Seeking compensation? Roosters too precious about assistants leaving early for head coaching roles elsewhere

By Paul Suttor / Expert

When did the position of Roosters assistant coach become a role bound by a blood oath that can never be left early?

Since rugby league time immemorial, assistant or lower-grade coaches have been out the door with the blessing of their club whenever an opportunity to become the boss somewhere else has popped up. 

And yes, rugby league “is a business these days” (checks notes, it always has been but the level of professionalism varies wildly) so the Roosters are entitled under Australian employment law to hold anyone to a contract that both parties entered into in good faith. 

But is it that hard to find an assistant to Trent Robinson that they have to kick up a stink every time a rival club comes knocking for a member of their coaching staff. 

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Jason Ryles is the latest Roosters assistant in the sights of another team with St George Illawarra keen to lure him back to his junior club to clean up the mess that is being left behind by the Anthony Griffin experience, which is unlikely to last much longer into its third season of mediocrity.

Jason Ryles. (Photo by Graham Denholm/Getty Images)

The Roosters are set to chase compensation in the form of a six-figure payout from the Dragons if they entice Ryles to walk before his three-year contract ends at the end of next year. 

It is very much their right to do so and it adds to the club’s supposedly ruthless reputation but it also comes across as churlish. 

They were none too pleased when Adam O’Brien left for the Knights at the end of 2018, just one season into a three-year contract which contained a clause which allowed him to depart if a head coaching gig came up elsewhere. 

Roosters head honchos claimed they were mainly filthy at O’Brien for negotiating with Newcastle while their team was gearing up for a playoff series – they still won the comp that year so the alleged distraction could not have been too significant. 

Craig Fitzgibbon was signed by Cronulla in April of 2021 but he had made it clear to the Sharks that he would not be heading south until the following year as he had given his word to the Roosters that he would see out his deal even if he landed a head coach’s job at a rival franchise. 

A cynic would say he was probably spooked by the O’Brien treatment but Fitzgibbon has built a solid-gold reputation as a player and coach of being someone you can depend on and not surprisingly he was true to his word.

Robinson addressed the issue in his captain’s run media conference on Thursday leading into Friday’s clash with Penrith by saying he wouldn’t stand in Ryles’ way if the Dragons make him an offer he wants to accept, or the Storm if Craig Bellamy opts not to continue on for another year.

He threw in a caveat by cryptically saying “as long as we’re doing the best thing for the Roosters as well”.

“We’ve chatted about his future. It’s not something that it’s for me to go into. In a way, it’s got something to do with us (as a club), but it’s got nothing to do with us in another way,” he said. “I never have (stood in the way). That’s not going to happen now. As long as there’s clarity there and we’re doing the best thing for the Roosters as well.

“That’s where the relationship’s important and the trust in those communications to offer that advice and how that looks. That’s a part of the role. I was in that role once as well, so you know how they feel.”

The Roosters love to spin the narrative about how rich they are – they surely don’t need whatever dollars they could squeeze out of a rival club for poaching Ryles.

And there’s plenty of time to find a replacement – we’re not even halfway through this season.

The interest in Robinson’s assistants in recent years should be seen as a badge of honour for the club. 

The truly great coaches have former underlings all over the competition. 

In fact every coach in the 2023 premiership comes from five distinct coaching trees. 

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Robinson, after three premierships in his first decade at the helm of the Roosters, has three offshoots with Titans coach Justin Holbrook also serving on his staff before greater opportunities came up in the Super League and then NRL. 

Wayne Bennett’s got a few apprentices on the go in Jason Demetriou at South Sydney and Griffin, for now, at the Dragons. He was also the mentor for Craig Bellamy and Kevin Walters in a couple of stints at the Broncos.

Bellamy’s own dynasty has produced a few future first-grade coaches – O’Brien, who is more of a Melbourne product after serving 11 years before his Roosters sojourn at the Storm, alongside the likes of Brad Arthur and Anthony Seibold. 

