SPIRO ZAVOS: The moment I knew Irish curse would continue, and why Southern giants still rule the Cup

By Spiro Zavos / Expert

Ireland were not literally or even metaphorically hung or drawn by the New Zealand at Stade de France. But they were quartered, as in being booted out of the tournament by a brilliant All Blacks team 28-24.

An enduring sequence of quarter-final failures at RWC tournaments has now become The Curse for Ireland.

Tim Horan made the point that quarter-finals are the most important round of the RWC because success ensures the winning teams access to the last two weeks of play, with semi-finals and a third-place playoff possibilities, and the final for the last two teams standing.

The Stade de France result, in a RWC tournament Ireland expected to win, a prediction supported by virtually the heavyweight rugby pundits, is now the eighth lost RWC quarter-final the men in green have experienced from eight attempts.

To add to this misery, the last time Ireland even led its opponents in a RWC quarter-final was back in 1995.

Ireland is the only one of the other so-called Home Unions (Wales, Scotland, England) that has never progressed to a RWC semi-final.

Compare this record with England’s.

In this RWC 2023, a lacklustre England side, with a newish coach Steve Borthwick, who replaced Eddie Jones, defeated Fiji at Marseilles 30-24, in its quarter-final match. It now faces South Africa in the semi-finals.

This is the sixth RWC quarter-final match England has won, out of the nine they have played.

England, also, are the only Northern Hemisphere team that has won the Webb Ellis trophy with their famous triumph in RWC 2003.

There are various reasons presumably why Ireland have been defeated in all its RWC quarter-final matches. We cannot canvas them all here. But I think I can pinpoint the reason why The Curse struck this time.

Peter O’Mahony of Ireland looks dejected following the team’s defeat during the Rugby World Cup France 2023 Quarter Final match between Ireland and New Zealand at Stade de France on October 14, 2023 in Paris, France. (Photo by Warren Little/Getty Images)

Just follow me with this because it is slightly complicated.

The draw for RWC 2023 was correctly described by rugby pundits as ‘bizarre.’

The top four teams in the world, Ireland, South Africa, France and New Zealand, were loaded into the same half of the draw, in Pool A and Pool B.

In the pool rounds Ireland played South Africa and France played New Zealand.

The losers of these Big Four pool round matches played the winner in their respective quarter-finals.

The way this draw worked out meant that in the quarter-finals, Ireland, a winner of their pool round match against South Africa, played New Zealand, a loser in their quarter-final against France: with France playing South Africa in their quarter final.

This, in turn, meant that two of the four teams that had a good chance of winning the RWC 2023 tournament would be eliminated in the quarter-finals.

In effect, the quarter-finals for this 2023 RWC tournament became the semi-finals.

Now, here is the interesting part. Both of the defeated pool round teams, New Zealand and South Africa, defeated their undefeated pool round opponents, Ireland and France.

My take from all of this is that behind Ireland’s loss to the All Blacks was the hard-fought, energy-sapping and the excessive physical and mental effort the men in green invested in their pool round victory over the Springboks.

In that match Ireland played all its cards – its retaining-the-ball tactics, its energy, its will-to-win, its muscular defence and its emotional capital – to defeat the Springboks 13-8.

In terms of the way RWC tournaments work, a team can lose a pool round and still win the tournament. The Springboks did this in RWC 2019. And with its victory over France is in the hunt to repeat its triumph of four years ago.

By playing all its cards in its pool round match against the Springboks, Ireland, in my opinion, won the poker hand pool round. But this win set the team up for losing a big cash out of a quarter-final win. It was, as the ancients would put it, a pyrrhic victory for the ages.

The Ireland that played the All Blacks at Stade de France in the knock-out quarter-final did not have the same flair and hardness, both mental and physical, as the All Blacks. They were a team that seemed to play by numbers more than passion. They were rote rather than inventive in adapting to the circumstances unfolding during the game.

Ireland never played the ball wide in the match even though the All Blacks were operating a tight defensive line. Johnny Sexton did not try even one of his trademark and deadly effective loop plays. The team was off- the-pace both on attack and defence. Where were the killer plays they have routinely pulled off in Tests over the last four years?

Stephen Jones, never one to praise the All Blacks, explained Ireland’s problems in trying to win the match this way: ‘Ireland probably had the majority of possession, and they let nobody down, but on the day they seemed to be up against a team who were tactically and probably technically superior, and Johnny Sexton at fly-half simply could not conjure up a winning score as the game went on and on.’

