Rugby News: Schoolboy error blamed for Eddie's England demise, Kiwis to break with tradition on ABs coach

By The Roar / Editor

The fallout from Eddie Jones’ England sacking continues to dominate rugby news across the world with speculation rife on his next destination and details emerging on why the seismic decision was made.

On Thursday, the UK Telegraph, linked the Jones dismissal to his recent comments bashing English rugby’s reliance on the private school system.

Jones had told a reporter that England should “blow the whole thing up” in regards to their school ties – but the Telegraph says that blew up in his own face.

“When you take a sledgehammer to the foundations of a sport, then it may not be a surprise when you encounter quite some resistance, with that attack on public schools the most notable of all,” the Telegraph reported.

Jones was quite direct in his initial interview in August, telling the i newspaper that modern players “work hard but they only know what they know.

“If you have only been in a system where you get to 15, you have a bit of rugby ability and then go to Harrow, then for two years you do nothing but play rugby, everything’s done for you. You have this closeted life.

“When things go to crap on the field, who’s going to lead, because these blokes have never had experience of it? I see it as a big thing.

“When we are on the front foot we are the best in the world. When we are not, our ability to find a way to win, our resolve, is not as it should be.”

Jones was lauded in some areas for his rallying cry to widen the net for less privileged players in the English game.

“But the vehicle he chose to make that statement – attacking private schools – was palpably wrong.” wrote the Telegraph.

“If anything, Jones should have been lauding how valuable those institutions have been in developing generations of English talent, rather than laying into them.

“But what was perhaps most striking was the gusto with which Jones, unprompted, zeroed in on his target.”

Where next for Eddie?

As reported by The Roar on Wednesday there is an appetite within Rugby Australia to have Jones return to the Wallabies – perhaps even before the World Cup.

On Thursday CEO Andy Marinos told the Sydney Morning Herald that Rennie “is contracted through to the World Cup and will be the coach, and that’s our position going forward.”

It echoes a similar statement from chairman Hamish McLennan ahead of the Bledisloe Cup match in Melbourne – and yet the stories linger.

One scenario raised has been Jones returning to Australia in a Director of Rugby role, but few who have an insight into Rennie’s character think the Kiwi would find that a palatable situation, and could force his hand. Rennie has said he wanted his future decided before the World Cup.

Former Wallaby Simon Poidevin – who spent some time with his fellow Randwick alumni on England’s July tour – is pushing for his friend’s return in some capacity

“I think RA have made it clear they respect Dave Rennie taking the team through to the 2023 World Cup,” Poidevin told the SMH.

Wallabies head coach Dave Rennie. (Photo by Phil Walter/Getty Images)

“That doesn’t stop a guy of Eddie’s experience, like he did [at the 2007 World Cup] with South Africa, coming in to provide his expertise. He helped the Springboks get that victory. That’s an option which Rugby Australia should be thinking about with Eddie.

“His most valuable input would be a sounding board for Dave Rennie and his relatively young coaching staff. He’s been through it all. He knows the challenges of knockout tournaments. In France it’s going to be highly intense given the number of quality teams around the world now.”

Jones meanwhile has reportedly had offers to coach Georgia, who are in Australia’s pool at the World Cup, and has been linked with the United States.

Marinos meanwhile released details of the review into the Wallabies’ injury-hit season.

The main review will be conducted by former Olympic rower Bo Hansen, who runs a leading consultancy in sports high performance. Hansen helped review the Wallabies’ 2019 season and Rugby World Cup campaign.

Another review, into the Wallabies’ injury toll, will be conducted by former World Rugby chief medical officer Dr Martin Raftery and high-performance consultant Glenn Stewart.

Leicester’s compo bid for Borthwick

Leicester head coach Steve Borthwick is set to replace Jones at the England helm, but it will cost the RFU a bomb.

The Telegraph reports that Leicester Tigers will demand £2 million ($A3.6m) in compensation from the RFU for the wholesale recruitment of their coaches.

Leicester will not stand in the way of Borthwick but there are suggestions they are unhappy at the prospect of losing his assistants – Kevin Sinfield, the defence coach, and Aled Walters, the strength and conditioning coach – as well.

The RFU is already set to make a payoff of £1 million to Jones and his assistants were also all under contract.

New Zealand to bring coaching call forward

NZR chief executive Mark Robinson reacted to the Jones and Wayne Pivac sackings by acknowledging the Kiwis can’t delay on sorting out their situation post-World Cup.

He was asked if they would need to break with tradition and could no longer leave it until after a World Cup cycle to select the All Blacks’ next coach.

“Yes that is fair to say. We acknowledge the environment and that it’s changing quickly. It’s part of the deliberation we’re going through. Recognising that the past and the rationale for using previous ways of appointments, previous processes around appointments versus what’s happening in the international environment [now],” Robinson told reporters.

“The discussions we’re having with all our talent across the board would signify we acknowledge that as well. We’re keeping a close eye on what’s happening internationally.

“We feel a lot of sympathy for what’s happened in England and Wales…but at the same time for us that means we have to be aware of that means for our talent too and we’re keeping a close eye on it.”

“We are having a lot of discussions at the moment and we know there’s an awful lot going on at this moment, but we’re confident we’re having all the conversations we need to be having at this time.”

It is possible Ian Foster and the public will know who the next coach will be before Foster takes the team to the World Cup in September.

“There is no definite timeline at the moment,” Robinson said.

“We’ll communicate as soon as we’re ready and as soon as we think it’s the right thing to do so. When we are ready to articulate and communicate a timeline, if we think that’s appropriate, we will.”

