The incredible streak Collingwood must break to claim a Grand Final win

By Cameron Rose / Expert

Many will ask whether Brisbane can stop Collingwood in the Grand Final on Saturday, but given the Lions have beaten the Pies six times in a row, perhaps it should be the other way around?

Four of those Brisbane wins between 2020-23 have been at the Gabba, yes, but two of them have come in Melbourne, in 2021 by a point with Zac Bailey kicking a goal after the siren, and this year by four goals in a high scoring Round 23 affair.

However, those wins were at Marvel Stadium. The last time these two teams clashed at the MCG was in 2017, when Brisbane finished last on the ladder with just five wins, and Collingwood five spots above them. 10 players from the Pies will line-up on Saturday, and seven from the Lions, with Daniel McStay having swapped sides in the meantime but sidelined through injury.

Daniel McStay and Nick Daicos. (Photo by Michael Willson/AFL Photos via Getty Images)

Brisbane have somewhat famously only won one of their last 15 games there, dating back to 2015. Is their MCG hoodoo a real thing? Most likely it is nonsense.

For a start, between 2015-18, they only won 17 games anywhere, so their record at every venue was pathetic. That accounts for the first six of those losses.

They also play teams like Richmond and Melbourne there, who between them have four premierships and eight top four finishes during the time that the Lions have found it hard to win at the ‘G. Even still, they beat the Demons there in a semi-final just last year – if you’re going to break a hoodoo, what better place to do so than a final.

There is very little between the two teams when it comes to kicking goals and defending them. Brisbane ranked second in points for during the home and away rounds, with Collingwood fourth. The Pies had the stouter defence, ranked third to the Lions sixth. Last year, Brisbane was ranked 10th in points conceded. It had long been a glaring weakness, and a key reason why they couldn’t progress beyond the preliminary final stage.

Ultimately though, measuring points for and against, there is only two points a game separating the two teams. They both play an attacking brand of football and will get their chances to score.

The Brisbane key forwards in Joe Daniher and Eric Hipwood have been judged as notoriously fickle in front of goal, while Jamie Elliott and Brody Mihocek have given the impression of being more accurate. Funnily enough, this year at least, Hipwood and Elliott have kicked goals at the same accuracy rate, while Daniher and Mihocek have been better than both.

The Lions do have more avenues to goal if the key players get shut down, which is often the case in a grand final. Tyson Stengle and Isaac Smith kicked four and three respectively for the Cats last year. It was Dustin Martin with four, rather than Riewoldt or Lynch, that won Richmond the 2020 grand final. Jack Graham kicked three for the Tigers in 2017 against Adelaide, and Liam Picken three for the Dogs in 2016.

Conor McKenna celebrates a goal. (Photo by Russell Freeman/AFL Photos via Getty Images)

Keep an eye out for the likes of Hugh McCluggage, Jarrod Berry, Josh Daicos and Will Hoskin-Elliott to pop up. We saw Jasper Fletcher pop up with three for the Lions in the qualifying final against Port.

Sometimes a winning run going into a big final can be a disadvantage, and it’s not uncommon for the result from the previous meeting to be reversed. In the last two grand finals, Geelong and Melbourne beat Sydney and the Western Bulldogs respectively, despite having lost to them in their previous home and away encounter.

The winning team thinks they can just repeat what they did the first time, and it will be enough. Whereas the losing team knows they have to either change or refine things, or apply more focus to certain areas. A modification here, a fix there, a positional adjustment perhaps. All of a sudden, the dynamics change.

Grand finals should always be tough affairs, but this promises to be the most open one we have seen for a while. Both sides never shy away from taking the ball through the corridor if half an opportunity presents, and the team that executes their daring ball movement the best will control the momentum of the game.

Brisbane have been knocking on the door for a while now, with their fifth finals series in a row. They know how hard it is to even get to the grand final stage, let alone win it. Will that hunger be enough? It might just be.

Brisbane will be my tip, with the half backs Conor McKenna or Keidean Coleman to take out the Norm Smith after setting up scoring opportunities via their kicking and dash.

The Crowd Says:

2023-09-28T06:43:58+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Lipinski sub

2023-09-27T12:47:12+00:00

Jimmy Woods

Roar Rookie


Agree Kevo, take a look at our 03 team vs the Lions All Stars. I’m baffled how we even made it. This is a much stronger and experienced Pies line up that plays team footy. Cloke in 02 was a massive out and so was Rocca in 03. We will miss McStay & Adams but Frampton is a very good replacement and I’m sticking with Lipinski. The only change I think about is Noble for Ginnivan and that’s consistency with Johnny over spark from Jack.

2023-09-27T09:34:08+00:00

Kevo

Roar Rookie


That's not my take. I think there's a realistic perspective Lions are peaking as a high quality team and will be hard to beat. But also Pies best is definitely good enough to win it, and can play hard tough brilliant football. 2002 and 2003 we had much less a chance. Despite winning qualifying against Lions in 03 they clearly had a better team and Pies no Rocca, a huge loss. Jason Cloke was a significant loss in 02, he had been a key pillar in defence and would have been more than handy, particularly in the damp conditions which probably helped the Pies on the day.

2023-09-27T04:49:09+00:00

Abbotsford

Roar Rookie


In my opinion of the 15 Grand Finals that Collingwood have competed in since 1958, this one seems to be the one that our fans have the lowest level of self-belief and confidence. Nobody in our camp has any level of optimism and there's genuine feeling that the opposition are far superior than us in terms of playing personnel. I only hope we can pull off a real miracle and take out the pennant. Go Maggies.

2023-09-27T02:37:43+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Thanks PJ. Should be an epic battle

2023-09-27T02:02:50+00:00

Jimmy Woods

Roar Rookie


Pies have more gears. We win this one.

2023-09-27T01:40:09+00:00

PriddisJunior

Roar Rookie


It's not just pies fan money. It's where they're playing as well. I don't think Brisbane's defence is as well suited to stop Collingwood's style as what GWS was. So it'll come down to the midfield battle. Hopefully the Lions are too strong in there :silly: . Enjoy the week Peter.

2023-09-27T00:15:59+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Lions should be favourites. It’s only the sheer volume of Pies fan money that gives them shorter odds. Both sides can score in waves. It’s who capitalises in that wave of momentum. The Pies, against GWS, could have blown them away in that third quarter. They were close but GWS defence was excellent. If the Pies get a big momentum period, kick straight, with the crowd behind them, they might have enough buffer. On paper, the Lions are better, beautifully balanced and with a ridiculously talented and dangerous forward line. The Pies defence is excellent though. Howe, unless we are behind, I expect to stay back. Backline with Moore, Murphy, Howe, Quaynor, Maynard, Crisp/ N Daicos rotating, IMO is the best backline in the competition. Head says Lions too good, heart clearly Pies by 1 point.

2023-09-26T21:58:01+00:00

Mr Right

Roar Rookie


I am really looking forward to this game. I hope the weather behaves itself, there is a close result & the game is free of umpiring controversy. The Lions by 7 & Charlie Cameron for the Norm Smith medal. Football will be big winner on the day after a great season.

2023-09-26T21:31:46+00:00

Nothing to see here

Roar Rookie


The faithful might even say that they were missing 4 in the last match up, so they would have won had they been available. I guess history will be the judge on that around 5pm this Saturday. Lions by 11

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