I believe that while the All Blacks did not throw their match against France, they did not, as Ireland did against the Springboks, throw/reveal their full arsenal of attacking and defensive plays and expend all their physical and mental energy against up pumped-up France in the RWC 2023 opening match.

Pieter-Steph Du Toit and Handre Pollard of South Africa celebrate Quarter Final victory over France. (Photo by Hannah Peters/Getty Images)

In other words, they weren’t greatly worried if they lost.

They anticipated that Ireland would defeat the Springboks. This meant the All Blacks would have to play Ireland in the quarter-final, rather than the Springboks. My hunch is that the All Blacks coaching staff were more comfortable playing Ireland than they were about countering the Springboks early in the finals.

In the back of the mind of the All Blacks coaching staff (and please remember I am surmising this) was the thought that Ireland’s two successive wins against New Zealand in 2022 were helped significantly by yellow cards that were dished out against the All Blacks.

In fact, in a media conference after the All Blacks victory over Ireland at Stade de France, coach Ian Foster talked about the two yellow cards dished out to his players by referee Wayne Barnes (the referee for the third New Zealand – Ireland Test in 2022) and how Ireland seemed to magically conjure yellow cards against their opponents from willing referees.

And on the All Blacks coaching staff was Joe Schmidt, the former Ireland coach who started that team on its road from a middle tier rugby nation to a world power.

It was under Schmidt that Sexton became a world class number 10. Schmidt, presumably, gave the All Blacks inside knowledge of the attacking plays Sexton liked to use. And, more importantly, how to counter these plays.

Schmidt’s game plan for Ireland, too, when he coached them remained essentially Farrell’s game plan, There was a slight difference in that Farrell, a former rugby league hardman, has given a toughness and abrasive quality to Ireland’s defence.

To put all of this theorising into some match play context, it is curious that against France the All Blacks invariably kicked long and played Beauden Barrett often as the first playmaker.

In my comments after this match, I argued that the All Blacks could not win the RWC tournament or indeed even get out of the quarter-finals if this pattern of using Barrett was continued.

Against Ireland, interestingly, there was an entirely different strategy. Aaron Smith and Richie Mo’unga kicked short-high balls for their forwards to regather, and Beauden Barrett and Mo’unga kicked lobs over the top of the Irish defenders for themselves to grab and carry on the attack.

Ardie Savea of New Zealand celebrates scoring his team’s second try during the Rugby World Cup France 2023 Quarter Final match between Ireland and New Zealand at Stade de France on October 14, 2023 in Paris, France. (Photo by Hannah Peters/Getty Images)

Beauden Barrett was kept out of the first receiver role and Mo’unga was given the major responsibility for calling the plays. Mo’unga had the role of playmaker and Barrett the role of an attacking third winger-fullback.

Before the tournament started the South African rugby greats, Jean de Villiers and Victor Matfield, predicted that France would play the Springboks and the All Blacks would play Ireland in the quarter-finals. Did they reveal a master plan from the Springboks camp?

Anyway, as President Joe Biden famously said about a different situation, ‘Son of a gun, what do you think happened?’

For the record, the All Blacks loss to France was their first ever RWC pool round loss. It was noticeable that the All Blacks coaching staff seemed to accept the loss with calmness rather than any sense of panic.

As for RWC quarter-finals, the All Blacks record is now nine matches and eight wins. The one loss was in RWC 2007 when France pulled off an upset victory at Cardiff 20 -18.

And here we come to another part of the puzzle of the All Blacks remarkable revival of form against Ireland.

The referee for that Cardiff match was a callow newcomer, Wayne Barnes.

A report of the match by Pro Sport noted that the All Blacks were ‘hammered in the penalty count by a young English referee, Wayne Barnes.’

I reported in The Roar about this upset loss by the All Blacks that ‘remarkably, Wayne Barnes, did not give the All Blacks a single penalty in the final 60 minutes of play,’ even though they were camped inside the French 22 for most of that time hammering away at the try line.

I pointed out, too, that ‘Barnes and his assistant referee, Jonathan Kaplan, who was metres away from the incident, missed an obvious forward pass in the build-up to France’s second try, the match-winner.’

That loss remains deeply entrenched in the New Zealand psyche. Many New Zealanders have never forgiven Wayne Barnes for his refereeing on that day.