The Crowd Says:

2022-12-15T23:56:58+00:00

Jacko

Roar Rookie


Yeah the introduction of TV some time in the near future may give NZ fans the chance to see other sports eh Numpty! Sports like cricket, Rowing, Yachting, Netball, motorsport etc. Cant wait to see how us NZers take to those sports once we are exposed to them. TV could still be a few years away tho !!! :laughing: :laughing:

2022-12-15T23:28:29+00:00

numpty

Roar Rookie


Whereas NZ find it easier to be good at rugby only... Makes it easier for fans, only have to follow the one sport. :silly:

2022-12-12T20:23:59+00:00

Tom G

Roar Rookie


Oh well , 3 out of 7 then, fair enough but bottom three in the last two. It still emphasises the point that since ‘19 the form slide in that competition is real. Eddie became so obsessed with the RWC he forgot that fans won’t tolerate mediocrity during the periods in between.

2022-12-12T10:44:12+00:00

Check-side for the boundary

Roar Rookie


I can't fault you but he probably did a bit better than we thought ? : "His seven-year tenure saw him claim three Six Nations, including a grand slam in 2016 ... "

2022-12-11T09:12:52+00:00

james

Guest


I think the points about the various school systems is yesterday's discussion. What parent of any school kid is going to let their child play rugby with the potential of brain damage that is now becoming apparent in older players? Yes, protocols have changed as the game tries to minimize the risk, but with the constant sh(tfight that is Union nowadays, I suspect many parents will simply put Union into the too-hard basket.

2022-12-11T01:17:02+00:00

Tooly

Roar Rookie


Someone should remind McLennan and Marinos of the old adage “ He who hesitates is lost “ . . There are only a few coaches worthy of consideration as our coach . Robbie Deans , Jake White , Eddie Jones and Scott Robertson. . Rennie’s numbers don’t add up , nor do his selections or his attention to the moral of players like Lolisio and Wilson . Moral is the key to confidence and confidence is the key to success . Instead we have Weismantle wanting players to be angry with him . That would be risky in the Jungle . Time to decide on Rennie now . It’s over . . Those who want Eddie have no memories . . Jake White has been canceled. . Robbie Deans has seen enough of RA . . That leaves Robertson . Someone is going to get the best coach out there ! Why not us ? Far better him taking us with him than inflicting another 10 years of pain on us with the ABs .

2022-12-10T23:23:27+00:00

Jacko

Roar Rookie


He brings attention thats for sure. One thing you cant fault Eddie on is his passion for rugby.

2022-12-10T23:22:03+00:00

Jacko

Roar Rookie


That would be a backward step.

2022-12-10T05:35:38+00:00

Tom G

Roar Rookie


Two out of seven.. not a great average particularly as he’s been at the tail end of the six in recent years and has had a far deeper talent pool than the other five

2022-12-10T05:25:45+00:00

Check-side for the boundary

Roar Rookie


Yes it was an outsider looking in .... With fresh eyes ... .

2022-12-10T05:24:49+00:00

Check-side for the boundary

Roar Rookie


Is that why he only won it twice ? .

2022-12-10T05:23:09+00:00

Check-side for the boundary

Roar Rookie


There's a theory goin round that he put in alot of groundwork for Links success ! Or are they very much mistaken ?? .

2022-12-09T11:40:57+00:00

Passit2me

Roar Rookie


I bet the Ella brothers and Time Lane relished those opportunities

2022-12-09T11:23:59+00:00

Passit2me

Roar Rookie


I find it fascinating Gary, that people still find the time to read and comment on articles about a sport that is apparently irrelevant in this country :shocked:

2022-12-09T11:13:17+00:00

Just Nuisance

Roar Rookie


Well Bobby based on recent reports coming out in South Africa , it looks like Australia may just have done that :shocked:

2022-12-09T10:40:55+00:00

Eric Willis

Roar Rookie


Oh! Eddie, How could you? Vitai Lampada But a Captain's hand on his shoulder smote -- Play up, Play up and Play the game. Sir Henry Newbolt

2022-12-09T08:47:09+00:00

Just Nuisance

Roar Rookie


Insights ? I would call it observations mostly based on others insights . Unlike you I do value EJs opinions around rugby . But he is and hasn't been a lone voice here . But I do have insights into the South African system and like say possibly Australia it mirrors that of English School rugby , namely that it's an elitist sport . Yes here too something like 85% of all Springboks come from about 20 schools . So the next question is , is this a structural problem ? Were it not for SA Government intervention through it's quota selection system would a Lukhanya Am , Lionel Mapimpi had got the breaks . A strong argument can be made that they would not have . Wrong schools . Were it not by a fortuitous default bursary awarded Siya Kolisi to the prestigious Grey High , would we ever have heard of him ? Well he thinks not . I have my doubts too . Young kids 16 and 17 years old are now professional rugby players in SA . Rugby is all they know . Is Jones wrong to query this ? Or does he just not know what he is talking about ..I'll leave that to you .

2022-12-09T02:33:49+00:00

Loz

Guest


:laughing:

2022-12-09T02:32:30+00:00

Loz

Guest


That was the point made by Lurker, Jacko. And they have lots of contracts to fill, and if you are a talented athlete, it’s the NRL, AFL etc then daylight, maybe then rugby. I agree. Rugby gets what’s left.

2022-12-09T01:37:07+00:00

El Gamba

Roar Guru


Thanks for the stats ojp and the point about club rugby being the only way whereas as I went to a private school come year 11 and 12 we’d be training twice a week at school, twice a week at club (you guessed right - up soaks! Haha), Friday we’d play for our school, Saturday we’d play club

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