Round 17 Talking Points: NRL needs to take a stance - Hunt drama shows 'very soft' contract system has to be fixed

By Michael Hagan / Expert

The Ben Hunt standoff with St George Illawarra shows the NRL’s contract system and lack of a designated transfer window is not working and it’s all a bit of a shemozzle. 

I think that’s the issue for the game that needs to be sorted out amid all this drama. 

Fans are annoyed that we’re still having these conversations and contracts are been talked about and terminated or changed midstream. 

The game should be saying, listen, Ben, you’ve got a contract and you’ve got to that out for the remainder of this year and then you can renegotiate with the Dragons and you’re free to go if they release you.

I think there’s got to be some stance by the game otherwise anyone can do this kind of thing whenever they want. So what’s the point of that? That’s not good.

Ben Hunt. (Photo by Bradley Kanaris/Getty Images)

The system needs to be fixed. Sending an email to three clubs who may have talked to Hunt about not inducing him to breach his contract, that’s not going to change anything. 

As a game, I think we’re pretty soft.

Teams are allowed to contact other players but can’t table an offer but that doesn’t stop them from doing that verbally and unless every conversation gets taped, they’re none the wiser as to what the deal would be or how it looks or how it gets done. 

The league is a bit scared of the powerful clubs and the managers and they’re not prepared to hammer them on this either. 

It’s a hard situation to understand with the St George Illawarra CEO saying they’re not going to give him a release and it looks like the following week they’ll let him go.

I don’t see how the Dragons come out of this any better even if they have a few salary cap dollars to spend the next couple of years. Players like Hunt aren’t just out there waiting to be picked up. 

People can argue that Hunt’s got a contract that he should honour and the club sacked Griffin when he was under contract and that’s all part of it. 

But Hunt looks like he’d made his mind up before Shane Flanagan was appointed as the next coach and his issue is more with the way the club has been run, especially Anthony Griffin getting sacked after he had re-signed.

Certain things have happened over the past few weeks that have led him to arrive at this point where he doesn’t want to be there anymore. So I don’t know if you can force someone to stay if they don’t want to be there. 

It’s not going to be a mutual agreement for them to part company. It’s a bit like a divorce where one partner wants out. It’ll just get messier the longer it drags on. 

If he ends up at the Broncos for the rest of this year that will be a huge bonus for them and if he signs with the Titans, that’s going to fit in nicely with Des Hasler coming on board so it wouldn’t surprise me if there have been discussions around that for a few weeks behind the scenes.

Titans sacking Holbrook a shock

The Gold Coast have not performed well in quite a few games this year when they’ve had big leads and collapsed in the second half and there were enough indicators there that something needed to change.

But I was shocked like everyone when the news came through on Thursday that Justin Holbrook had been sacked and Des Hasler was coming on board next year. 

It’s a ruthless profession and Holbrook losing his job again highlights the fact that it’s a sad indictment on the lack of support for coaches. A club can just punt someone mid-season and they’re out the door. 

Moeaki Fotuaika. (Photo by Bradley Kanaris/Getty Images)

There’s never a good way of doing it and the timing’s a bit odd. They’re on the fringe of the top eight and players in this situation can quickly become disillusioned with what’s going on because Holbrook was very close to them. 

They regrouped very well after all the turmoil on Sunday by upsetting the Broncos in Brisbane 18-12 and they’ve still got three or four Origin players so if interim coach Jim Lenihan can keep that intensity up, they could still possibly scrape into the playoffs.

Origin III a danger game for Blues and Maroons

The main factor I saw with Queensland’s dominance over NSW in Origin this series has been the confidence and the belief that Billy Slater has instilled in that Maroons team. 

Their preparation was spot on, they had the right people in the right roles and Billy has been really strong on what it means to represent Queensland. 

All the messaging coming out of their camp was really positive. Billy said he thought pre-game they could improve on Adelaide and that certainly be the case.

Previous successful Maroons teams would have a mantra of it doesn’t matter what the game plan is, what’s important is that we all believe in whatever it is. 

Origin is a different occasion to the NRL – that atmosphere in the ground and the support of the state, it’s almost a tangible thing if you’ve been in and around it and it makes people perform to their very best. 

The match itself, even as a Queenslander I thought NSW were unlucky in that first half – firstly with Tom Trbojevic tearing his pec and Damien Cook having to fill in for the rest of the game at left centre but the two Maroons tries were questionable at best.

(Photo by Chris Hyde/Getty Images)

Valentine Holmes’ putdown was iffy and even the most one-eyed Queensland would admit David Fifita’s pass was forward in the lead-up to Murray Taulagi’s try. Cameron Smith thought it was line-ball on Nine’s commentary but I think he was the only one saw it that way. 

Queensland’s physicality across the board was stronger, particularly the back five. The way they brought the ball back into heavy contact was better and the Blues need to look at the likes of Dylan Edwards, Campbell Graham and Clint Gutherson for game three because of the way they always carry it up with intent. 