Referee Wayne Barnes. (Photo by Paul Harding/Getty Images)

But, and this is the important point, the All Blacks have moved on from RWC 2007. They acknowledge – rightly – that Barnes is now one of the best referees in world rugby. He knows the names of the rugby players, he speaks French to the French players, he is accurate with his decisions and is not afraid to make tough calls.

The All Blacks showed this respect early in the quarter-final when the Man of the Match, Ardie Savea, was penalised by Barnes for a mistake in the ruck.

Savea looked up at Barnes as he clamoured to his feet, got an explanation from Barnes, nodded his head in agreement and got back into position for the next play. Savea then went on to make several crucial turn-overs that passed the Barnes scrutiny.

At scrum time, too, Barnes correctly ruled against the Ireland front row’s boring in and wheeling the scrum tactics, decisions that gave the All Blacks some early and welcome penalties.

He was just as accurate and tough, though, on the All Blacks giving them two yellow cards, one for collapsing a maul on their try-line and another to Aaron Smith for sticking out an arm that prevented an Ireland pass going to hand during an attacking movement. This second yellow card seemed a bit harsh but was seemingly imposed on Barnes by the TMO.

Minutes into full time, after Ireland had launched the most determined attack in RWC history with 37 phases to enforce a winning try, Barnes, with great integrity given the feverish Irish supporters cheering on their side’s onslaught, awarded a turnover penalty to Sam Whitelock.

The decision meant that the All Blacks only had to kick the ball into touch legally, that is with an initial tap, and the match was over.

Barnes’ refereeing performance, in fact, prompted the former England player Nic Easter to praise Barnes this way: ‘Wayne Barnes doesn’t miss a thing. He has been able to spot things that other referees might overlook, His performance played a crucial role in an incredible game.’

The reaction to decisions made by Barnes from some of Ireland’s supporters at the Stade de France and on social media, in the context of what a superb display of the refereeing craft he gave, was disgraceful.

It was matched, unfortunately, by Sexton’s verballing of Barnes throughout the match. The contrast between this behaviour by Sexton and Savea’s spoke a lot about the mental strength of the two players.

Even when Barnes explained correctly, on one occasion, that Bundee Aki’s head had not been hit or even touched by an All Black player, Sexton continued to badger him to give a penalty to Ireland. It was as if Sexton was blaming the referee for the way the match was turning against Ireland.

I always think that when players start blaming the referee for their own poor play they are well on the road to a defeat.

It seemed to me, too, as if the Irish feverish fervour for a quarter-final victory was so intense for some of the team’s players and supporters that the normal good grace of the Ireland team and its supporters was put on hold for the game.

It was disappointing, for instance, for anyone who has a regard for the traditions of rugby that the crowd, Ireland supporters in their tens of thousands, deliberately drowned out the chanting of the All Blacks haka, a rugby ritual that goes back to the Wales – New Zealand first Test at Cardiff Arms Park in 1905.

Irish crowds are famous for their respect for opposition sides, even to imposing a cone of silence around the ground when there are kicks at goal.

So it was out of character that their enthusiasm for their side at the Stade de France saw them show such disrespect for Ireland’s opponents on the day.

Where Ireland go next in the world rankings and as a major rugby power is an intriguing question.

Coach Andy Farrell concedes that the great team he brought to this RWC tournament no longer exists.

Can he construct another great Ireland side in the next four years?

Will the small number of fully professional rugby players available for selection, about 160 of them, create a large enough pool of talent capable of continuing to win major tournaments?

We are told that the Ireland system of a handful of elite clubs, clear pathways for young players to learn how to play effective rugby through academies, a strong school competition should ensure strong numbers coming into the professional game.

There is also a great tradition of playing rugby in Dublin in the great Public Schools that goes back at least to pre-1914 days when James Joyce, of all people, wrote about the game in ‘A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man,’ admittedly expressing his character’s reluctance to get out of bed on chilly mornings to go to their rugby practice.

The future, it seems to me, still remains with the traditional rugby powers of South Africa and New Zealand with their deep rugby culture, their history of success, the extensive pool of their players, their coaching excellence and their long pathways for players of ability to come through to their national teams.

The diversity of New Zealand rugby, with Maori players and increasingly Islander players being involved in national teams and in leadership positions, has always been its greatest strength.

South African rugby is flourishing, too, in terms of competitions won since the game and leadership positions were opened up to all races in the Republic.

Rieko Ioane reacts to Ireland fans. (Photo by Getty Images)

This future of South African and New Zealand hegemony, of course, will always be challenged by other nations, like France, Australia, Argentina, England, Wales and Ireland, if that team can ever beat The Curse of the RWC quarter-final.

