'It was a big call': Junior Wallabies star opens up on decision to leave, hints about Aussie return

By Christy Doran / Editor

Isaac Lucas says he hasn’t “lost the desire” of one day earning a Wallabies jersey, with the 23-year-old strongly considering a return to Australian rugby ahead of the 2025 British and Irish Lions series.

The youngest of four brothers, each of whom played professional rugby, the Junior Wallabies star shocked the Australian rugby public and the Queensland Reds when he upped and left during the early stages of the COVID-19 pandemic.

At 21, his decision to leave the Reds rocked one of the traditional heartlands of Australian rugby.

Isaac Lucas says he is developing under Peter Hewat at Ricoh Black Rams in Tokyo but admits his decision to leave Australian rugby was a “big decision”. Photo: Kenta Harada/Getty Images

Once Japanese rugby was a region players would got to to cash-in at the end, but Lucas, along with rising star Harry Hockings, changed that perception almost overnight as they left for The Land of the Rising Sun in the infancy of their professional careers.

To some, their decisions were seen as financially motivated – an abandonment of the pathways and the system that had helped their progression to the professional game.

For Lucas, however, by moving to Ricoh Black Rams in Tokyo he could play with his brother while furthering his development at an ambitious Japanese side.

“Obviously coming over here – elephant in the room – it was a big call, but I’m still young,” Lucas told The Roar.

“I was 21 when I made the decision to come here.

“The big thing for me though was, yeah there’s been a lot said about Japanese rugby and that it was a place for older players to come and see out their careers, but I haven’t really seen that to be fair.

“Whether that’s got to do with the coaching group or the Japanese boys here, and now the competition, there’s some bloody good players starting to perform, and it’s been an environment where I genuinely feel that I’m getting better as a rugby player.

“Coming over here, my brother Matt was playing at and he let me know a lot about the club and what its plans are and the type of coaches and players coming in. Being able to hear that definitely made the decision a lot easier.”

Lucas’ departure was a bitter pill to swallow for Australian rugby.

With brilliant feet, a turn of pace and ball-playing ability, Lucas is Australia’s version of All Blacks star Damian McKenzie and is equally adept at fullback and fly-half.

But being the youngest of four, he’s harder than his blonde hair and slight stature shows.

A package of Mark Nawaqanitawase from Rugby Australia on the eve of the electric winger’s Wallabies debut in November was more a highlights reel of Lucas, as it showed the fullback carving up the under-20s World Cup.

Since leaving the Reds in 2020, many of his Junior Wallabies teammates including Fraser McReight, Harry Wilson, Angus Bell, Nick Frost, Lachlan Lonergan, Ben Donaldson and Nawaqanitawase have debuted for the senior side.

Rather than being bitter about watching his friends graduate into the Wallabies side, Lucas says he’s “excited” to see them continue to develop and more than happy with his own decision.

“Coming through with all these players, who are now even establishing themselves as Test players now, it’s exciting,” he said.

“I’m genuinely excited and happy for all of them because they deserve it and they’re playing good footy.

“It is a tough one because on the one hand you get a sense that, ‘Jeez that would be bloody good,’ but I’ve made the decision to come over here and I’m fully committed to that. I’m just ripping in and giving it my all.”

Lucas believes plying his trade in Japan has made him a better player.

Despite living 20 minutes away from the beating heart of Tokyo, Shibuya, Lucas says that without the distractions of friends and family, he has been able to focus on his craft.

“I do find over here you’ve got a lot more time to do the small things and the extras that come with rugby,” he said.

“I’m not saying that you don’t do it back home, but you’ve obviously got your family and friends back home and you get caught, whereas over here you can sort of pick your times. I feel you’ve got more time under your belt.”

Former Reds young gun Isaac Lucas says he is considering a return to Australian rugby and hasn’t lost the desire to play for the Wallabies. Photo: Bradley Kanaris/Getty Images

Without the financial riches and history of Suntory or Panasonic, Lucas is one of Ricoh’s biggest commodities.

It means he carries a weight of expectation, with only four foreigners on the field allowed at any one time and just three internationally capped players.

But it is something the young playmaker is enjoying.

“There’s a cap on the number of foreigners you can have in the team, so with that there comes an expectation of not only performance but what you do around the group,” he said.

