Will Carlton really play finals in 2023?

By Michael Frawley / Roar Pro

If you told most fans that their team would have the Brownlow medallist and the Coleman medallist in the same year, they would likely be thinking that they are playing deep into September. They may even be in the grand final mix.

Carlton somehow managed to miss the top eight despite having Patrick Cripps and Charlie Curnow, the Brownlow and Coleman medalists, in 2022. What’s more, they had the 2021 Coleman medalist in Harry McKay too. McKay kicked 45 goals, meaning he was 14th in the Coleman, with Curnow kicking 64 goals.

Rounding it out, Sam Walsh finished 13th in the Brownlow. In Cripps, Walsh, Curnow, McKay and Jacob Weitering, one of the best key defenders in the AFL, Carlton arguably has five of the top 50 players in the competition. This does not even include Adam Saad, who was an All Australian last year.

The 2022 season gave Carlton fans a reason to enjoy AFL again. They had genuine stars to watch and a finals-quality team. Yet, as it so often happens for Carlton, it all fell apart.

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The reason for missing finals is something other than top-end talent. There were several possible factors.

One is injuries. Zac Williams, Mitch McGovern, George Hewett, Matthew Kennedy, Jack Martin, Caleb Marchbank and almost every defender spent time off the field. The only players who played all 22 games were Charlie Curnow, who was previously prone to injury; Sam Docherty, whose comeback is more remarkable the more you think about it; and Zac Fisher. The constant disruption would have affected team cohesion.

Luck also played a role. Carlton needed one win in the last two weeks against Melbourne and Collingwood. It was in winning positions late in both matches but could not close out either game. Close matches are likely more determined by luck than skill. Were the Blues just unlucky?

Culture must also come under the microscope. Carlton has been down the bottom end of the ladder for a long time. Blues players are not used to big moments like some other teams are. Patrick Cripps has not played a final. Perhaps they needed the experience of 2022 to get a feel for it and slowly change the culture.

There are questions surrounding the role players too. Are Carlton’s players outside of the big five good enough? Carlton played more like a team in 2022 than they did in previous years, but are they still a way off the best when it comes to depth players? Jack Silvagni, Matt Cottrell, Lochie O’Brien, Corey Durdin and Matt Owies all provide run and/or defensive pressure.

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Many AFL observers are saying Carlton will make the eight in 2023. The talent is obvious to see. But as Carlton fans know, success is never guaranteed. Looking at previous years, there have been a number of teams that finished with similar percentages to Carlton’s 108.3. Not all of them have kicked on.

In 2021, Essendon won 11, lost 11, had a percentage of 109.1 and finished eighth. They rose unexpectedly in 2021 and some said they were fortunate to fall into the top eight. Everything that went right in 2021 fell apart in 2022, culminating in the removal of Ben Rutten as coach. Carlton’s brand of football is more contested than Essendon’s and arguably has more star power.

Could what happened to Essendon in 2022 happen to Carlton in 2023? It’s possible, but given Carlton’s talent and a fair run with injury, it is not the base case.

In COVID-19-affected 2020, Melbourne just missed the eight with a percentage of 107.8. In 2021 everything clicked for the Demons and they won the premiership. Even the most optimistic Carlton fan knows it would be foolish to even think about a premiership in 2023. Melbourne had already gone through a finals cycle, making a preliminary final in 2018. Carlton is a long way off the Melbourne of 2020.

In 2019 and 2018 Hawthorn and Port Adelaide finished ninth with percentages of 108.7 and 107.6 respectively. Hawthorn had been declining from the summit though and so were on a different trajectory to Carlton of 2023. Likewise, Port Adelaide had finished fifth in 2017.

Perhaps the most similar team is Melbourne of 2017, who won 12, lost 10 and just missed out on the eight on percentage to West Coast. Culturally Melbourne of 2017 is most similar to Carlton of 2022 compared to all the above teams. Both teams had gone through many years of pain. Both also had emerging stars. Melbourne made a preliminary final in 2018 and got destroyed by West Coast. That experience was likely invaluable before 2021’s premiership.

Regardless of which team Carlton of 2022 is most like, improvement for the Blues in 2023 will have to come from those beyond Cripps, Walsh, Weitering, McKay and Curnow. Can Hewett, Williams, McGovern and Marchbank stay fit this year? Will Adam Cerra become the midfielder he has shown himself of capable of being in patches, most notably against Collingwood in the last match of 2022? Can Jesse Motlop and Corey Durdin kick 50 goals between them? Will Blake Acres provide the outside run Carlton at times lacked last year? Can Tom de Koning become a genuine number one AFL ruckman? With Michael Voss in charge and good depth in the coaching department, it feels like the next rung of players will improve.

If the last 25 years are any guide, things will go wrong for Carlton. But the situation feels different this time. Carlton has not had the talent it currently has on its list for a long time. For a change, there are no flashy new recruits charged with turning things around. Rather, there are logical additions that fill a need, like Acres and Oliver Hollands, who both provide run. The leadership of the club appears settled for the first time in memory.

