With Tasmania locked in to join the competition, where is the inevitable 20th AFL team destined to come from?

By 13th Man / Roar Rookie

Tasmania come on down!

No serious AFL fan can deny that Tasmania deserves a football team. It’s a traditional Aussie Rules state that has been long rejected and disrespected. Whatever side of the fence you sit on the stadium debate, a new team in Tassie is a good thing.

But the announcement that Tasmania is coming brings an awkward scenario for the AFL – an odd number of teams.

Traditionally this is something the AFL has disliked. It happened for one season when Gold Coast came into the competition in 2011 before GWS entered the following season. Before this, you have to go back to 1991-94 when we had 15 teams before Fremantle entered in 1995, and then Port Adelaide joined in 1996, with Fitzroy merging with Brisbane at the same time.

The AFL does not love the weekly bye concept, and for good reason too – having a bye in Round 1 is far less advantageous for a team than having a bye in Round 11. It makes an already unbalanced fixture even more confusing and controversial and this is something the AFL will desperately try and avoid.

So, is a 20th team inevitable? Or is there anything else the AFL can do to balance up the awkwardness 19 teams create?

Firstly let’s park any suggestion of two Victorian teams merging. It will never happen. North Melbourne and St Kilda are the two teams that always get thrown into this conversation but I’d imagine fans of these clubs would storm Marvel Stadium with pitchforks if this ever became a reality.

We can also park any possibility of AFL admitting defeat on the Gold Coast or GWS. These clubs are frontier clubs and here to stay, as poor as their followings remain. The AFL deleting one of those sides would be akin to admitting defeat.

So, we come to the inevitable scenario that is an AFL 20th team. I really don’t think there are many footy fans that actually want it, I certainly don’t but it’s just a matter of time before it happens. Heck Gillon Mclachlan even admitted as much.

So let’s explore how this team might look, and more importantly where it might be.

A Third Perth Team – The Joondalup (West Perth) Falcons

This seems to be the early favourite. Perth is a fast-growing population with over two million and counting, and two financially stable and wealthy clubs, even if the current on-field form isn’t great. The discussion is centred mainly around the Northern Suburbs, Joondalup to be specific, and financially, it probably makes the most sense. The stadium and a quality training centre at Arena Joondalup are already there, and there is a population base. Heck, WAFL club West Perth have made Joondalup their own and the argument may well be that it is indeed West Perth that is elevated to the AFL based in the northern corridor.

On top of this, West Coast have the biggest membership base in the league with a large waiting list. There is reason to suggest some of these fans may take up a new team membership simply to come to the footy.

But, honestly, as a native Western Australian, I ask what is the point. We have two well-supported teams, very few rusted-on Dockers or Eagles fans will change teams at a whim, it’ll dilute a rivalry in a two-team town and anyone that knows Perth will tell you that Joondalup and surrounding areas is full of British and South African ex-pats, many who are more likely to have Liverpool or Springbok flags in their front yards than Eagles or Dockers flags, let alone a new team.

It may make sense financially but I feel it would be being brought in purely for the sake of it, and wouldn’t gain much support.

Reuben Ginbey of the Eagles. (Photo by Paul Kane/Getty Images)

The South West – Southwest Sharks (or perhaps the Southwest Sommeliers)

If not a Perth metro team, does it make more sense to base a team in Western Australia’s southwest perhaps? It’s a strong football region and would have an identity separate from that of the two Perth teams.

The issue is the population of Mandurah, Bunbury, Busselton and Dunsborough combined are still less than that of Hobart, so if a Tassie team is deemed to be financially tough a southwest team is impossible. It would still really need strong Perth support, and would probably still have to play home games out of Optus Stadium, unless of course, the State Government decided to build a boutique stadium on Busselton foreshore. This one won’t happen.

I saw Jon Ralph suggest Geraldton in the north recently, this has even less going for it than a team in the southwest, other than Jamie Cripps, Josh Kennedy and Paul Haselby all hailing from nearby Northampton.