The hard fact is that all these teams (with the exception of the Wallabies) between them have won only one Webb Ellis trophy since Rugby World Cup tournaments started in 1987.

Three of the four winners of last weekend’s quarter-finals, after all, New Zealand, South Africa and Argentina, are the dreaded (by the North anyway) Southern Hemisphere part of the rugby power zone.

At the beginning of the RWC 2023 tournament several British rugby writers fearlessly predicted that the semi-finals could include, for the first time, all Northern Hemisphere teams.

This brings me to my punch line to sum up RWC 2023 results so far in the tournament, a joke that is doing the rounds of rugby tragics:

‘Rugby is a simple game. 30 men chase a ball for 80 minutes, and at the end, a Southern Hemisphere team wins the World Cup.’

Boom, boom.

The Crowd Says:

2023-10-23T01:08:01+00:00

Faux Mo

Roar Rookie


The All Blacks have lost more matches under Barnes than all other present referees combined. Yet the Kiwis always treat him with respect. The disrespectful performances by the English and Irish were abominable and I thought that the officials could have been much harder on the "Born to rule" Englishmen especially. I would have given the whingers serial yellow cards to quieten them down. Isn't it time that we enforced the rule that says only the captain can speak to the referee? I read somewhere a claim that the English may have invented whingeing but that the Celts had perfected it. Dupont, like many French, clearly has Celtic lineage. In Australia, the first rule of rugby is to respect the referee and always call him Sir. Coincidentally even Rassie has learned the Kiwi lesson and now shows respect for officials; at least publicly. Thanks for the James Joyce reference I have relayed it around the world. I was twelve when I read it, at the behest of my Welsh schoolmaster, and had forgotten all about it.

2023-10-22T15:38:07+00:00

GrahamVF

Roar Rookie


Faith wait until you see what's coming out of our monster forward factory in the next two years. You think Etzebeth is big? We've got an up and coming lock who is four inches taller than him. And that's not all. South Africa does not put a lot of store on U20 as a feeder. You need to look at the Varsity Cup and the youngsters who didn't get selected for the national U20 side which is viewed more as an opportunity for fringe players and has a very strict quota policy. Once the money kicks in that all goes out of the window. I think the golden generation of the Springboks is just beginning.

2023-10-22T11:09:53+00:00

In From The Side

Roar Rookie


What a sook

2023-10-21T21:51:00+00:00

Old Bugger

Roar Rookie


No I didn't - my issues have always been, the influence of the TMO on matches and, the subsequent variables between resolving, those yellow to red card calls. To be honest, they've been a dog's breakfast that needed WR's intervention in not just the issuing of cards but, providing the reasoning and justification why cards were promoted or not promoted, from yellow to red.

2023-10-21T21:45:35+00:00

Old Bugger

Roar Rookie


I have never said U-20s rugby isn't important - I just don't see a need to keep doubling down on it, like you. The proof of success for any U-20s campaign, is to see how the senior team performs, when those youngsters graduate to higher honours. And fair enough for Portugal but, get them a tour through the Pacific to play Samoa, Tonga, Cook Islands and Fiji in the space of 6weeks, then we can make a serious observation on how far Portugal, have progressed. Better still, arrange for the 4 Pacific Island teams to tour Portugal, over 6 weeks.....

2023-10-21T17:03:56+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


You'll be glad to hear SANZAAR felt the same way about the u20 but they seem to have come around to my thinking. I am fairly sure the 2015 NZ team as great full for all those winning NZ teams for 4-5 years from 2008. Why do you think u20s isn't important. Portugal show what their u20s teams of 2018 and 2019 could do.

2023-10-21T16:41:56+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


I guess you had no issues with the French yellow v Uruguay or the original farrel citing hearing rulling as made by officials. Or any of the “unfair” cards all those ABs got over the last two years.

2023-10-21T16:38:53+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


It's sport, no need for culture. Do you think riverdance should be performed by the Irish team. Or is it only some culture that's ok. As I have said elsewhere soccer and cricket don't do the haka and only 4-5 nations out of over 100 do it in rugby. Either everyone or no one does it. Ireland are only allowed to do their two anthems at home which is as much about Irish culture as the Haka is of NZ. Just let them do it home and before the anthems.

