Round 19 Talking Points: No dead rubber in Origin with all the pressure on Blues, tough luck of the draw for Eels, Bunnies

By Michael Hagan / Expert

There’s no such thing as a dead rubber in State of Origin, well that’s what the two teams will be telling themselves in the lead-up to Wednesday night’s kick-off.

With the series already in the bag for Queensland, the danger for them is not complacency but not quite being at full intensity because they know deep down that they’ll keep the shield no matter what.

There’s much more pressure on NSW and coach Brad Fittler to avoid the embarrassment of a 3-0 whitewash. 

While the Maroons have made two straightforward changes due to injury and suspension with Corey Horsburgh in for Tom Flegler and AJ Brimson slotting in at fullback after Reece Walsh was banned for abusing a ref, the Blues have had a revolving door of selections for Origin III. 

NSW should have more to play for when it comes to motivation, especially on their home turf. 

Bradman Best is a bit of a left-field selection at centre and I’ve watched each Knights game this year and he’s been pretty good but he’s going to have to handle the step up in class that comes when you make the leap from NRL to Origin.

Bradman Best (Photo by Ashley Feder/Getty Images)

Even in a dead rubber, the speed and execution that you need in Origin is a different beast and takes most rookies time to adjust. 

Centre is a tricky position to defend and the Maroons will target his edge – I’d say he’ll have Cody Walker next to him on the left so those two, plus probably Liam Martin and Josh Addo-Carr, will be an all-new combination and they don’t have much time to get in synch.

Queensland have been to Cairns, they’ve had their fan day and I’m sure Alfie Langer would have looked after the social side of proceedings early in the camp.

Billy Slater and Johnathan Thurston will be doing their level best to ensure the players are all switched on because they’ve been part of Maroons teams in the past who could have gone 3-0 but they paid the price for taking the foot off the pedal just a touch.

Rabbitohs, Eels suffer from Origin scheduling

Souths and Parramatta have been the unlucky sides this round, losing games they probably would have won but for Origin taking away several key players. 

The under-strength Rabbitohs lost by four to a Bulldogs team coming off a 66-0 hiding with Damien Cook, Cameron Murray, Keaon Koloamatangi and Cody Walker in Origin camp while Latrell Mitchell, Campbell Graham and Jai Arrow sat out injured. 

They’d put their premiership campaign back on track the previous week with a sold win over the Warriors in Auckland but now they’re back down on the cusp of top eight. 

Parra are in the same boat – no Mitchell Moses, Reagan Campbell-Gillard and Clint Gutherson in the Blues camp and Dylan Brown still sidelined after the NRL banned him until Round 23 for his court case, and the Warriors thumped them at CommBank Stadium. 

Both these losses are by no means a disaster for these teams but they’re an extra hurdle along the way. 

Finishing in the top four is so important and a loss like that could end up proving to be the difference between a second chance in the finals or going straight into a sudden-death scenario.

Souths at least have the bye next week and should have Mitchell, Graham and maybe Arrow back by the time they take on the Broncos the following Friday so they can start building some momentum prior to the playoffs.

Parra’s got a much tougher run having to back up against the Gold Coast next Sunday after Origin before then travelling to North Queensland and Melbourne. 

(Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

These next three weeks could make or break their season heading into their final four games. 

Origin is quite a minefield for club coaches to navigate on top of injuries, suspensions, roster changes and off-field discipline.

You’ve got to feel for Brad Arthur – he let his son Jake go to Manly mid-season because he thought he’d have Moses and Dylan Brown as his halves and the next thing he knows his halfback has been called into the NSW team because Nathan Cleary tore his hamstring and his five-eighth gets stood down after an incident at a pub. 

For Jason Demetriou, not only did he have to go into the game against Canterbury without many of his stars, but their opponents suddenly got better midweek when they signed Toby Sexton from the Titans and that allowed Matt Burton to go back to his best position of five-eighth.

Coaches have to be problem solvers, it’s part of the job, and whatever circumstances get thrown your way, you’ve got to try to get past the rough patches because they don’t last forever. 

(Photo by Matt Blyth/Getty Images)

Warriors’ recruitment top notch

A fair few eyebrows were raised at the end of last year when the Warriors let Reece Walsh, Matt Lodge and Euan Aitken go and apart from Eels forward Marata Niukore, didn’t sign any big names to replace them for rookie coach Andrew Webster’s first year.

But they’ve been spot on with their new additions and that’s helped the existing guys like Shaun Johnson, Addin Fonua-Blake, Dallin Watene-Zelezniak and Tohu Harris play their best footy.

Te Maire Martin and Luke Metcalf have been great when they’ve been alongside Johnson in the halves, Jackson Ford has been a handy addition for their pack, Chanze Nicoll-Klokstad has rediscovered his 2019 Raiders form at fullback and a couple of old hardheads in Mitch Barnett and Dylan Walker have given them some more experience to help their young guys along.

You only need a few things to turn a club’s fortunes around and if your recruitment strategy is right, the pieces of the puzzle can fall into place pretty quickly.