ACT – The Canberra Conservatives

The population of the ACT is about 430,000, only about 100,000 less than Tasmania. Include the outlying NSW region of Queanbeyan and it’s even a bit more than this.

If Tassie can have a team, it’s reasonable to suggest Canberra can too. It already has a ground in Manuka, although the AFL may insist this should be upgraded. Canberra draws decent crowds to GWS games, usually better crowds than they get in Western Sydney, but this is the Giants’ problem with Canberra. GWS needs Canberra, its most reliable supporter base is in Canberra, some might argue the Giants should simply move to Canberra. And hence I think the AFL will be very hesitant to bring a Canberra team into the competition.

Some however could argue a Canberra team would be a good thing for GWS as it would force them to make inroads into Sydney and not rely on Canberra as a backup ‘satellite’ supporter base. I think it’s a legitimate option, but there are some problems mainly revolving around GWS that the AFL would need to work through.

 (Photo by Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images)

Northern Territory – The NT Crocodiles:

This is the most heartwarming option for me. It would be brilliant to see a Northern Territory team in the competition and get some of the amazing untapped talents that this footy-mad territory has to offer. You think of players from the Territory such as Cyril Rioli, and then you think of just how many amazing players that haven’t been uncovered might yet be given a pathway to the AFL if a team was located there, and it’s extremely exciting.

It also will be after Tasmania, the one gaping hole on the map without an AFL team, for the AFL to be a truly national competition it simply needs the Northern Territory.

However, the entire population of the NT is about 250,000 people. Darwin has just 132,000. Even compared to Tasmania it’s simply tiny.

Then there is the weather, the start of the AFL season would still be in the wet season in Darwin, ruling that out unless they build a stadium with a roof (sound familiar?) It’s also super hot, even in ‘winter’ with the temperature in Darwin barely dropping below 30 degrees in the day, you’d only be able to have night games.

If the AFL pumped lots of money into it, it could work, but realistically with the league already propping up poor Victorian teams and soon-to-be three expansion clubs, is the appetite really then for an even less financially viable fourth?

North Queensland – Cairns Cane Toads

This fails for the same reasons as the Northern Territory would – population, size and weather.

The small populations of Cairns (150,000) and Townsville (178,00) even combined still probably can’t host an AFL team, when they already have a very well-followed NRL team in the NQ Cowboys dominating the market up there. I think the current scenario of both cities hosting a couple of games a season is probably the way to go here.

Third South Australian team – Norwood

The romanticism of suburban grounds such as ‘The Parade’ was hammered home over Gather Round, but realistically a third team in Adelaide has a lot less going for it than a third team in Perth.

It has all the same issues as Perth has in being a two-team town, with Adelaide and Port dominating the market, plus with only two-thirds of the population that Perth has. Adelaide is a very wealthy club, and Port are strong now too, but it isn’t too long ago that they were in difficulty. I think this would be an own-goal for the AFL and would also dilute the competition’s most fierce rivalry.

(Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

New Zealand – The Footy Blacks? (Footy Ferns for the AFLW side?)

Ok, this is very outlandish I agree, but I thought I’d put it in primarily because I currently live in New Zealand and it would be so awesome to see a team over here.

Auckland (probably where the team would be based) does have a population of 1.7 million, and if the team was to encompass the whole of the country and play the odd home game in Wellington, Christchurch or Queenstown (for the Aussie ex-pats in ski season?) it would have about five million potential fans.

The big problem is 99% of these people already have a team: The All Blacks. This team so dominates the country that realistically AFL just doesn’t rate a mention. The stadiums, apart from the Cake Tin in Wellington are mostly rectangular, and if cricket looks weird at Eden Park, imagine footy there!

I think if rugby didn’t have such a stronghold in the country it would be ideal, but it’s not going to happen. Our sport is uniquely Australian and I just don’t see international expansion taking hold anytime soon.