Wests Tigers veteran Tim Sheens is the other current coach who has produced a couple of eventual counterparts in Ricky Stuart and Todd Payten. 

He’s also had several others over the years at other clubs like Paul Green, John Morris and David Furner. 

Penrith’s dual premiership winner Ivan Cleary’s understudies are quickly spreading around the league with Cameron Ciraldo (Bulldogs) and Andrew Webster (Warriors) embarking on their first seasons.

Taking down Cleary’s Panthers should be the Roosters’ primary focus as the premiers are lying in wait for Robinson and his team in Sydney’s golden west. 

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Neither coach is too thrilled with their team’s performances this year. They are both part of a six-way gridlock of teams from the top four to ninth spot with a 5-4 record. 

After his team’s lacklustre 20-6 loss to the Cowboys last Sunday, Robinson said there was plenty on his checklist that needs to improve.

He wants the team to not strive for perfection but be willing to trust their judgement on the fly in games “to get back to who we are”.

“It’s not just one thing, there’s a multitude of things but there’s a couple of key areas that we want to improve,” he said. 

“It’s not about tightening up anymore, it’s about letting go and letting the guys run freely and sometimes missing the absolute perfect movement to get more movement for each other and more instinct.” 

The Crowd Says:

2023-05-12T23:58:12+00:00

Glory Bound

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Compassion? From the Roosters? :laughing: Tell that to Mitchell Pearce (238 games for the Roosters), Shaun Kenny-Dowall (224 games for the Roosters), Aidan Guerra (154 games for the Roosters), Blake Ferguson (91 games for the Roosters) and Kane Evans (74 games for the Roosters). All were unceremoniously kicked to the kerb when it suited the Roosters. When NRL fans think of the Roosters, compassion is a word that doesn't come high on that list. It falls well behind greed, rorting, "gamesmanship" (see also che@ting) and whinging (from the coach in post-game press conferences).

2023-05-12T22:40:41+00:00

Maxtruck

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NRL is multi million dollar business and coaches, even assistants, are employees like most of us. Try telling your employer "I am interviewing for another position but if I don't get it I will be back in the office tomorrow" Even more alarming tell them you are going to the opposition and see what happens. It usually ends with handing over phones, laptops & keys and being escorted out. If Ryles was working for City Ford he would have been gone last week. Roosters would have learnt a lesson from Fitzgibbon's departure. Employed by the Roosters in 2021 but spent most of the year on Sharks business.

2023-05-12T22:17:25+00:00

Glory Bound

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Read again. There were TWO distinct categories... former Rabbitohs players and South Sydney juniors. I was correct with both. Players like Api Koroisau, Angus Crichton and Luke Keary not only played for the Rabbitohs but also played in Souths lower grades before the Rabbitohs gave them their debut in the NRL. That is also true of the Burgess twins Tom and George, Shaq Mitchell and Isaiah Tass (albeit coming from the QLD Cup competition). Nat and Egan Butcher, Paul Momirovski, Billy Smith et al are all South Sydney juniors. They are the facts Panthers. I stand by my statement. There are plenty of other examples, Addin Fonua-Blake played his junior rugby league for the Mascot Jets, before being signed by the South Sydney Rabbitohs and playing in Souths lower grades in 2011. Addo-Carr attended Matraville Sports High School as a teenager and played his junior rugby league for the La Perouse Panthers and Moore Park Broncos. In 2012, Addo-Carr played with the South Sydney Rabbitohs SG Ball team before joining the Sharks NYC team. Of their current 30-man squad at least 9 players are South Sydney juniors: Alex Johnston (La Perouse Panthers) Cameron Murray (Mascot Jets) Campbell Graham (Coogee Wombats) Keon Koloamatangi (Mascot Jets) Davvy Moale (Coogee Wombats) Daniel Suluka-Fifita (Matraville Tigers) Blake Taaffe (La Perouse Panthers) Dean Hawkins (Matraville Tigers) Peter Mamouzelos (Maroubra Lions)

2023-05-12T21:22:02+00:00

Panthers

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Players that South’s have poached from other clubs at younger ages , still aren’t South’s juniors. Plenty of Panthers juniors in both of those clubs . Though to be fair , both clubs are happy to poach the juniors from any club. Such as Newcastle’s best Jersey Flegg player Ethan Ferguson, poached by South’s .