In 2023 it’s unlikely Carlton will have the Brownlow or Coleman medallist, let alone both. But if the Blues miss the eight, it will be a surprise.

The Crowd Says:

2023-03-01T09:06:28+00:00

Bangkokpussey

Roar Rookie


The big danger for the blues is injury. Vosses uncompromising style of hard at the ball even through pre seaaon could take its toll on players as the season wears on. Time will tell.

2023-02-02T22:50:37+00:00

theirishman

Roar Rookie


Exactly. Takes plenty of punishment and gives it too. Can't see Cerra playing that hard.

2023-02-02T22:28:49+00:00

Knackaz

Roar Rookie


Sydney will be ahead of Richmond ...

2023-02-02T22:26:48+00:00

Knackaz

Roar Rookie


Or a Luke Parker ...

2023-01-31T23:53:42+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


David King is not an astute judge. Makes a prediction one week which is leapfrogged by a contrasting prediction the week after. The struggles of a man trying to stay afloat in a raging torrent of media also-rans.

2023-01-31T23:49:27+00:00

Don Freo

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How many games do you think that has happened? Hardly any. He has played for 10 years!!

2023-01-31T09:45:33+00:00

1DER

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Kicked 5 goals including 13 hitouts round 16 last season in narrow win over Port. In all the games that Rory has kicked 4 goals or more he has received 2 or 3 brownlow votes.

2023-01-30T11:54:18+00:00

Dusty does Danger

Roar Rookie


Facts from a doggie Guru! Dogs 14 pts better off!

2023-01-29T23:42:34+00:00

Chanon

Roar Rookie


I reckon whoever can kick more than 10 goals should win that game :stoked:

2023-01-29T22:39:04+00:00

13th Man

Roar Rookie


I don't think I'd cope if we lose to that dinosaur.

2023-01-29T22:22:55+00:00

Realist

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They should, but I think their defence is still a major issue and composure in pressure situations questionable. I think the 8 after Round 23 will be: 1.Geelong 2.Melbourne 3.Brisbane 4.Richmond 5.Sydney 6.Port Adelaide Then 2 out of: Bulldogs Gold Coast Feo Carlton Or Collingwood

2023-01-29T14:36:12+00:00

Chanon

Roar Rookie


Now Lobb has departed 36 max :stoked:

2023-01-29T08:53:59+00:00

Dusty does Danger

Roar Rookie


Tigers defence not a worry. No team could kick more than 100 points against us in the 2nd half of the season, including the Cats, although Freo kicked more than 50 (51). Stronger midfield will help big time!

2023-01-29T07:45:08+00:00

theirishman

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I've never doubted the boy can play. I do however, strongly disagree with Don's assertion that he is an 'in and under' type that can drive a side's engine room. The comparison with Selwood maybe is unfair but doesn't that prove my point somewhat.

2023-01-29T06:34:42+00:00

Chanon

Roar Rookie


Don’t lose to the Saint 13th otherwise the old coach will be smug at the press conference :stoked:

2023-01-29T06:31:03+00:00

Chanon

Roar Rookie


Yea l’m more sceptical as well but proof will be in the pudding. If the dogs smash the Demons l’ll be more optimistic :cricket:

2023-01-29T06:12:33+00:00

13th Man

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Where do you see the Dogs this year Chanon? I think they are vulnerable, not sure the Lobby acquisition necessarily improves them, if anything it just denies more opportunity to Darcy and Jamarra. You have an embarrassment of riches but I just don't know if they'll click. The final last year kinda summed up the Dogs, brilliant in patches and awful in others?

2023-01-29T06:10:10+00:00

13th Man

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Cerra is a very good footballer, it's just a shame he will forever be overshadowed by Brayshaw who is a whole lot better. I have no doubts Adam will be a key cog for Carlton this year and will benefit even more if there is a fully fit Cripps and Walsh taking all the attention away. Selwood isn't a fair comparison, they are very different types of players.

2023-01-29T04:37:51+00:00

13th Man

Roar Rookie


Look I'll be less biased than Donny on this one, but I'm pretty bullish we won't miss the 8. The midfield bats even deeper than it did last year, the Mundy loss is covered by the recruitment of JOM and the improvement from Erasmus and Johnson. The defence is fantastic and top 3 in the comp. Yes the concern is the forward line, but I really don't think it's weakened by losing Lobb. Rory was pretty ineffective for three quarters of the season and played the odd blinder, he was pretty inconsistent and wasn't a great team man. I think Treacy and Amiss both have the ability to be far better than Lobb. I'm not the biggest Taberner fan but if he can remain fit he takes the number 1 defender and will still be useful, plus the smalls are only getting better. Another full pre season into someone like Frederick and the sky is the limit on his output. Not to mention that Jackson and Darcy will rotate through there, and Sean is actually quite a good forward but we've rarely seen him in there as his ruck duties have been high. Jackson allows him to spend more time down there too.

2023-01-29T04:28:39+00:00

13th Man

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Dogs are the ones that drop out. I have the same other 7 and Carlton over the Doggies... We all know this won't be the case but I think the Dogs are the most vulnerable by far.

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