would need the help of the Optus hacker to be any the wiser. October would seem to have done it's share of heads in. It's clearly a case of Abdo and V'landys not caring nearly enough about the ARL, about showcasing the game on the world stage, whilst simultaneously myopically challenging themselves to expand the National game within the coming days, to a club that will see their current best fieldable team, 100% replaced by players from somewhere else. Expanding to a spot just a little North of Brisbane, who have shown themselves, they don't have anywhere near enough players to support their own one-team Capital City, nor to support transplant kings, neighbouring Gold Coast, and now ongoingly be a nursery for all three. Wishing them well with that. Currently not even wanting to acknowledge suburban Redcliffe, as if suburban teams can't be successful, even though they both shook all the players hands a fortnight ago, handing them back their own trophy. A smidge ironic for Penrith to now play feeder-club for the Nation.

2022-10-18T06:19:36+00:00

Brett Allen

Guest


They lack depth in playmakers, having lost Jonny Lomax, they would be in deep do do if they lost Welsby or Williams, neither of whom are a genuine game manager anyway. Australia can call on Cleary, Munster, DCE, Hunt from the current squad, with Moses, Keary, Townsend & Hynes in reserve, even NZ can call on Hughes, Brown, Foran, Johnson & Harris-Tevita.

2022-10-18T06:12:50+00:00

Brett Allen

Guest


Well if maybe more of you put aside your preposterous anti-Murdoch bias and got a one month Kayo prescription for the WC, free to air networks might show sone interest in showing the games because of the higher ratings.

2022-10-18T05:19:05+00:00

DavMan

Roar Rookie


Yeah, I am a bit sick of hearing the word "hate" in reference to rugby league.

2022-10-18T05:01:42+00:00

Lee Smith

Guest


Always nice to read a headline about hating an entire country. Love the generalisations....

2022-10-18T04:17:59+00:00

Adam

Roar Guru


You'd be fun at parties!

2022-10-18T03:21:00+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


As someone who regularly watches and enjoys the English game I was amazed at the slagging they were getting pre tournament. Quite a few of those have played NRL and achieved a good level of success over here. I made the comment that I thought they would beat the Qld team. One thing Aust scribes suffer from is out of sight, out of mind syndrome. There is definitely talent in the PI sides but England have the spine to support their pack and backs where most don’t. That said, Aust have a task in getting past NZ first. Whether the Poms face Aust or NZ, it will be a very competitive game which I would hope for. However, I would never hope for a Pommy win under any circumstances.

2022-10-18T02:53:20+00:00

The Set Peace

Roar Rookie


Not a amssive League fan but i am enjoying our dominance in the cup so far. And man i really hope we smash the arrogant Aussies into a million pieces at Old trafford in november. I hate Australia

2022-10-18T02:51:42+00:00

Redcap

Roar Guru


Maybe Regan Grace from Wales, possibly Aitken from Scotland. England already picked Jamaica's best potential player (Dom Young)

2022-10-18T02:40:24+00:00

Sammy

Guest


It would be interesting to see what a combined Great Britain Rugby League Team (The Lions) would look like today whether any players from the current Scottish, Welsh and Jamaican World Cup teams would be selected ahead of the English players.

2022-10-18T02:20:24+00:00

Republican

Guest


Mother Albion- inventors of the Rugbies will be there at the feeble finish but I reckon the Kiwis have it in the bag. Australia will typically suffer from hubris with a mediocre offering at the pointy end of the comp.

2022-10-17T23:21:56+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


That's the direction this tournament has been subtly guided towards !

2022-10-17T22:52:33+00:00

Big Daddy

Roar Rookie


Joe, can you tell us what the crowds were at the other non england matches as I just saw an article on the internet saying ticket prices were quite high which affected attendances . I suppose the best result is a England v Australia final to ensure a big attendance.

2022-10-17T22:36:48+00:00

egbert

Guest


One of the most important things you mention here is in those first couple of paragraphs - I have memories of watching in the middle of the night in similar circumstances, thanks to the games being free to air, which it isn't now. For reasons of money or conscience (ie, anti-Murdoch), many of us don't have Foxtel/Kayo, therefore a generation of young people is missing out on that magical experience of watching the games.

2022-10-17T22:35:28+00:00

souvalis

Roar Rookie


I'm staying in my chair about England's chances till after the Pool stage. Samoa gave a darker meaning to 'effortless' and deserve every kick in the face commentators are barraging them with. Vossy wants them sent home..... do it. And no, I didn't back them.

AUTHOR

2022-10-17T22:09:08+00:00

Joe Frost

Editor


Yeah, I think it was probably a bit much of me to say the 'English' won a World Cup, given their title win in the '70s was as Great Britain.

2022-10-17T21:31:02+00:00

Dutski

Roar Guru


Very magnanimous Joe. A competitive England is good. Not sure I’d be pleased for them to win though. Call me shallow but any country that can fall back on ganging up with its mates as the British Lions doesn’t deserve too much sympathy.

2022-10-17T21:22:47+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


You should never say never in competitive sport like Rugby League. And the English have been granted the "host's draw" that should see them safely through to the WC Final. We know the English will always put in 100% and will test the boundaries of the officialdom. But surely the Australians should have too many guns for England in the final , that is assuming the Aussies can get past the Kiwis in the semi final, which may be a tougher task ?

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