“It is something that I enjoy, the expectation and the pressure. You’re over here for a reason not only to perform but to have a positive impact on the people around you and make your teammates better, especially at our club.

“Probably in the years gone past in Japan, some of the foreigners come over here and look to collect a pay cheque, but at our club, we’re not only wanting to perform but to have a positive impact on the Japanese players as well.”

Lucas is sharpening his craft under former Brumbies assistant and Waratahs star fullback Peter Hewat.

More recently, former Wallabies and Scotland assistant Matt Taylor has joined Ricoh.

He says the speed of the game has meant he has played more at fly-half than fullback.

“With the linespeed over here at 15, some games you might not get your hands on the ball much because of that linespeed, so I found [playing] 10 over here you had a bit more bearing on the game and you could really assert yourself and control it from that aspect,” he said.

“It’s a fast game over here. The breakdown isn’t as physical and they’re a lot quicker, which allows for some pretty fast footy and I obviously have a strength in that area of the game.”

Isaac Lucas in action for the Junior Wallabies against Italy on June 4, 2019 in Santa Fe, Argentina. Photo: Amilcar Orfali/Getty Images

Along with Hockings, Rugby Australia is watching Lucas’ next move very closely.

Both players are on the governing body’s radar, with the star duo off contact following next season.

Already a number of Australian franchises have reached out to the duo, with Lucas attracting attention from the Western Force.

While Lucas stressed that he was eager to continue to add to Ricoh’s program, he revealed that playing for the Wallabies remained a strong goal.

“I definitely haven’t lost that desire,” he said.

“I know it was a big call when I did make the decision to come over here, but at no time did I ever think I would be done there.

“I have thoroughly enjoyed my time over here and I do still think I’m developing, I’m getting better over here. With the coaches over here and the playing group, it’s still an environment where I can get better.

“I definitely haven’t lost that aspiration of a gold jersey. I know I’ve taken a different path by coming over here.

“In short, I still have been keeping in touch with what’s going on back home and speaking to players and coaches.

“I’ve been keeping a pulse but, at the same time, I’m not thinking too far ahead. I’ve got this season at the forefront of my mind.

Nor does Lucas believe he should be parachuted into any representative sides, particularly with a Lions series on the horizon.

Honest and committed, he wants to prove he belongs.

“There’s a lot of factors. I’ve got to get back and play some good rugby for whatever side I could end up,” he said.

“I still remember the Lions series when all the Australian Super Rugby sides … even seeing that Luke Morahan try pop up [on social media]. It was such a big year.

“Without getting too far ahead of it, because there’s obviously so many moving parts with it all, it’s a big couple of years coming up in that space.”

Talk of Lucas wanting to return to Australian rugby can only bode well.

For years Australian rugby has heard of stories about players leaving for overseas opportunities and financial gain, but now the ledger is starting to turn. That can only be a good thing.

The Crowd Says:

2023-01-10T18:27:09+00:00

Rob16a

Guest


Rugby is living in the past. When a young soccer player goes to further their short overseas we give them a pat on the back. When a rugby player does it we accuse them of disloyalty. Time to grow up.

2023-01-09T19:56:20+00:00

Rhys Bosley

Roar Pro


I don't follow enough junior rugby or league players to identify individuals, but it was Saint Eddie Jones who recently highlighted the need to stop the junior player drain to League, so I am happy to defer to him.

2023-01-09T05:52:12+00:00

Mungbean74

Roar Rookie


Coincidentally, they put Lucas on the bench yesterday, I’m guessing so they could use their selected 2 foreigners up front in the pack and use Lucas as a finisher. He came on around the 65th minute and immediately had a positive impact and they came back and won it in a close one.

2023-01-09T03:16:21+00:00

Muglair

Roar Rookie


They also need to be thinking about player development as well. TT needs time in Europe if he is going to achieve his potential. He also needs to lose weight and I would not be surprised if this is a significant source of friction with Thorn. I suspect Thor will be successful in Japan and a drawcard justifying the big money. I also suspect it might be the last we see of him.

