If you celebrate everything, you're celebrating nothing: NRL must show us respect and shut up about Respect Round

By Ben Pobjie / Expert

Peter V’landys is, without doubt, a talented man. Where lesser men might come up with an idea with which there is only one problem, he puts his remarkable mind to work to devise plans with multi-faceted faults. His bad ideas glitter like diamonds of ill-thinking. You’ve got to admire that, sort of.

The ARL Commission chairman’s latest idea is for a “Respect Round” in the NRL to celebrate the concept of respect. The first issue is that this is not actually an original idea. The NSWRL already has a Respect Round, or as they put it a #RESPECT Round.

The NSWRL’s celebration of respect, however, is not quite the same as the NRL’s brainwave. In the NSWRL, the round is meant to emphasise respect towards officials and highlight the contribution referees and touch judges make to the game.

Apart from those people who throw garbage at teenage officials on Saturday mornings, most would agree this is a very worthy cause and quite a good theme for a round.

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And that just highlights the next problem with the V’landys idea. Because his version of “Respect Round” isn’t about reinforcing respect for refs, or for anyone in particular. It’s just respect, in general. “Respect for everyone’s views”, as he puts it.

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This is a problem because a themed round really only makes sense if it’s directed in a specific direction. “Women in League” celebrates women. “Indigenous round” celebrates Indigenous players. A Pride Round, the idea of which prompted V’landys’ to offer “respect” instead, would celebrate LGBTQI+ people in the game.

But “respect”, in the chairman’s conception, doesn’t celebrate anyone in particular – or rather, it kind of celebrates everyone, which ends up being the same thing.

If you’re celebrating everything, you’re celebrating nothing.

“Respect for everyone’s views”? How the hell does anyone get excited about THAT? It’s like saying that instead of excluding people by having an Indigenous Round, let’s have an All Races Round.

Or replace Women In League with People In League. Basically he is saying it’s a bit too scary to dedicate a round to a particular group, so let’s dedicate one to every group. What on earth is the point?

But wait, there’s more! Even if you were willing to accept that a round celebrating the concept of respect is not too abstract to mean anything at all, V’landys, in floating the idea, is just plain wrong.

Here’s what he said: “We pride ourselves on being an inclusive game. To be an inclusive game you have to respect everyone’s view.”

Well … no. You just do not have to respect everyone’s view, and in fact anyone who says they DO respect everyone’s view is lying.

For example, if the chairman of the ARL Commission respects the view of people who think rugby league is awful, he’s in the wrong job.

It is simply not true you have to respect everyone’s view to be inclusive. It is important to respect people, but in order to do that you don’t have to respect every opinion they hold.

For example, I can respect the Manly Seven who lit the match beneath the Pride issue last year. I can respect them as men, I can respect their abilities. I can even admire their courage and determination to stick by their principles despite the avalanche of abuse that was bound to come their way. And I can certainly sympathise with the fact that they are devout believers in a religion which puts them at odds with the world they live in.

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But their views? Their views, in and of themselves, are stupid. Religions that say that homosexuality is a sin are stupid, and although I feel more pity than anger towards people – and I’ve known a few – who genuinely bear no ill-will towards gay people but also genuinely believe that they’re going to Hell, I also think that is a ludicrous belief and it’s a damn shame they’ve had it hammered into their brains.

Of course, my belief that their religion is stupid is one that they will not respect, as is only fair.

The idiocy of V’landys’ assertion that you must “respect everyone’s view” becomes even more apparent when you push right to the extreme and bear in mind that there are people in the world today who hold the view that black people are subhuman, that Jews should be rounded up and killed, and that the Roman Empire is a hoax cooked up by medieval Europeans to trick everyone into thinking white people are the best.

If the “Respect Round” ever comes to pass I look forward to sticking any of those on a banner and holding it up at Allianz Stadium.

Which brings us to the final, and possibly biggest, problem with the wishy-washy Respect Round nonsense. If such a round came to pass, the best-case scenario would be that the community meet it with eye-rolling indifference.

Because if everyone really got on board with the concept, what we’d be looking at is an unleashing in the public square of the worst, dumbest, craziest and most vicious views, all carrying the stamp of approval of NRL headquarters thanks to the declaration that the NRL is determined to respect EVERY view.

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Players spouting homophobic garbage? Pushing dangerous anti-vax conspiracy theories? Racism? Sexism? Flat-earthers? I’d bet good money on pretty much any lunacy being present somewhere in the rugby league community, and a Respect Round is not just an invitation to all to bellow it as loudly as possible: it’s an invitation to the media to seek it out, prod and poke people until they say something calculated to provoke maximum fury, and smile with satisfaction as the clicks roll in.

In a nutshell, what I’m saying is this: If V’landys wants to put a Respect Round into place, he is hopefully prepared to make a blizzard of public statements disavowing myriad revolting opinions that he has already officially declared his full respect for. Which, silver lining, would at least be pretty fun to watch.

The fact is, themed rounds aren’t a necessity. Rugby league can survive and thrive without them, and though they are nice things to have, there are many more concrete and practical things a sport’s administration can do to support marginalised people. You don’t HAVE to have a Pride Round. The NRL has many means at its disposal to support and encourage LGBTQI+ people in rugby league without an official round. If they decide the round is not necessary, fine.