It’s a tricky situation for the Blues in that there’s a lot of talk about whether Origin III in Sydney will be Brad Fittler’s last game as coach. 

They need to select a team with one eye on the future but they still have to go with the 17 that they think will get the job done otherwise we’ve seen in the past these games can get ugly really quickly for the team facing a clean sweep. 

Whether it’s Fittler’s last game or not, they’ve got to have a bit of a plan around game three and what it means for next year, it’s more important than I think a lot of people realise.

In 2003, Cameron Smith came in for game three which was a dead rubber and it was a chance to build on what Queensland were putting in place for the next year.

I’m not saying Reece Robson is going to be the next Cameron Smith but I thought he handled his debut well and he looks like an Origin player so the Blues should stick with players like him who will be part of the future.

For the Maroons, they may not be quite as intense with their preparation, which is only natural, because the series result is no longer on the line.

In 2009, Queensland had won the series in two games and they relaxed a little bit and got beaten in the last one. 

I remember Mal Meninga the following year used that as motivation to make sure the preparation and the standards were just as high even though they were lucky enough to have another dead rubber in game three and they went on to sweep that series.

(Photo by Jason McCawley/Getty Images)

Panthers machine a sight to behold

The Penrith machine keeps on keeping on and the fact that they were able to take down Newcastle 20-12 on Saturday night even though they gave all five of their Origin stars a breather deserves plenty of praise.

They played the near perfect game, completing at 100% in the first half and only failing to get through four sets in the second half. 

In the end the eight-point scoreline probably flattered Newcastle and it was a worrying sign for them that they’ve lost to a depleted Roosters side and now the Panthers without their rep players in the space of a fortnight. 

It didn’t matter that Nathan Cleary was out injured and Penrith’s other NSW reps were sitting this one out. Whether it was Jack Cogger and Jaeman Salmon in the halves, Tyrone Peachey slotting into the centres or the forwards they brought in like Matt Eisenhuth, Luke Garner and Zac Hosking, they all did their job in the Panthers’ relentless style.

It’s a luxury for Ivan Cleary to have Dylan Edwards fresh at fullback through this time of year and then they’ve got probably the three most damaging middle forwards in the NRL this season in James Fisher-Harris, Moses Leota and Spencer Leniu carving up teams through the middle.

(Photo by Matt King/Getty Images)

Finals picture starting to take shape

It’s that time of year where the combined effect of injuries, rep footy and the grind is taking effect and a few teams are going backwards at a rapid rate of knots.

The Knights, Manly (especially now without Tommy Turbo for the rest of the year) and the Dolphins are starting to show plenty of wear and tear.

It’s hard to see too many of the teams outside the top eight at the moment challenging for a spot in the finals outside of the Roosters and Cowboys. 

On the flip side, the Warriors keep rising up the ladder and Parramatta are showing the benefits of being a playoff team the past few years.

They’re not necessarily the most flamboyant team in the comp but the Eels get the job done more often than not.

Melbourne are another team that fits into that category – they dominated the Sea Eagles on Saturday night even though Cameron Munster was crook after Origin.

North Queensland were inconsistent in the first couple of months but are building momentum now and are only a couple of wins outside the eight.

Their Queensland reps were outstanding on Sunday in the road win over South Sydney while Tom Dearden and Scott Drinkwater are stepping up more and more in attack so that Chad Townsend doesn’t have to carry a huge playmaking burden.

The Roosters’ chances have taken a hit after their 20-18 loss to Canberra on Sunday night but their win-loss record isn’t terrible at 7-8 and it only takes a few wins in a row with the logjam in the middle of the ladder for a team’s fortunes to change very quickly.

The Crowd Says:

2023-06-28T03:17:27+00:00

andrew

Roar Rookie


Well, now that Flanagan's at the helm I'm confident of the Dragons resurgence. Not expecting immediate results but slowly but surely putting the steel back into the Dragons mushi.

2023-06-27T11:38:09+00:00

Emcie

Roar Guru


At least they’ve secured a reputable head coach to clean up the place. Should be some real improvement in the joint, as long as no one stuffs it up by self reporting

2023-06-27T10:21:16+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


I hope the Dragons stop being the thin red line of what society should exile. Once a great club and now something a war criminal would avoid

2023-06-27T10:19:56+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


Emcie I love how out of all the things of the past what, 5 years, Dragons fans think the most unethical thing is Ben hunt ASKING for a release.

2023-06-27T10:16:35+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


Walters took it from the King

2023-06-27T10:15:50+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


Put on the 15 year old legal studies goggles. Seriously there are intellectually challenged teenagers that I've taught that could beat you in this debate

2023-06-27T10:13:57+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


Yes but you can't contract how he fulfills it,or the media circus. Contracts are the fall back position, if you're enforcing them then everything has gone wrong. If you run a business and are waving the contract, you'd better be in a regulated monopoly. You can't contract away all risk without being omniscient.