2023-10-21T12:53:36+00:00

AgainAgain

Roar Rookie


Yes FB, that is equally disrespectful of kiwis on their OE doing that. I also don’t disagree with you with elements of the commercialisation and that some have become arrogant in the respect they have been given.. ours is better than yours, as you say. Unfortunately, ours is not a perfect world. But I do appreciate Māori culture and what it has given me personally. I have no wish to shove it down anyone else’s throat.

2023-10-21T12:46:48+00:00

AgainAgain

Roar Rookie


Your lack of appreciation of Māori culture, I can understand, but you simply have no idea and your comments with regards to it border on obnoxious and culturally insensitive. You clearly don’t like it and it gives you a platform to demean something which every NZer is proud of. Many people from around the world do appreciate and enjoy it, but I am not convinced it should be performed in front of crowds where it is not appreciated and respected as we do. You are not alone in making disparaging ignorant comments with regards to NZ’s cultural roots. I have heard worse from some of my countrymen and women, which is far worse. For example, when my parents went to school, if someone spoke Māori they got caned for it. When the police beat Māori protestors in New Plymouth in the 70’s, my own mother whom I love very much and grew up in the area, is ignorant of it. Today my sister is principle of a small school in Taranaki and teaches the students the history of the area and led them in Māori prayer after the Mosque killings in Christchurch. The fact we celebrate Māori language with Māori language week show how far we have come. I have a very important friend who recently died in an accident and an extremely humble, funny and giving person rebuilt the local Marae which now holds festivals and events celebrating Māori. You speak of the Māori wars in earlier posts, but show no knowledge of the journey to becoming united, so in your ignorance you seem to think that Māori culture is somehow separate from white NZ. You are mistaken. We have come a long way and still have a ways to go, but comments such as you make, do not add anything useful, except to demonstrate how little some people who want to share their opinions truly know or understand. I know next to nothing about European history and culture or what is important and sacrosanct to people who live there, but I don’t come here and share my opinion on it. I hope that by me sharing this, you might be a little more understanding and careful when discussing cultural elements of countries you clearly have no understanding of.

2023-10-21T04:50:46+00:00

cinque

Roar Rookie


"at the end, NZ or SA wins the World Cup."

2023-10-21T03:53:47+00:00

Muglair

Roar Rookie


I don't think he played badly anyway, just couldn't lift his team to another victory. His usual role, so I guess he was not at his best. A remarkable career in that he became more influential as his career passed the normally accepted milestones. Ireland has been an enjoyable team to watch.

2023-10-21T03:47:31+00:00

NotKev

Roar Rookie


agree. 25 different clubs providing IP to Boks on top of Rassie and Jacque spending time North says loads ... plus Rassie is on recrod saying his Ireland time he believes gave him the roundedness to be a better coach than he was when he left for NH .... NZ and esp Au could take a leaf from all this ... Au to get rid of Gits Law asap in my book and they would do better for it....

2023-10-21T01:48:08+00:00

piru

Roar Rookie


Tell you what, when Ireland win a final they can do whatever they want. Till then it's just sour grapes

2023-10-21T01:34:11+00:00

Old Bugger

Roar Rookie


You don't get it do you Brendan.....if the TMO and ref say there's nothing to see then I suggest, you turn up the volume on your hearing aids so that you will, hear that call. Officials aren't susceptible to shouting out their considerations because you failed, to hear them earlier.

2023-10-21T01:30:09+00:00

Old Bugger

Roar Rookie


Ah Atlas - be prepared for BNHF's double down on future Euro U-20s players coming through. It's his favourite subject so, he'll no doubt be chompin' at the bit, to let us all know.

2023-10-21T01:27:13+00:00

Old Bugger

Roar Rookie


Aha BNHF....now we know what your struggling with.....you can't break out of your little bubble and your fingers, just aren't being listened to.... oooh diddums!!

2023-10-21T01:06:52+00:00

Old Bugger

Roar Rookie


Did you watch this morning's SF game BNHF??? Did you see the haka performance??? What did you think???

2023-10-21T00:43:54+00:00

1987

Roar Rookie


Who claimed they were favourites ? Having the talent to win has no bearing on how much you loose by if you loose. You can have all the talent in the world going into a World Cup, be badly coached, select players out of position, not turn up mentally & get belted. Which happened to NZ in those tournaments until they worked out how to play tournament rugby.

2023-10-21T00:22:26+00:00

jimmy jones

Roar Rookie


The singing is the response to the challenge.. petty for ioane to carry on afters

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