But if you decide not to have a round, just don’t have a round. Don’t reject the concept of a positive round that makes a definitive statement in support of something, and replace it with a meaningless round that makes a nebulous statement in support of nothing while also giving encouragement and succour to the very worst in us. You’re just making yourself look stupid, cowardly and cynical all at once.

But then again, V’landys always was good at multi-tasking.

The Crowd Says:

2023-02-06T06:34:01+00:00

JennyFromPenny

Guest


Cheers Ben to yourself and your English teacher who taught you basic comprehension as a child.

2023-02-06T06:32:02+00:00

JennyFromPenny

Guest


Neutral is very much those who say, anything other than heterosexual relationships are not for me, but then, each to their own. It's a free world. Those would be neutral supporters, and very much not the type who would want to go around waving rainbow coloured flags.

2023-02-06T04:22:47+00:00

Nathan Tee

Roar Rookie


At last an article that mentions us Flat Earthers! :happy:

2023-02-05T21:15:12+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


Your last sentence sums up the problem very neatly

2023-02-05T04:24:49+00:00

Joe

Roar Rookie


Where's the tolerance for the lactose intolerant!!

2023-02-05T02:52:02+00:00

Big Daddy

Roar Rookie


That's why we don't need to change any thing .

2023-02-05T00:12:13+00:00

andrew

Roar Rookie


I do BD.

2023-02-04T21:10:03+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


So the answer is young people are having less children than previous generations, and in that regard are doing more

2023-02-04T18:27:07+00:00

Tim Buck 3

Roar Rookie


I worked at the ABS for a few years in the 80s. I was there the day Perth passed Adelaide as the fourth most populated city. They were estimates but very important for things like water supply and sewerage. Some people gave ridiculous answers to retail surveys, so they had to be ignored.

2023-02-04T18:06:46+00:00

Tim Buck 3

Roar Rookie


So, the answer to how many of them have decided not to have children would be more than the previous generation but the population is still increasing at a rate that would not reduce global warming. The world’s population is over 8 billion and even if it was less there is only doom and gloom ahead. What do you think of that?

AUTHOR

2023-02-04T07:46:55+00:00

Ben Pobjie

Expert


Read what you said.

2023-02-04T04:45:13+00:00

Redcap

Roar Guru


Read the rest of the thread - it's all there.

AUTHOR

2023-02-04T04:09:03+00:00

Ben Pobjie

Expert


Sure but to be fair so does everyone.

2023-02-04T03:35:23+00:00

Monorchid

Roar Rookie


You're quite right TWAS. I worked in the municipal water supply and sewerage industries. One of the design parameters used was the Average Occupancy Ratio (AOR) for a typical home which was obtained from published ABS data. When I started work in 1967, the AOR was 4.8 person per home. It gradually reduced over time but levelled out in the 1990s to 3.5 for quite a while. When I retired about a decade ago, it was about 1.8. Ergo, as you say, it's an established fact.

2023-02-04T03:14:34+00:00

KenW

Roar Rookie


A very late reply sorry but this piqued my interest. What is a 'neutral' in this context? The only practical 'neutral' position I could imagine would be complete ambivalence, but if someone were truly ambivalent why would they bother getting in the way? I'm not saying it's a true dichotomy or anything, but surely if you're not specifically against inclusiveness, then by default you're for it.

2023-02-04T02:59:26+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


Really? Today’s adults are having less children than past generations. That’s an established fact.

2023-02-04T02:54:15+00:00

Monorchid

Roar Rookie


I think this is a good article. What it raises, perhaps unintentionally, is what happens when the corporate suits take over. What V'landys said sounds just like what was happening in my last years in my State's public service prior to my retirement 10 years ago. People who knew a great deal about the organisation; what its function was; had lots of qualifications and experience; and how to relate to the customer base, weren't prized. The corporates had arrived, and they weren't interested in operational matters. But they were interested in confected fluffy programmes. What mattered were things like appearing to be "innovative" and "agile", and having good "optics". The corporates competed with each other, mostly with thought bubbles, speaking in acronyms, wearing label clothes, and picking trendy cafes for lunch. The most preferred bubbles were those for which there could be no adverse outcome for the proposer if things went pear shaped, and for which there was no identifiable outcome. What was important was that it seemed like an outre and ultra-modern idea. If things didn't work out, the idea could be allowed to taper off while being hidden by the next thought bubble floated. So, Rugby League, welcome to the era of the bureaucratic corporate suits. But keep the faith. The time of the suits will end one day. By the way, I note with respect the respect that Mr V'landys has demonstrated for AFL over time.

2023-02-04T02:48:55+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


I think at worst it’s believing what suits their existing prejudices

AUTHOR

2023-02-03T18:41:09+00:00

Ben Pobjie

Expert


I don’t know any dictionary in which homophobia is defined as “an overt display of acceptance is not for me”.

2023-02-03T13:29:34+00:00

Tim Buck 3

Roar Rookie


Well, I've never voted for them. I'd be concerned about Albanese after his comments and actions regarding Bruce Lehrmann. Hopefully the Greens will gain the LNP votes over time but the future looks bleak whoever gets in. I've seen some documentaries from climate scientists about what is going to happen and it's terrifying. I'm not aggressive. I find the vaccinated are aggressive. Having a vaccination, with bad side effects, that doesn't stop you from getting the virus or passing it on tends to make them aggressive. Novak Dokovic had to put up with aggressive behaviour because he was unvaccinated. As the world's population is over 8 billion there is only doom and gloom ahead.

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