So with all the above options presented, I still don’t really see one that is necessary or viable. But yet we all know it will happen, the AFL is determined to continue to expand.

The one positive I can see with 20 teams as we get closer to fixture equality is 19 rounds where every team plays everyone once (and switches between home and away each season) – with potentially Gather Round and Rivalry Round added on top of this (so we get to see Derbies, Showdowns and big Melbourne Rivalries twice) you get 21 games, which is a lot closer to being about right.

What do you think? Where is the AFL’s inevitable 20th team going to be located?

The Crowd Says:

2023-05-15T12:23:28+00:00

Rowdy

Roar Rookie


West Perth made it a very Red n Blue year. I just reckon that the Oldest know rivalry in any Australian sport, Port v Redlegs, would transfer very well to the AFL. --------- One time Port wouldn't let Norwood into Alberton. They were going to charge them the gate. Things like this just kept happening. Port hate that Norwood has the most unique set of All-Australian records in AF. And we hate that they have more Flags. Norwood n Port hate Sturt n Glenelg too but not like a Pies / Legs match up.

2023-05-14T20:42:05+00:00

Rowdy

Roar Rookie


Mallee Park and a couple of teams from the Iron Trisngle could compete easily. Mallee Park would be in the Top 3 non urban teams you mentioned Australia-wide.

AUTHOR

2023-05-14T11:23:36+00:00

13th Man

Roar Rookie


I can’t see how the AFL considers a third Sydney team until the second one is relatively successful and well followed. I also imagine a lot of WA and SA people would see a third team in Sydney over a strong WAFL or SANFL club like West Perth or Norwood as a massive slap in the face.

AUTHOR

2023-05-14T11:13:59+00:00

13th Man

Roar Rookie


Yeah ok, was aware that they had a big rivalry but obviously figured that Adelaide probably fill the void somewhat in the AFL, I consider the Showdown the best rivalry in the AFL, so if that would be reduced to nothing by Norwood coming in the hatred between Norwood and Port must be real. East Freo are my WAFL club, and I think the strongest rivalry in the WAFL is Easts v Souths, but neither could ever step up to the AFL given we already have a Freo team. West Perth with its connections to Joondalup seems to be the best candidate, plus a strong historic club with the biggest supporter base in the league.

AUTHOR

2023-05-14T11:07:12+00:00

13th Man

Roar Rookie


The question is how do you convince mostly Australian players to actually move country, let alone cities? The team would have to be 90% Aussie players at least to start with.

2023-05-14T08:38:45+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Knackaz, My understanding is that the inclusion of GWS & GC was media based, to ensure that NSW & Qld each had a home game each weekend. But that only works if the fans in each state have their two teams as their #1 & #2. In theory, the idea makes sense, but in practice the jury is out, & may not return! What is obvious right now, is how badly the lowly placed clubs are faring. Is the AFL short of quality players for say, two clubs? Adding more clubs will only exacerbate the player depth issue.

2023-05-14T07:04:04+00:00

fiwiboy7042

Roar Rookie


to extend that logic ... nope.

2023-05-13T07:03:18+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


You're seeing it unfold before your eyes. The youngest team at the moment; Fyfe, Chapman to return. You may laugh but you will be educated if you keep watching.

2023-05-13T06:01:59+00:00

Knackaz

Roar Rookie


“Freo has the best squad in the comp.” You’re hilarious! You should be in politics, or sales …

2023-05-13T04:39:27+00:00

Rowdy

Roar Rookie


ACT was a stronghold of AF but the Brumbies and Raiders have been instrumental in those 2x Rugby's gaining a hold on things there.

2023-05-13T04:36:28+00:00

Rowdy

Roar Rookie


The 3rd Sydney team will be the 27th team in.