The Crowd Says:

2023-07-11T20:59:37+00:00

matth

Roar Guru


It’s an example to show that nil points for a bye can skew things almost as much as two points. Let’s face it, byes are a pain, but even without rem the draw has been skewed in the past so I guess we wait until the final round

2023-07-11T14:19:56+00:00

DP Schaefer

Roar Rookie


either way, double ups should be done AFTER you have played a full round. Ridiculous that two teams can play each other twice in the same month. Double ups could also be like a prelim for the prelims, using the bye as team 18.eg 1v 18, 2V17, 3V 16 and so on. Rewards teams on their performances, just a thought. Whatever happens, needs to come after everyone and played every other teams once.

2023-07-11T14:15:41+00:00

DP Schaefer

Roar Rookie


Did you mean 'no points for the bye'? I'd say the answer is - we don't know, haven't seem them play. Dragoons had bye first round and they've never been in the top 9 teams.

2023-07-11T04:46:07+00:00

Emcie

Roar Guru


Look both ways before talking to strangers or you'll poke out an eye Yeah, it's a risk. My 7yr old felt the need to explain to me that "rocket surgery" wasn't a real thing, I'm starting to suspect they actually think I need help....

2023-07-11T04:45:42+00:00

Emcie

Roar Guru


Look both ways before talking to strangers or you'll poke out an eye Yeah, it's a risk. My 7yr old felt the need to explain to me that "rocket surgery" wasn't a real thing, I'm starting to suspect they actually think I'm an idiot....

2023-07-11T04:00:41+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


Every dog has a silver lining In high school I had a rugby coach who used to mix sayings like that… with hindsight, not sure if he did it on purpose or not…

2023-07-11T03:43:43+00:00

Emcie

Roar Guru


He's got too many chefs in the broth

2023-07-11T03:41:22+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


If you don’t like been in kitchen don’t become chef

2023-07-11T03:28:45+00:00

Emcie

Roar Guru


This guy...jumping out of the frypan and into the frypan...

2023-07-11T03:25:47+00:00

Big Mig

Roar Rookie


EJ, my point is the dead rubber. Why play it? The NBL has 7 series playoffs, but if a team wins the first 4 no need to play the next 3? Also better have a two game series (like in the women's SOO or in soccer, best for and against over 2 games). Secondly the mid season games disrupts the competition too much, hence my example above that a depleted Souths cant beat a 66-0 bottom dwelling club. Best play Origin at the end of the Season (just like test matches or world cup games).

2023-07-11T03:25:36+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


“You’re just another fan who thinks you know best bla bla” Doesn’t that exactly describe you as well though…? You’re actually embarrassing yourself here

2023-07-11T03:22:56+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


Come on… you remember the old saying . if you cant Handle been in the kitchen get out of the kitchen .. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

2023-07-11T02:35:40+00:00

matth

Roar Guru


Well taken to the extreme, if we have points for the bye: next year Penrith have the bye in Roy d 1. Are they really the 9th best team at that point?

2023-07-10T23:02:07+00:00

Emcie

Roar Guru


Yeah, you're right, the dogs highest try scorer probably wouldn't have had any impact. Tate left in '07, but yeah, bronco's still had players selected obviously, but nowhere near the 11 or so that would be picked when they were a powerhouse. You're definition of struggled may be different to others, but in '20 and '21 when they were genuinely struggling they had 1 guy getting selected. Manly being completely reliant on one injury prone player is an issue regardless of origin. And yet, they've only dropped one spot over origin. No one's saying that being depleted didn't hurt South's, but missing 4 players from one game doesn't cause a team to drop to 8th, winning 2 from 7 games does.

2023-07-10T21:49:51+00:00

Tom G

Roar Rookie


It wasn’t more than a few weeks ago that the Eels beat Manly who were missing DCE and Turbo.. worse still DCE was replaced by a dud half courtesy of the Eels. Now the game is broken because they had to play without Moses, Gutho and RCG?

2023-07-10T20:41:55+00:00

Red Rob

Roar Rookie


No, you’re mistaken. Communities self-police for acceptable behaviour. If you want people to engage with you then act appropriately.

2023-07-10T14:36:49+00:00

DP Schaefer

Roar Rookie


yeah, naa.. I just don't see it. An opportunity is just that, it isn't money in the bank. also an opportunity for a loss.

2023-07-10T13:27:16+00:00

Nakinz 14

Roar Rookie


Right on .. I forgot you an Australian..meaning it’s a waste of time trying to give you different perspective.. oh yes you never wrong just like your views .. oh please .. your argument is so fill with holes ..it’s quite funny thinking how you are soo right .. if you think it’s a brilliant thing ..good for you .. you prob the same fan who thinks bring back the biff and shoulder charge .. It’s your competition it you want to Ruin be my guest .. You’re just another fan who thinks you know best bla bla .. good luck with your self interest views

2023-07-10T13:19:50+00:00

Nakinz 14

Roar Rookie


Your an Australian don’t ever tell me what I should do or what can I say We have a saying ..if you cant Handle been in the kitchen get out of the kitchen .. Maybe you need to grow up .. here an idea attack the argument not the Man .. here an tip for you .. life is short ..

2023-07-10T13:00:21+00:00

matth

Roar Guru


Because at any given time the teams who have had the most byes have had less opportunities to win. So nil for a bye is almost as skewed as 2 for a bye

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