2023-01-09T03:12:59+00:00

Jimmytheqlder

Guest


Should be a high priority

2023-01-09T00:41:55+00:00

Ray

Roar Rookie


I think he could have had a very good opportunity at the Brumbies this year with Tom Banks leaving and no clear back up to Lolesio cemented into the system. By next year that could have disappeared again if Tom Wright, Jack Debreczeni, Meredith, Caroll or Toole excelling this year and filling the role for the next 4 years or so.

2023-01-09T00:05:32+00:00

Ankle-tapped Waterboy

Roar Rookie


Our cat has jangles every time someone stands on his tail. [etymology: jandals is a brand name contraction of “Japanese sandals”]

2023-01-08T23:39:25+00:00

Warwick Todd

Guest


“ There are undoubtedly better prospects than him getting bought by League that the money should be spent on” OK, name two.

2023-01-08T11:55:08+00:00

Rhys Bosley

Roar Pro


I don’t think Lucas should ever be a Wallaby after what he did to the Reds, but if him leaving wasn’t about money and he wants back into Aussie rugby that badly, he could volunteer to come in on a rookie contract with the Force or the Rebels. That way he could show everybody that he is as good as he keeps telling us that he is and earn his spot. Far better players than him have come back on rookie money for the chance to play for the Wallabies, James O’Connor and Scott Higgenbotham for the Reds are prime examples, so I don’t see why this person should have the red carpet laid out for him with a good contract. There are undoubtedly better prospects than him getting bought by League that the money should be spent on, before it is spent on him.

2023-01-08T11:41:11+00:00

Rhys Bosley

Roar Pro


I suspect the “hype” is being generated to maintain a relationship with his agent, who is in turn would be a useful source due to being in a position to pass on information from his players in the dressing rooms of Australian rugby.

2023-01-08T10:17:36+00:00

Cec

Roar Rookie


There’s a rookie 10 too and that’s Carter’s bro Mason. M Gordon is AUS u20’s fly half. some years away to start though but on the Rebs roster at least.

2023-01-07T20:53:10+00:00

Muzzo

Roar Rookie


Are not Tonga & Samoa, Polynesian? Surely with that response you have no understanding!

2023-01-07T20:37:31+00:00

Don

Roar Rookie


with all Polynesian nations being as one, to an extent But does that apply with Tonga and Samoa?

2023-01-07T19:31:47+00:00

PeterK

Roar Guru


when Rodda came back BT was against him joining any oz team let alone the reds. https://www.rugbypass.com/news/brad-thorn-riled-by-rodda-return/ He clearly held a grudge in that case

2023-01-07T14:33:00+00:00

Mo

Guest


Pasitoa has to come back from a knee injury first and kuenzle and Hamish are playing 12 but I’d like to see the Hamish at 10 with bk at 12 to help play make. Hope pasitoa comes back ok. He could be a big 10 or a good 12.

2023-01-07T14:29:19+00:00

Mo

Guest


If I was Ricoh I’d have been introducing him to every awesome Japanese girl I could find. He’s old enough to start a family and put down roots.

2023-01-07T11:05:58+00:00

Trevor Robertson

Guest


Do we actually know that is true? Has Thorn ever said anything to that effect? Maybe it is - but I certainly can’t recall Thorn ever saying that. All he’s said is he wants people who want to be there. Whether they’d want him back at the possible expense of losing Lynagh may be a bigger issue. Can’t imagine they’d pay overs. I heard the paying group were dirty in them and would never have them back but even if that was true then I doubt it is now.

2023-01-07T10:52:41+00:00

Nobody

Roar Rookie


I have a feeling we’ll be seeing him in a few years wearing a red and white striped jersey….

2023-01-07T09:23:28+00:00

Muzzo

Roar Rookie


Yeh well cultural beliefs are a big part of Polynesia, with all Polynesian nations being as one, to an extent. Seeing you don’t appear to have little in the way of understanding that, I realise why you think that way.

2023-01-07T08:55:08+00:00

Jezdexter

Roar Rookie


OK, and with Hodge Rebels have some depth at 10 and 15. My concern for Lucas is that at Brumbies and Waratahs he wouldn't see any game time, Reds he would be excellent backup for then taking over from JoC but would he be able to play under Thorn? Force he could play 15 but probably wouldn't be a 10 so Rebels make the most sense in that he'd get the most opportunities to play. He's a talented guy, I'd rather see him on the field developing than in the stand watching.

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