2023-05-12T20:41:02+00:00

Panthers

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Well, you’d be wrong, as Webster was released a year early from his contract. Barrett was also released early.

2023-05-12T20:31:46+00:00

Panthers

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Well they were all assistant coaches at Penrith. Other clubs twice got Barrett from there. I didn’t see Penrith having a whine about the assistant coaches wanting to leave for a head coaching position. Could add Brennan & Cartwright to that not too long ago. They all looked pretty successful as assistant coaches &, or lower grade coaches at Penrith . Doesn’t matter what they did when gone.

2023-05-12T10:11:49+00:00

Glory Bound

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So to summarise I think they did, you think they didn't and neither of us has anything to back up our opinions. Where does that leave us, Panthers?

2023-05-12T09:46:23+00:00

Panthers

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No. Pretty sure Ciraldo did. Don’t think Barrett did either time he left Penrith. To go to Manly & the Bulldogs. Don’t think Webster did either.

2023-05-12T09:35:15+00:00

Muzz Manyana

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Compassion 2013, Depth. Napa hasn’t done much in years so he’s fresh and well preserved

2023-05-12T08:27:31+00:00

Glory Bound

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Perhaps. But I feel the loss of Reed Mahoney is having as big an impact on the Eels form as the loss of the Eels is having on Mahoney's form. This year Mahoney has been half the player that he was at the Eels.

2023-05-12T08:11:23+00:00

Big Daddy

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The roosters aren't backwards in getting rid of players and you'd have to question their wisdom In resigning someone like Dylan Napa.

2023-05-12T08:08:14+00:00

Big Daddy

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And Barrett still keeps backing up for more . His influence at Parramatta is mind blowing.

2023-05-12T07:58:30+00:00

Big Mig

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A few more performances like the roosters had vs cowboys and Ryles may well be in line for Trent's job. :stoked:

2023-05-12T07:33:56+00:00

Glory Bound

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It's embarrassing as it is how the Roosters have to fill their 30-man roster with so many former Rabbitohs players and South Sydney juniors. Passing the hat around and ask for financial assistance with this process only adds to their humiliation. Has the Yellow Brick Road run out of gold to pave the Roosters path to Glory? The Roosters have become the Rabbitohs poor relation not just in terms of developing junior talent and performances on the field but also in terms of financial resources and commercial viability. Sounds like it's time for the Roosters to relocate to Christmas Island and rebrand from the Roosters to the Turkeys. They will be known as the Christmas Turkeys! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

2023-05-12T07:22:32+00:00

Glory Bound

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You say that but both Barrett and Ciraldo completed their contracts before leaving the Panthers. At the very least the Panthers didn't let either of them walk away mid-season.

2023-05-12T05:37:17+00:00

Tony

Roar Guru


The Dragons should tell them that the compensation will be 8 figures

2023-05-12T05:12:32+00:00

Panthers

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Maybe the Roosters no longer allow it in their contracts for coaches? That would explain the seeking compensation part.

2023-05-12T05:03:55+00:00

Nick Maguire

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That's how I would see it.

2023-05-12T05:02:59+00:00

Nick Maguire

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"Adam O’Brien left for the Knights at the end of 2018, just one season into a three-year contract which contained a clause which allowed him to depart if a head coaching gig came up elsewhere." I believe this is quite common among coaches in all codes that they can leave for a higher job but not for an equivalent job. Why didn't Ryles get this in his contract?

2023-05-12T04:22:51+00:00

Muzz Manyana

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The Chooks will waiver their compensation claim if they get Hunt.

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