2023-05-12T07:57:58+00:00

LionFanMelbourne

Roar Rookie


I hope the AFL thinks far ahead with this investment. If we are talking about expansion, then expand and grow the league. I really don't think SA and WA need a 3rd team. Both those cities are footy mad and I also don't see fans of those four teams jumping across to a new one. NT just does not make any sense at all for the reasons you mentioned. The weather being one, but Im gonna hone in on the elephant in the room here- The NT is flipping tiny! Good luck getting enough fans, and another good luck to avoiding player exodus from Darwin to bigger cities where AFL players can party like they often do. Canberra, similarly won't be able to sustain a team imo. Leave it for extra GWS support. Northern Queensland is also way too tiny in population. Southern Queensland is showing impressive growth but leave that to the lions and suns who have lower membership numbers than other teams. Sydney has struggled to gain enough support, and the Giants are struggling there. So where does that leave...... ....... Sydney!!!!! I cannot believe how little talk there is about a 3rd team in Sydney for this 20th team. We are talking about a population of like 5 million people here. Let's grow the game there, maybe we won't see good turnouts in the near future, but as a long term investment- the sky is the limit! Sure, the Giants struggle but who knows maybe with another team and another crosstown rival people will start rocking up. Sydney people let's be honest they see the game as a Victorian game as we have like 10 teams down here. They don't watch it for that reason. Give them 3 and watch them turn. The game is too good for them to ignore any longer!

2023-05-12T03:35:26+00:00

Tim Carter

Roar Pro


Just make it clear that you're from WA and not Brisbane, Melbourne, or Sydney, and you'll be elected mayor.

2023-05-12T03:20:23+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


Maybe I should move there and bring the vibe. I really enjoy holidays in Newcastle.

2023-05-12T03:14:13+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


Freo and Sydney are fantastic clubs. Why are you disappointed? Freo has the best squad in the comp. Now that selections are improving (still 3 incorrect selections) Freo won't lose many more. They'll be top 4 by the end of the split round (R14). Simply beat the teams above them, which they should do. Sydney is in a bit of injury trouble.

2023-05-12T02:55:09+00:00

Rowdy

Roar Rookie


Norwood and Port rivalry would reduce Port and Adelaide to an also ran status. West Perth or Subiaco have no history with the present Freo or a confected club such as WC. Adelaide is also an confected club. —- WP or Subiaco don’t have the rivalry, if admitted, that Norwood would have with Port. 66 Flags combined and a rivalry dating back to 1878. No club in Perth can offer that. —— West Perth is my WAFL Club.

2023-05-12T02:49:14+00:00

Tim Carter

Roar Pro


I think the Giants would be struggling even more if they moved to Newcastle. Maybe they could bring a game to #1 Sportsground (hosted Sheffield Shield way back, capacity 15000 (unsure if that is still the case)), but that's just a possible sugar hit, rather than a sustainable strategy.

2023-05-12T02:44:45+00:00

Tim Carter

Roar Pro


We all know about it. Several of us have attended games. Some have even played it competitively. But Newcastle struggles to support multiple sporting teams (RIP (off the top of my head) KB United, Newcastle Breakers, Hunter Mariners, Newcastle Wildfires, Hunter Eagles, Newcastle Falcons, Hunter Pirates, Hunter Jaegers), and I can't imagine enough people consistently getting behind a team in a competition that has forever treated the city with something between dismissiveness and contempt.

2023-05-12T02:37:00+00:00

Opeo

Roar Rookie


“I think Aussie rules was probably still more popular in NSW and QLD when they first expanded there, than what it is in NZ now.” Was it? I have no idea where to find Aussie Rules participation numbers so let us say that is true, but I have my doubts. Anyway, how does Aussie rules in NZ compare to the popularity of rugby league in Victoria? Apparently there are 30,000 people playing Aussie Rules in NZ compared to maybe 15,000 playing rugby league in Victoria. NZ has a slightly smaller population than Victoria too.

2023-05-12T02:25:19+00:00

Knackaz

Roar Rookie


An odd number of teams makes no sense at all, Don. So who's going to win the battle of 2 of the most disappointing Clubs this weekend at the SCG ...

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