2023-06-27T02:51:38+00:00

Brendon Waldron

Roar Pro


At absolutely no point have I said that's the NRL I want, I'm only talking about how things are. And what you've just said is also not the current system, the Broncos or any team couldn't sign those players three weeks out from the finals because they'll be a couple of weeks past the mid season transfer deadline. And when the NRL moves that forward to June 30 like should have done after they only pushed it back in that covid affected year, clubs won't be able to sign any players two months out from the finals, 1/3 of the season. And if clubs have the room, its only because they've sacrificed earlier in the season, that's smart business if they can pull it off, remember they'd still have to make the finals for this late season signings to be of any use...

2023-06-27T02:12:47+00:00

Andrew01

Roar Rookie


I understand how players get paid and how their payment continues irrespective of where they land. I am not questioning any of that. So based on the current system, where a club can pick up a player 3 weeks before the end of the regular season (about 2.5 months before contract year end), Brisbane could wait and with 3 weeks to go in the comp and $300k in the bank, could sign Ben Hunt, Tino and Joey Manu and that is ok? The Broncos (in this example) now have a line up that is worth an extra $2.5million, which they have no intention of keeping at year end. That is the NRL you want?

2023-06-27T01:22:50+00:00

Brendon Waldron

Roar Pro


No, it doesn't work like that, his value has changed, again, he's worth that per year. If he's not at the Broncos all year, he's not worth that amount. The salary cap isn't paid up front at the start of the year, players get paid monthly and it's a constantly evolving thing. As long as the player gets his full monthly wage, for however many months he is at the club, he is getting paid his worth, so even if one club pays the first several months of the year, and another club pays the rest, both clubs get the full value of the player while he is there, and the player gets paid his full contract. That's how it works, and how other clubs have been able to sign high profile players late in the season.

2023-06-26T22:07:49+00:00

Andrew01

Roar Rookie


The player never loses out of course. But players have notional values. The NRL for example won't let Souths sign Wighton for $400k when he is clearly worth $800k and Souths can't sign Wighton for $800k unless they have $800k space in the cap. The Broncos want to add a player with a market value of $900k to their roster and they don't have anywhere close to that sort of room in their cap. If they had signed Hunt at the start of the year for $900K they would be way over the cap. So why can they add him now? His value hasn't changed nor have the Broncos free'd up cap space.

2023-06-26T07:23:19+00:00

Nick

Roar Rookie


Ben Hunt must now accept that contract and play to his pay rate. I'd love to hear you explain how any club enforces that.

2023-06-26T07:19:51+00:00

andrew

Roar Rookie


Griffin should have been sacked last year, I’ve no problem with his sacking. Ben only renewed his contract earlier in the year, he surely would have known then Griffin wasn’t going to last. In saying that, if the Dragons and Ben come to an agreement to move on so be it. I just don’t want him suddenly appearing in a Bronco jersey for only 3 or 4 months. Do you think the Broncos and their supporters give a toss about Saints. If Ben and the Dragons come to a mutual agreement and he leaves his new contract should start from 2024 and not before.

2023-06-26T03:49:29+00:00

Brendon Waldron

Roar Pro


I get what you're saying, but Ben Hunt is on 900k a year, the Broncos don't get him for a year. Nofaluma didn't get his paid his yearly wage twice, once by the Tigers, and then by the Storm to play for two clubs in one year, he started getting paid by one club and finished getting paid by another...

2023-06-26T02:34:08+00:00

souvalis

Roar Rookie


The difference is Parra picks up the entire 3 year contract Joe is leaving behind (possibly with Tiger supplementing) for a bench player, where the Broncos as a mere transit lounge will be paying a couple of hundred thousand for half a season and a significantly increased probability of a premiership. Clearly the Dragons feel they’re being cheated and have rightly refused to bow to his manager. Ben Hunt must now accept that contract and play to his pay rate.

2023-06-26T02:26:35+00:00

matth

Roar Guru


Isn't that how every fan works?

2023-06-26T02:18:18+00:00

matth

Roar Guru


Why is it okay for the Dragons to terminate Hook in the middle of his contract, but then turn around and say Hunt has to honour his? Where is the Dragons' "honour"?

2023-06-26T02:17:09+00:00

matth

Roar Guru


At the same time that you are complaining about this, were you all in on the "Hook must go" wagon, even though he still had a contract? Can't have it both ways.

2023-06-26T02:13:47+00:00

Nick

Roar Rookie


Abdo almost certainly earns a mammoth salary with KPIs stacked around the growth of the game financially. It's unreasonable to expect him to wade into these contract issues, or mid-season transfers etc. That's for his football operations officer to handle.

2023-06-26T01:47:49+00:00

Brendon Waldron

Roar Pro


A contract goes both ways, while it basically boils down to I give you my services, you give me money, it's between the player and the club, it's not just player to the club. So in the case of Ben Hunt or Big Joe O, it doesn't matter who wants out, one party wants to end the contract early, the other party has to agree and if they do, it's all fine, if the player or the club dig their heels in, thats fine too. I know the optics of it aren't great, but the NRL either allows mid season transfers or it doesn't, and as long as its all following the rules that are in place, it can't pick and choose...

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